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Ugh! Burrow going to be a stud!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    True, but you're only using Peyton Manning as your arguing point. Peyton Manning...Generational talent, once in a lifetime type of player. They don't grow on trees. Manning would have made Cam Cameron look like a genius. So in the case of Peyton Manning, you're right...IT IS the QB, but that's just one case.
    Based off of what I have seen, most great QB's have a sustainable amount of time with a head coach. In other words, a lot of the times they are joined at the hip. McNabb-Reid, Favre-Holmgren, Marino-Shula, Rodgers-McCarthy, Brady-Belicheck, Wilson-Carroll. These guys spend over a decade of time together. I think there is truly a fine line between QB success and HC success. They basically go hand in hand in my opinion. Eventually one or the other does leave, but the all time greats usually have spent a lengthy amount of time with just one head coach. Peyton Manning is the exception, Steve Young had a few different coaches, Troy Aikman had two. Point being that a team doesn't function well and have any type of success unless both the head coach and Quarterbacks are doing their jobs. They work in unison a lot more than people would think in the NFL. Hell...Look at Phillip Rivers and his best years as a player (07-12). Norv Turner was his coach back then. I don't think you can underestimate the importance of having sustainability between QB and head coach. Hopefully Tua and Flores stay together for the next 8-10 years. I have my doubts.
     
  2. cbrad

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    You're missing the entire context of the argument. Go back to post #5 where TDK says this:

    "It truly astounds me some of the logic, or illogic I read on these boards. Does anyone here really truly believe that if the Dolphins got Mahomes or Watson with Gase as our head coach that we would have been a good team?"

    THAT is the context. TDK is actually arguing that even with a generational talent, whether it's Mahomes or Manning, it's completely absurd to think like you do, that they would have made an average or even below average coach look good.

    So this entire argument is precisely about generational talents. Rest of your post I agree with.
     
  3. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I hope so man!
     
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  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Yea coach and offensive line is garbage and he still looked good
    I don't think Fitz would be starting if we got Burrow!
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If they were able to get Burrow that means they went 1-15 last season and Fitzpatrick totally sucked ***.

    Totally different situation happened.
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Absolutely not and to suggest that I do is ludicrous. Two of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game had completely different skills sets. One was a quarterback who passed the ball with dead shot accuracy, racking up miles and miles of yardage, touchdowns etc. The other was an incredible field general who was a master of reading the defense, exploited opportunities, took what the defense gave him and his offense, won 2 Super Bowls and established a dynasty.

    Of course I'm talking about Dan Marino and Joe Montana. So would Joe Montana just be considered an average quarterback who's performance was merely the result of his surroundings? I don't think you'll find anyone who will say that who actually WATCHED the games but in your dead set, statistics only based analysis that's exactly what you would have to say. Joe Montana=Ryan Tannehill.

    But then again, Marino too was affected by his surroundings as well. He had a SOLID offensive line and was surrounded by incredible receiving talent in Cefalo, Clayton, Duper, Jenson, Johnson and Moore. Without that receiving talent, Marino's individual abilities would be moot.

    This is where the head coach (along with the GM's that obtain the players) are crucial! The 49ers and the Dolphins were two completely different teams. One won 2 Super Bowls and established the dynasty of the 80's...the other only had one Super Bowl appearance and never made it back...

    But Marino did indeed rack up production and like I told Brad...production is irrelevant when you never win a championship.
     
  7. cbrad

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    LOL.. Joe Montana = Ryan Tannehill from a pure statistical point of view. Where do you dig up this nonsense?

    Joe Montana comes in #2 all-time if you rank by efficiency (i.e., passer rating adjusted for era). The only QB better than Montana from a PURE statistical point of view was Steve Young. That's it. Marino comes in #10th all-time in z-scores if you threshold at a minimum of 4000 passing attempts. And btw.. Montana won 4 SB's not 2 like you claim.

    Where Marino was better than Montana statistically is by wins added over a career. Marino is 3rd all-time there behind Brees and Manning. Montana comes in 7th.
     
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  8. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Herbert is looking good today. Good poise, making plays with his arm and feet. Really wanted him.
     
  9. Hooligan

    Hooligan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, Herbert looks really good against the defending SB champs. I really wanted him too. Maybe we can get a third thread started for a QB of another team.
     
  10. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    So, of the top 3 QBs selected only the one we picked isn't ready or good enough to play. Sounds about right for the dolphins.
     
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  11. cbrad

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    Hey.. with the way Burrow and Herbert are playing (so far), there's a chance the 2020 draft turns out to be as good a QB draft as the 1983 draft that produced Elway, Kelly and Marino. We just need Tua for the trifecta lol.

    And with the way we're playing I'm pretty confident we'll see Tua start this year.
     
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  12. Phin McCool

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