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Tua, Man!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Tuaman*
    Tua Man
    Tua, Man!




    *For those who aren't aware, when Eisen says, "It's is full name", what he is referring to is that 'Tuaman' is short for his full name - Tuanigamanuolepola. (And you thought Tagovailoa was a mouthful!).
     
  2. firedan

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    Man oh man,that Tuaman!
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I would love, at the end of the season, a complete anti-Tua montage from all of these so called "experts" who were critical of Tagovailoa getting the start.

    I've only heard ONE apologize and admit he was wrong.
     
  5. firedan

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    Now there is two.I didn't really hate the pick but I thought Justin Herbert looked the part and Tua looked a little small for an NFL QB.
     
  6. Galant

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  7. Finatik

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    Its nice to have such a thoughtful guy.
     
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  8. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I was 1000 percent drafting Tua, however I wasn't sure if it was the correct time to insert Tua. I liked how Fitzpatrick was running the offense.

    I admit now that the correct call was to start Tua.
     
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  9. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree- I was nervous about benching Fitz as well. I almost feel like a traitor to him since my opinion changed so quickly, LOL.
     
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  10. mlb1399

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    Have you publicly apologized for all the times you’ve been wrong on these forums?

    We voice opinions, not facts. We’re all wrong at different times. So far it looks like I was wrong on Tua. Herbert still looks like the better prospect but I don’t care if Tua can be a good franchise QB and leader.
     
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  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I formally apologize for all the times I've been wrong on this forum. The only problem is that I can't remember any of them because I'm always right. But just in case I was somehow wrong or more likely, you misunderstood why I was 100% right, then I'm really sorry.

    Feel free to copy/paste my statement as needed- a few of you should make it your signature, LOL. It's very easy to remember being right and it's also extremely easy to forget about being wrong.
     
  12. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    No I have not...nor am I being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for my opinion either...so I have no reason to apologize.
     
  13. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, apparently I like to misread your posts. Thought the comments were directed at posters here
     
  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    No that post was directed at those idiots sportswriters and analysts, not anyone here
     
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  15. AGuyNamedAlex

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    While I'm sure some do get paid these numbers, I think you might be overestimating what the average sports reporter makes.
     
  16. Sceeto

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    What was very impressive about Tua in the game was when, I believe it was his first or second pass and you could see how he clearly went though his progressions. He looked at his first read, then scanned right to his second read, then looked left and hit his third read for a completion. That was one of his strengths in college and he did it great on that play. Impressive.
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is not only looking left. It is setting is feet with his first read, setting his shoulders with the second read, zipping super fast to the third read and then letting it rip not giving time for extra defender to go towards the ball so that the window is there. He is so polished.
     
  18. Galant

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  19. The_Dark_Knight

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    Maybe...but then again, my name isn't Skip Bayless, Max Kellerman or any of these other high profiled analysts who are on TV 5-6 days a week
     
  20. KeyFin

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    I wasn't directing what I said at you either....we all do that here and it's pretty funny in my opinion.
     
  21. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Oh yeah those guys make the money. I meant the less famous ones mainly.
     
  22. mlb1399

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    I thought your post was hilarious.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    I was strongly in Favor Of Fitz Staying the starter until there were signs that the team want trending downwards..

    For me this has nothing to do with Tua.Hes gonna be great and most of us were all about his train..

    My opinion hasn’t changed persay because Tua is always gonna be Tua.
     
  24. cbrad

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    Arguments could be made both ways, but Flores was right.

    First, you want to know what you have in Tua before next year's draft — the last one on the horizon where we have a ton of picks early — and second, you want to trend upwards, not just not trend downwards. Fitz has a long history of leading teams to average or below average records, and that's just not good enough at some point (out of 12 seasons where he started 6+ games only ONCE did he lead the team to a winning record!).

    We'd be 4-4 with Fitz right now and projected to go ~8-8 instead of being a serious contender for a playoff spot with Tua.
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    This Fitzpatrick argument is crazy to me. He has done the same thing multiple times. He is the embodiment of the saying, "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it."

    He wasn't even playing all that well. Not even close to his best as he was with the Bucs before he Fitztragic'd his job away.
     
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  26. Galant

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    That 5 TD and 0 INT is partly due to a lot of good luck though lol. Doesn't matter, Tua is generally accurate and a fast decision maker. Today showed he still has some ways to go but this is a great QB in the making.
     
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  29. Ronnie Bass

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    You know, if he doesn't get that hip injury, I doubt he's there for us at #5.
     
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  30. Galant

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    Understood, but unless someone wants to make a stat that tracks good luck vs. bad luck throws it's irrelevant since who knows how many results are subject to 'good luck'.

    Maybe Tua's passes were lucky, maybe they were just that much better, maybe the defenses were worse, maybe he paid off the defenders with Pokemon cards. It is what it is.
     
  31. KeyFin

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    If he doesn't injure that hip, he would have gone #1 overall and I don't think Burrow would have slid to 5. So yeah, without the hip injury, maybe we had to move up or maybe we ended up with Herbert....it changes everything.
     
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  32. KeyFin

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    Sadly, I can totally see Tua trying to pay off defenders with Pokemon cards.
     
  33. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I disagree with this a lot.

    The most important part of evaluating a young QB is his decision making ability. Just because a play turns out okay doesnt mean it was the right decision or you want him making that throw again.

    Hes been a LOT better than I anticipated but we also shouldnt just pretend like hes been perfect. Hes had one forgettable game, one great one with a couple sloppy plays against Arizona and one average one this week. We've been outscored offensively in 2 of his 3 starts and had a lot of luck last week.

    Luck isnt sustainable which is why we talk about it.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    don't agree with that statement. He had some luck, however the pass to the linebacker, while not the smartest throw is one I have seen good quarterbacks make. Sometimes it works, but it is not an easy interception to make.
     
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  35. Galant

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    I wasn't trying to ignore his flaws. He has made some silly throws so far and gotten away with them. My point in that single post was simply to defend the Tweet and stat that said he was 5-0. Whatever relevance that may or may not have it is always a tricky endeavour to qualify stats unless you can do so clearly, particularly when making comparisons too. What does it mean to go 5-0? Five close call touchdowns, five unstoppable touchdowns, five tight-window throws, five long runs by a WR? We don't know. We can't. Same thing with 0 ints. How many near misses? How many great throws? How many incompletions? In the end we can only make a simple statement that for better or worse, that's the stat.

    I wasn't trying to evaluate Tua just sharing a stat which stands as it is.
     
  36. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I respect your opinion but to me that is just a no-no 100% of the time. What you want to do on throws like that is arc it over the LB and under the safety or whoever has the deeper coverage.

    That particular throw was a lot of luck, the LB just happened to not close his hands. I have no idea why he had them so wide to begin with, which I guess is why he doesnt play WR LOL

    There is a difference between his throw and the throw you're trying to make in that scenario. It was much, much too flat and at least half the time will be a deflection at minimum.
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He doesn't have them close together because he didn't know the ball was going to be thrown. He had to react to real time that the ball was being thrown his way.

    While a dangerous through, it takes a LOT of quick reflexes to make that interception. In fact, the linebacker made a mistake by going for the interception and not the deflection.

    People are making that interception seem WAY easier than it actually is.
     
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  38. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I don't think I said it was easy personally, I'm just saying it's not a throw you want to be making, and if I'm grading the decision it's not one I want to see again. Like I said at least half the time that is a deflection and deflections over the middle are a recipe for interceptions even if he doesnt catch it. His hands reacted slowly, he saw the ball in plenty of time. If he was a WR, corner, safety, ect on our team youd (you royally as a whole, not you personally) be angry he missed that ball if it was a throw like that.

    You never justify throwing a ball straight between a defenders hands IMO.

    Like I said I'm happier with him than I anticipated overall. I'm not trying to pile on him.
     
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    Trying to get this video to work. I'm sorry but I cant justify this throw at all. That's an easy pick, I will say it now.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    While I do not think it is the smartest throw, I just don't think it is that big of a deal.
     
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