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Palm Beach Post article: NFL Draft: Tua Tagovailoa fails two teams’ physicals, ex-GM Lombardi says

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rick 1966, Apr 8, 2020.

  1. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    That was due to a car accident that nearly killed him, though. Tago is a series of injuries, basically every year since high school. Hardly the same thing!
     
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  2. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, this was my main concern. You dont just come back from an injury like that plus two other surgeries he had on his ankles. Too high of an injury risk to draft him in the top 10. If true I think he could even fall to the 2nd round.

    It's either trade up for burrow, hold still at #5 and take herbert, or option C is Jalen Hurts with 2b or 3a.

    I dont like love.
     
  3. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, VERY concerning if the wrist injuries happened, and alarming if it was hidden by Alabama and Tua.
     
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  4. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, trade down seems like the best option right now.
     
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  5. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    No, Favre had said he hurt his hip in the East West Shrine game.
     
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  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Well, that may very well be. No insight into that. But you don't think that teams were worried about the car accident as well? Along with nearly killing him, his numbers his senior year were pretty awful. In hindsight, he clearly did recover, but anyone would have been totally in the right to worry.

    http://www.thepostgame.com/brett-favre-southern-miss-car-accident-dui
     
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  7. Pauly

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    I’m not so worried about the 2nd break. It’s very common for a fracture to recur if too much stress is put on it too early, and then recover fully given proper healing protocols.

    What it does tell me though is that Nick Saban and Alabama are very cavalier with the long term health of their players. This goes to questions like “why the hell was Tua even in the game (Alabama were up by 30) when he took the hit that dislocated his hip?” and “Was he given proper time to rehabilitate his first ankle injury?”.

    You’ve got stories from his Saban’s time in Miami like when he stepped over John Jerry who was convulsing with heat stroke and not doing anything to assist getting medical help. This is a snake who isn’t changing his stripes.

    Maybe Tua’s injury history will improve once he’s out of Saban’s “care”. Maybe too much damage has been done.

    edit to add: Saban’s attitude to the health of his players reminds me a lot of the Soviet attitude to the health of their submariners. In the 1980s NATO couldn’t work out why Soviet nuclear submarines were so much faster than NATO boats. It turns out that shielding is heavy and cancer won’t show up until after the conscripts have finished their tour of duty.
     
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  8. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Lol to anyone who has taken ANYTHING as a fact the last 2 months.
     
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  9. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Favre and former Packers general manager Ron Wolf said Tuesday
    at training camp that the three-time NFL MVP was diagnosed in 1992
    with avascular necrosis, a condition that can lead to hip
    replacement surgery.

    "It's a lack of blood supply to a socket," Favre told the
    newspaper. "To this day, it bothers me from time to time, but
    before the draft I did MRIs for Atlanta, I did MRIs for Seattle,
    went through all kind of evaluations at the combine. A lot of teams
    were apprehensive because of that."

    Favre said he hurt his hip in the East-West Shrine game, and the
    condition is the same as the one that afflicted former football and
    baseball star Bo Jackson.


    https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2136357
     
  10. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    No....

    What his doctors said in exact words is that he would be able to take part in football activities... They did not mention anything about contact.... or likelihood of injury...

    His agent absolutely said crap that the doctors never even hinted at. Go read what the doctors actually said.
     
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  11. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    And the 2 broken wrists and the failed Physicals in college.... Yeah that Sh*t is important and it p*sses me off that it was swept under the rug and only came out a few days before the draft.
     
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  12. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    While we are telling stories with absolutely 0 relevance to Tua

    I'm pretty sure in the scheme of things a crack head has won the lottery because he was on the corner near a gas station where he bought a winning ticket after scoring his drugs.

    It's stupid to try and equate his injuries to anyone elses. You have no clue what the actual severity of the Favre injury was compared to Tua. Nor do you know that their outcome was/will be the same, even if the injury was exactly the same.

    Some people survive cancer. That doesnt mean I'm going to draft a guy who has cancer.
     
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  13. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    His lying/covering up would have me remove him from my board entirely. Only bad people lie like that, yes I'm calling Tua a bad person. It disgusts me, there is no such thing as a little white lie.

    Bottom line, he lied to benefit himself. It's disgusting.
     
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  14. Surfs Up 99

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    I wouldn't go that far. IMO, Tua isn't a bad person. He didn't volunteer information that could hurt his draft position. Would you tell a potential employer every negative situation you had with a previous employer? I wouldn't. I smoked pot when I was a kid. When I would go for a job and they would ask me if I used drugs, what do you think I told them? Yes? Not a chance. Of course, I said no. We all have situations when we tell little white lies. I would be lying to myself, and I would be a complete hypocrite if I said otherwise. Note: I do try and be honest. I really am a bad lier. I don't think I am a bad guy. Oh, and yes, smoking lots of pot does screw up your memory. At least it did with me. I don't recommend it if you are at a point in your life where having a good memory matters.

    Don't hate me, bro. Don't hate me...
     
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  15. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    What's stupid is that lottery analogy. That truly had zero relevance.

    Reality is that every expert who has examined Tua has said there should be no long term impact on his career. Every medical expert will look at other similar injuries to establish expectations for recovery. So looking at similar injuries and outcomes is not stupid but actually sound medical practice.

    There are obviously no guarantees. All you can do is rely on the best opinions you can get. In Tua's case, the best opinion is from the doctors who did the procedure and those who examined him. It's what we should have done with Brees.
     
  16. KeyFin

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    Oh yeah...when I said "idiot", I meant the agent. A doctor would never guarantee an injury can't re-occur. If I had to guess, the physician likely said that the hip has fully healed and there's no additional chance of re-injury, where the agent twisted that into something that it's not.
     
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  17. Unlucky 13

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    College teams have a long history of being disingenuous regarding their players when it comes to the NFL. They hide things, they lie about things, they cover things up, and they do everything possible to make the player seem better than he actually is. Some programs, and Alabama is one of them, are worse than others. In some cases, the local government and law enforcement assist the college in doing so.

    But its not their job to be good to the NFL, or to create the best pro prospects that they can. That's why we have the combine, and medical checks, and why teams do in person interviews and psych evaluations, ect. Because you simply cannot trust anything that the college says or does, including the pro day.
     
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  18. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I would be surprised if 20% of this board knew what you are doing!!!!

    Do you remember when....things were really hummin`
     
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  19. Phin McCool

    Phin McCool Well-Known Member

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    I'd say that's pretty generous. Even I don't have a clue what I'm on about most of the time... :dunno:
     
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  20. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    That really does kind of sum it up. Given those three choices, I'll take what's behind door #2 Monty. Gimmie Herbert.
     
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  21. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Herbert, with a year to sit and learn under Fitzmagic? Sounds like a better bet than hoping Tua can stay healthy when he is getting hit by bigger and faster defenders.

    I'd be good with another project QB later in the draft too. Any rookie can sit and learn for a year, so that makes guys like Love or Eason more interesting in the late first or second round respectively.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    To me, the real question is how far Tua falls before someone rolls the dice. Would we take him early 2nd round? I'd be thrilled with him there, but I'd also be frustrated if we had already taken Herbert at #5.

    I'm curious if it's too late for Tua to un-declare for the draft and play another season of college football. At this point that could be his best move in terms of financial stability down the road. I just Googled it and it appears he could go back to college with no penalties. In fact, a player can go into the draft, not get picked and then return to college as long as they declare their intent by the following Monday. That's pretty cool!
     
  23. pumpdogs

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    Bret farve was drafted in the second rd not 5th overall.
     
  24. resnor

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    But he would then run the risk of being injured again in college, which would probably make him undraftable. He's better off to go in this draft and hope to get picked in the second.
     
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  25. Unlucky 13

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    The longer I think about it, the greater the odds seem that he's the next Sam Bradford.
     
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  26. Sceeto

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    TUA TAGOVAILOA INURY (Hip Dislocation) Explained By Dr. Chris Raynor
     
  27. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Definitely a good point made.
     
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  28. Vertical Limit

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    Im guaranteeing, book it.. Tua is not a first round pick... and he may be a third rounder
     
  29. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Not going to happen. He will be taken in the first round.
     
  30. Duss

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    anything heard 2 weeks before the draft is hogwash or bullcrap or both
     
  31. mooseguts

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    This is perhaps the worst guarantee I have seen all year.
     
  32. mooseguts

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    If you label Tua a bad person for lying what do you label the players that bear their wives/girlfriends or drive drunk? One of these things is not like the other.
     
  33. KeyFin

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    It's a double-edged sword. If he signs with someone late 1st/or 2nd round, sits the bench for a few years and then does great or washes out, he's guaranteed maybe $15-20M over those 5 years. If he goes back to college, competes for a championship against Clemson and has an injury free year, he's being drafted top-2 (with Lawrence the other pick) and likely getting $20M up front...or if he gets hurt again and he gets nothing.

    He said a few months ago that if he wasn't projected to go top-15, he'd return for his senior year. I personally think that's the correct move IF he thinks he can remain injury-free. And of course he would think that- who expects to get injured? If he's playing scared then he's not an NFL prospect anyway. But will he put his money where his mouth is and wait another year? That's an ultra-tough call but I'd almost rather see him at Alabama one more season and I think most NFL front offices would as well.
     
  34. mooseguts

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    But Justin Herbert is not an injury risk? He broken his Femur in HS which ended his season and broke his collarbone in college which ended his season. Not to mention he had a concussion and knee injury while at Oregon as well. Guess Herbert is too high an injury risk as well.
     
  35. hitman8

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    Not the same thing, bone injuries are not as serious as major joint injuries. Herbert has never had a major joint injury and he is currently healthy coming off a complete season injury free.
     
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  36. Duss

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    What are you talking about, this is complete nonsense
     
  37. texanphinatic

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    Concussions are super serious, and with medical research that supports the idea that they can become more prevalent the more you have.
     
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  38. hitman8

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    It is not nonsense. A broken fibula and a broken collar bone are bone injuries and generally heal within six to eight weeks. All bone injuries in general take 6 to 8 weeks to heal and generally without complications unless the bone is completely shattered in several pieces.

    A hip joint injury like tua's is much more complicated. It takes several months to heal and can include several complications like blood vessel, nerve, cartilage and ligament damage along with bone damage.
     
  39. hitman8

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    Yes they are serious, but as far as I know he has only had one.
     
  40. mooseguts

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    Well according to his doctors he is cleared for full football activities. They say an ACL tear takes almost a full year to recover yet Adrian Peterson rushed for 2k the next season. These are elite athletes with the best doctors, physical therapist, dietician, what have you at their disposal. This isn't your aunt who takes a Zumba class twice a week at the local Y. The timeline on their recovery is going to be a little different.
     

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