Execs on Tagovailoa: 'There is serious concern'

He's a risk, we know.

 

Unless we know who the teams are the fact that he was removed from some draft boards it is meaningless.

 

Pretty much all the things I've been saying, though I dont care he is lefty lol

The bottom line is that his skills dont necessarily translate well to the NFL level.

He seems like a guy with a really low ceiling to me who could be solid but not spectacular at a lot of things but not enough to be a top QB.

I think he will last in the NFL but I see more of a journeyman career than something special.

I dont feel too much different about Burrow honestly, but with the injuries I'd definitely go for Burrow first

 

I am glad there are some NFL execs with some sense. I hope the dolphins have one of them. Tua has many red flags which should eliminate him from consideration for the #5 pick.

We need to use the #5 on either Simmons, Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, or trade down.

 

I really do like Tua as a player but I've said for awhile I have concerns over his durability. Really I think you would need blinders to think otherwise. I have an irrational dislike of Herbert so thats two off the list. Doesn't leave much. Love? Hurts? I don't know so I am grateful I don't need to make the call.

 

Best option is Eason with our 1C or 2A pick.

 

If that's how the Dolphins feel as well, then I would strongly recommend they trade up and get Burrow, if possible.

 

The word was a few weeks ago we would have to trade up for Tua. I can only hope Grier stands pat at #5. If we take him then, OK. I will have to live with it and hope he can stay healthy. However, if we give up major resources to trade up for him and he ends up being injury-prone then that is going to set us back, big time. We need those resources to fill all the other holes we have, especially on the OL, so we can at least try and protect the dude.

 

Personally, I think he's probably the best QB overall in this draft...but his injury history is too hard for me to overcome. I really think there's a chance he doesn't get picked in the first round just based on speculation, and it's a shame for Tua. He seems like a good, upbeat kid and someone I'd like to have in our franchise...I just don't see how you project him as the #5 overall pick.

 

At this point, I don't see how we could possibly move up. If he busts then Grier knows he's out the door as well, which is exactly what he just watched with Tannehill. As much as they want the kid I just don't see how they pull the trigger to move up and justify it. Even at #5 it's a massive gamble. I know they desperately want to draft Tua at #5, but I think they'll show restraint and pass.

Another thing to consider, we've seen all these quotes coming from an AFC East GM. It's not New York or Buffalo, and if it's New England then you know it's likely a smokescreen so they can get Tua in the 20's. I think it's entirely possible that it's Grier leaking these evaluations on Tua either out of honesty (we're not drafting him) or NFL politics (he's still our pick at #5). It really is anyone's guess where we stand on Tua.

 

I would say hes the most polished in the draft. My list goes Herbert, Burrow, Tua but honestly all three are very close to me and have different issues to deal with. I honestly think a legitimate case can be made for any of the three.

 

What's funny is I just read on PFF that they think we should be the team to trade up with Detroit. They said the price would be only our #39 pick. I get that it pretty cheap considering, but I think we would be bidding against ourselves. The Chargers are the other team that may want to trade up, but their GM is ultra-conservative when it comes to trades. I think they were the only team who did not make a trade during last year's draft.

 

Yawn! Ah well, if folk are willing to accept the 'gospel' of an unnamed source, as long as it suits their narrative, so be it. Just file it away with..

'If god is so good, why does he let all these bad things happen?'
"Well, he's testing us..."

'The Russians did it.'
"You have proof?"
'Er, let's just say it's 'highly likely'... so yeah, we have proof'

 

Meh, these kinds of articles always smell of smoke more than actual reality. I will say, for example, would anyone put it past the Pats to try and send out signals like this to get Tua dropping into the teens/early 20s and reasonable trade distance? I wouldn't, and don't want to see him end up there.

At the end of the day, if our medical staff, Grier and Flores don't believe in him then I will have to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I will do the same if the draft (even trade up for) Tua. I can't fault Grier and Flores for being wary of medicals I also won't fault them for taking a chance on such a talent. But if they do pass, they had better be prepared.

 

Let's face it Grier and Flores could come out and openly say that there's 0% chance of us drafting Tua and yet we'd still be debating whether it's a smokescreen. My point being, ignore all talk from "Sources" and "reports say", let's wait 6 more days and get our answers when the picks are made.

 

If they said that publicly to the media, then we're a lock at taking Tua at #5. Just sayin'....

 

I agree with the worries. I would still be okay with taking him at 5, but not trading up unless, as was said, we could do it for just the #39 pick.

 

I dont think there is a team dumb enough to trade up tor Tua or even make him a top 10 pick. If Ireland was still our GM then id say we would be stupid enough to do either moves. But I think Grier is smarter than that... i hope he is.

 

If there wan’t a risk he’d be going number 1 overall.

 

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but the whole idea of that makes my head explode. I just don't see it, and don't get it. For me, a number one pick QB should be this shining example of passer awesomeness that's very likely to have a terrific NFL career no matter where he goes. But I guess that's not the world that we live in now.

I mean next year, Trevor Lawrence is a number one pick QB. Yes, no question. In 2018, Sam Darnold was. But teams are forcing it more and more when those guys aren't part of a class.

 

The draft just needs to get here!

 

If I double like a post then this would be the one.

 

I don't want them to trade up but given that his upside is higher than Herbert I'm not going to look at them taking Herbert as some evidence that Grier is really smart.

When draft time comes up every fan pretends to be an expert so people will be pissed no matter what they do but this franchise has been so consistently mediocre that I can't be too bothered if they roll the dice on the QB with the greater potential.

 

I get it. Pick #5 for you guys is very valuable and it should be a for sure thing.

But in this case. This pick also could be a high risk even higher reward pick if Tua does indeed stay healthy. You guys could afford to go for it if you think this is the guy to lead the team. One pick doesnt define your franchise, and what will be interesting is the other picks Grier hits or misses that will put the Dolphins over the top. Based on NFL history, if a team isnt successful with all these picks in 3-4 years from now -- Grier would have to really come to the spot light and explain... he wont be criticized about missing on a #5 pick, but his overall draft class. Because at this point, he has alot of ammo than your typical NFL GM. I hope he has studied and is ready to make a huge difference beacause we are going to know sooner than later if he has made the right picks. Dolphins should be a SB contending team within 2-3 years from now if everything goes according to plan.

 

Herberts potential is higher than Tua and im not a fan of Herbert.

 

I disagree but I am fine with them taking Herbert if that is what they believe.

 

I have been saying this from day one. Anyone that is super high on Tua has fallen in love. You can see it in their evaluations. Many times, they just ignore the injury altogether.

Sometimes they resort to excuse making. Player X came back from injury Y, so Tua can do it too. Come on. An entirely different player with a different/similar injury doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of this. One thing that gets me the most during the draft season is "exception man." They find a guy who defies a time tested rule and defies. They then point to this one exception and argue the rule is no longer applicable.

We also got people whose cousin's, neighbor's, gardener is a nurse and is positive that Tua is gonna make a full recovery.

The problem is that none of us are in a position to even make a good educated guess on his prognosis. There are people that are in a situation to offer a much better guess than we are - the team doctors. Unfortunately, they cannot access him either.

I truly think that there should a consensus on this board that everyone should be very skeptical about this pick.

 

I see the opposite as being just as - if not more - true personally. People that are high on Tua are going based on the gameplay and production that made him a top prospect. We can't really discount the injury, but at the same time, others seem to be blowing them out of proportion or making equally outlandish and unsupported claims. "Bo Jackson was never the same, so neither will be Tua" was not an uncommon refrain despite all the medical evidence to the contrary. They found the one big name that fits their criteria and apply in the face of evidence.

To me, it's a classic case of overthinking. The dude is an exceptional talent. I see many of the naysayers as just wanting to be the types to latch onto a name and be contrarian so they can later point to it if it works in their favor to crow about it. We see it every single year.

Now, if our team feels the medicals just aren't good enough, then that's ok, at least as long as they can execute something well, I like both Herbert and Love. But if they think the medicals are fine and take him - even move up? I'm down, we will be getting a big time talent. Grier will need to feel strongly enough in either case to put his career on the line - his QB will be a defining pick. Failure likely means he doesn't pick the next one. Success means a long career. I am willing as a fan to meet him on that choice.

 

This is more than just the hip.This guy has never played a full college season surrounded by the best talent in college football.
He is injury prone and that is a fact.Spin it any way you like it but thats the truth.

 

As much as I don't want to accept this or agree with it, it is absolutely true about Tua. He's injury prone at this point, the hip is extremely scary, and I for one don't want the stress of having a potential stroke from holding my breath every time he's slow to get up after taking a hit.
If we do draft him...fine.......I'll support the team, but it would be wise to redshirt him for a season to fully rehabilitate and learn.

 

Here is the thing. Maybe Bo Jackson is a perfect comparison. Maybe our doctor would say, he fully expects a full recover within the year. Maybe our doctor would say the injury is worse than Bo Jackson's. We don't know. And our doctor is in a sub optimum position to make that call.

I really do think that this is a situation where you need to put complex thought into it. Tua thrived where everything was perfect. He had the best coach, a NFL staple of receivers, and has played behind a line with first round picks. Let me be clear. This does mean something. When everything is perfect Tua succeeds. I don't think that the Dolphins will be anywhere near perfect, and I seriously do wonder how he will play.

On the other hand, Herbert seemed to lack the talent around him. I really wonder what would have happened if at the beginning of their freshman years, they had switched teams. I really think Oregon and Alabama would be roughly the same. However, I do think Herbert would be the consensus first overall pick. I think if he had the production of Tua, his physical tools would really be marveled over even more than they have been.

 

I'm not excited about how he played when he was healthy and things were perfect, personally. Never have been. His physical tools just dont impress me, and the way he holds his body and how he sets up to throw just look so wrong.

 

That is Herbert to me. Without the accuracy or ability to making things look perfect.

 

Somebody (probably including me) isn't going to be happy come draft day. ;-)

 

A lot of people are going to be upset. That is very true.

I would take Love or Hurts over Herbert.

 

I honestly thought the same thing. That team was so ridiculously stacked with talent with a fairly soft schedule for the past two seasons, Tua was nothing more than a really efficient game manager. We didn't see a lot from him because he was rarely forced to show it.

Does that mean he's not a stud QB? Nope, it doesn't mean that at all. But at the same time, it doesn't prove he's an NFL-level quarterback either....even when 100% healthy.

 

If Tua fell all the way to 56 or 70, I still don't think I would take him. He's going nowhere in the NFL. My money is on Hurts and Eason when the dust settles having the best careers out of this whole QB class. Burrow will be in the conversation but his team is going to suck him down with it if he goes to Cinci.

 

This doesn't mean he will or will not make it in the NFL, but I think what I like best about Tua is his quick release and accuracy.