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DOLFANMIKE'S OFFSEASON LIST: Draft / Trades / Free Agency

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DOLFANMIKE, Mar 6, 2020.

  1. DOLFANMIKE

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    5. SS/OLB I. Simmons Clemson
    18. OT Tristan Wirfs Iowa or OT Thomas Georgia or OT Jackson USC (One of these should be here)
    26. FS Delpit LSU
    39. EDGE Z. Baun Wisconsin
    56. RB Swift Georgia or RB Dobbins OSU or RB Taylor Wisconsin (One might be left remaining here)
    70. Center Tyler Biadasz Wisconsin

    Trade 2021 second rounder for OT Trent Williams
    Sign OG Thuney, Center Karras in Free Agency
    Start Josh Rosen.
     
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  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I don't have any faith in Rosen so I disagree with your first pick obviously, but I can't argue the rest. That would be one helluva haul. IMO, a bit optimistic on some of them, but that would be a huge win. Thuney and Karras on the OL would be a nice get.
     
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  3. Puka-head

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    Yes, yes I would like fries with that, and biggie size the **** out of it! I think you would need to switch 26 and 39 honestly. And I would go after Rivers if they got this haul. Eason at 56 makes it a dream to me. RBs galore in the 4th and 5th. Or stand pat and wait til cuts for depth.
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

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    This mock draft / FA offseason would certainly shore up both sides of the ball, particularly on the OL and I like it. It would definitely give Rosen a legitimate sink or swim opportunity and if he sinks, it’s a solid enough unit for the next quarterback to be able to come in and drive this high performance sports car.

    Defensively however, I don’t believe it addresses the defensive trenches. Teams literally ran the ball down our throats last season. If we can’t stop the run at the LOS, it’s not going to matter what we did offensively.

    I’m not expecting one draft and offseason FA signings to fix all of our issues, but one thing is for certain, one of these sides of the ball need to see dramatic improvement over last season in order to keep fans excited about Flores.
     
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  5. tirty8

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    I am far more of a realist than I am a idealist. The fact of the matter is that it is almost a certainty that we will selecting a QB with our first pick.

    I would say the odds currently are:

    Tua - 60%
    Herbert - 20%
    Love - 15%
    Other (Likely Bridgewater) - 5%

    Rosen is probably going to be relegated to a project. Ideally, he would show enough growth to be a full-time backup for whoever we draft this year next year.

    Realistically, I could see Rosen be a trade candidate just due to roster numbers.

    I could also see the Dolphins drafting two QBs. If Hurts is around in the middle rounds, I could see us using him as backup/gadget guy. I have long wondered why more teams don't target running QBs as backups. I feel like a mobile backup is probably a better option than a more traditional backup if you needed to start a backup for a 2 game stretch.
     
  6. KeyFin

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    I don't think those are the odds at all. I believe that we will ultimately trade out of that #5 pick with Tua on the board and pick up three 1st rounders in the process, then roll the dice with Fitz/Rosen for another season. Meanwhile, we'll load up on talent and be in awesome shape next season. I think the recent Tua talk has been all a smokescreen to make our #5 selection all the more valuable.

    I still wouldn't be shocked to see us take Hurts or a prospect in the later rounds, but I don't think we go 1st round QB at all this year. This front office is all about value and we can win with Fitzpatrick in 2020 AND have another stellar draft class in 2021. I really think that will be the path.
     
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  7. Wilkimania

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    I think you need to prepare yourself to be disappointed if you think we're trading out of 5 for an extra 3 1st rounders.
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    I won't be disappointed at all....but I think that's Flores's MO and I think a lot of folks here will be devastated when we don't overpay on one of the top named QB's.
     
  9. texanphinatic

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    If they turn into an elite QB it is in no way an overpay. Gotta be bold and take a risk sometimes.

    Relying on a guy who was perhaps the worst QB in football over the past two years in Rosen or the guy who consistently shows complete inconsistency in Fitz is setting yourself up for a disaster and a new coaching regime. Ross wants a new face to the franchise, and neither of those two guys are it.
     
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  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Fitzpatrick balled out the last half of the season with a roster that was barely NFL-caliber...and he beat the defending SB champs in the process. If you think that the coaching/front office isn't sky high on him, you're completely insane...he's been nothing but awesome for the team.

    Again, that doesn't mean we don't draft a QB, but folks have to let go of this idea that we have to have a QB right now or we've failed somehow. We have an entire team to rebuild and the QB room is in a lot better shape than the offensive line, D line and secondary. Fitzpatrick is almost definitely the starter for the majority of 2020 regardless unless we grab a QB in free agency.
     
  11. texanphinatic

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    Yeah Fitz did some great stuff. Historically, he will not maintain that level of play regardless of the team around him. This is not a new thing for Fitz - he plays well for a stretch and then crashes for a stretch. I have no regrets about him coming back and opening the year, but I wouldn't expect great things or even a repeat, I expect he will likely be worse. I would also expect that whomever we draft will probably end up starting part way through the year. It's a strong compromise between throwing a rookie into the fire for immediate game experience and having them sit on the bench watching.

    The bottom line is that we are in position to draft a QB now. Next year ... who knows. You take the QB when you can.
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    I agree, but only if it's the right QB at the right cost. I have no problem with taking Tua or Herbert at #5 and seeing if one of them develops, but the vast majority of our picks have to be based on value to rebuild this roster. I definitely don't want to trade up for anyone, even Burrow...and I'm nuts over Burrow as a prospect.

    You're also right about Fitzpatrick likely to regress...there's no way he can play like he did against NE for an entire season. But that's okay as well, we don't need him to be a superstar week in and week out. Hopefully we refill our depleted roster, beef up the trenches and get enough pieces in place to where we can stop the run, move the ball more consistently and get away from that Tannehill-like offense where we ask our QB to consistently bail us out on 3rd and long.

    That wasn't sustainable and never will be because we were too lopsided on talent, and these next two seasons are our chance to finally break that trend and build a team from the ground up...the right way (I hate to say this, but the Patriots way). That's young players on their 1st/2nd contract on the cheap...no more bloated contracts that essentially should be distributed across 3-4 players. You do that by trading out talent at their peak, getting value and reinvesting those picks in more young talent. I can see clearly what they're trying to do and it does not include trading up...I can 100% guarantee that.
     
  13. DOLFANMIKE

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    I agree about Baun and Delpit maybe needing to be switched, especially if Delpit slides (which he might due to injury - tackling issues). Baun also might rise so both issues could impact where they go. Another RB in FA or Round 4 would be perfect. Ballage deserves another look in Gailey's offense. He's a downhill runner and will be better.

    I will add though that even IF Delpit and Baun are gone when we pick those selections there are other Edge Rushers and Safeties that would absolutely meet our needs there. We are in great shape in terms of where we pick and ways to improve ourselves.
     
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  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I can't endorse the "Patriot Way" because it required striking gold on an all-time top QB drafted in the 6th round who consistently played for less than market value, a HoF coach and - the big unknown - a buttload of cheating all around.

    It has yet to really be duplicated elsewhere, and I think that's for a reason. I don't mind borrowing elements of it, but as a whole? No, Flores has to forge his own path, not try to blindly copy what someone else done. Ideally, coming from that system, he is equipped to pick and choose the best pieces to mold to his own philosophy in building a winner. Trying to stick to the true and full Patriot Way will have us more like last year's iteration of the Lions - a team misuing and shedding talent and getting worse every year instead of better.
     
  15. DOLFANMIKE

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    It certainly looks like Flores is doing exactly what you just mentioned. I'm not sure on the count, but do we even have any assistant coaches that are former Patriots on our staff now?
     
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  16. texanphinatic

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    Indeed, which is why imo we finished with a better record and have a better upward trajectory. There is 0 confidence among Lions fans that their front office gets this offseason right.
     
  17. KeyFin

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    Oh, I just meant in how we handle draft picks and free agents...not the complete "Patriot Way" stuff. The Pats are able to buy low/sell high because they continually draft well and invest in protecting their QB. I still don't think Brady was as big as a factor as the cheating and the coaching though, so it can't be 100% replicated anyway.
     
  18. DOLFANMIKE

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    A good start would be drafting Chase Young if he falls to 3 overall.
     
  19. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    There is some talk that the Lions would pass in favor of Brown actually, which ... is kind of indicative of the Lions as a whole and lately under Quinn and Patricia. But I don't think he gets past Washington.
     
  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Eh, they get people to play for them for a discount because of how consistently they made the playoffs and Super Bowl. They frankly haven't been amazing drafters, but BB has done a good job coaching up guys and squeezing the last drops from cheap vets.
     
  21. mlb1399

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    The Patriot way still went 10-5 without Brady for a season. Very few teams have the strength and depth in their roster to do this.

    I think building a good roster gives you room for error for not hitting a HOF or top 5 QB. Plus a lot of great QB’s fall to the last half of the first round.
     
  22. texanphinatic

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    Yes for one single season, in which they needed to go 12-4 or better, didn't, and missed the playoffs.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That doesn't happen often
     
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    The patriots went 11-4 without Brady... they lost the game Brady started and Got Hurt... As a starter Matt Cassel was 11-4
     
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    Furthermore the Patriot way for that team proves the point that if you have a great coach, a great system and a deep roster you can win 11 games a season without an elite QB

    I like Tua and I will be happy if we get him 5th overall. But if we do not... and we kill it in the draft and sign players like Thuney and make a trade for a offensive lineman... and With Fitz win 11 games next year... I will be overjoyed.

    And I challenge anyone here to say that they would be upset at that outcome!!!

    I trust Flores to coach up Rosen and develop whatever young QB they take in this draft... Even if that QB is Anthony Gordon or Jalen Hirts.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

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    Nobody would be unhappy if that happened. But that would be an enormous abberation for Fitzpatrick's career. I also don't think Rosen has shown anything worth keeping him around for or "developing". Relying on both of those players is likely not a winning strategy.
     
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    This also isn’t going to be a one season turnaround. Build the right team with all the draft and salary cap capital we have over the next two years and find the right QB. Don’t reach based on need this year or next. We are several players away from being a contender.
     
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    Winner winner chicken dinner!
     
  29. TheHighExhaulted

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    75% of the people here will predict this team will be a playoff team next year.
     
  30. DOLFANMIKE

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    That's part of being a fan. Plus, we might make the playoffs, but I don't think that's the long term goal of our franchise. We want to get back to being a yearly contender to win it all.
     
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  31. KeyFin

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    We'd have to have an amazing draft, kill it in free agency (without jumping back into overspending) and have several unknowns step up big-time. I wouldn't say it's impossible to be a playoff team next year, but the odds certainly aren't in our favor.

    I think my main hope for next season is simple- have someone other than the Pats win the AFC East plus have us finish around the .500 mark (or better). We need reasons for Belichek and Adams to retire and that alone will be a big part of future AFC East dominance.
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    Of course not. However, this is the year we have a good bridge QB in Fitz. Who knows how effective he will be or if he decides to play another year after. I'd rather have Tua/Herbert learning from a dude like him than being forced to roll the dice again next year because we didn't take advantage of our draft position. Plus, I'd rather have a QB in place for when the rebuild nears completion. Get that training year under his belt and move forward. We have the receivers, and we should be able to rebuild the line and get a semblance of a running game if we want. That takes a good chunk of the offense, then focus on the defense, and in 2-3 years we are knocking on the door of titletown.
     

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