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I’ll say it - Grier here was a mistake

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    After a respectable season where we finished 5-11 with a team void of greatness in key positions I was hopefully for the future and the team chemistry direction we were headed. Than we hired Gailey!!

    Hate this move makes no sense to me. I’m not 100% sure the reason for the firing of O’Shea but Gailey seems a real stretch.

    I don’t believe he has the fire for the position anymore he was retired enjoying life now he will be working late long hours and traveling. Not only that he was a failure outside the two seasons in Miami when we went 11-5 which I’m not going to get into here but he wasn’t the major reason our success.

    His system is basically the same system we tried and failed at for years with gase. His play calling was horrible in the Jets and Buffalo years.

    This screams to me that we’re going to keep Fitz as QB and that’s a mistake IMHO.

    I can’t help but feel this team is going to 7-9 9-7 for the next few years and that’s acceptable.

    I think this is a mistake.

    how can this be seen as any forward progress move??
     
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  2. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Can a mod change title to Gailey Hire... Grier here was auto changed F iPhone
     
  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I agree that Gailey is a pitiful hire but hes here now, so hopefully he succeeds and proves me wrong.

    Put a good offense out there and I'll forget about it quick.
     
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  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    AS an OC, he's been successful with the exception of his stint in Kansas City under head coach Herm Edwards and the New York Jets under head coach Todd Bowles. As much as I like Herm Edwards, he was never head coaching material and the Jets? That's a train wreck year after year after year. It's no wonder Belichick was the head coach of the Jets for a whopping 24 hours.

    Some have said his system is "outdated"...that he's too old. Well Dick Lebeau successfully coached defense until he was nearly 80 years old. As I've said previously, this hire did puzzle me however, I'm all about the wait and see.

    If it works out, folks will be eating crow. If it doesn't, does anyone truly think Flores won't fire Gailey in a heartbeat? He's already fired coaches that weren't doing their job. Why would this be any different?
     
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  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Hiring Gailey makes no sense. It makes me think nothing has changed in this organization at all.
     
  6. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    At this point, I’m gonna trust Flores has a plan and be ok with that.
     
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  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Gailey is pretty clearly a short term coordinator. What the long-term plan is, I doubt anyone outside the building really knows.

    I admit it's not exactly an exciting or sexy hire ... but that's pretty meaningless frankly.
     
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  8. Hooligan

    Hooligan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A lot of people here were equally passionate about not wanting Fitz as the QB since Rosen needed the reps to develop. Flores looked pretty indecisive for awhile switching from Fitz to Rosen and backs to Fitz. In hindsight, it's doubtful that Parker and Geseki would have developed the chemistry and matured with Rosen as they did working with and learning from Fitzpatrick. Flores saw things that we couldn't and made the call. It's his job and reputation on the line. Until he lays an egg he gets the benefit of the doubt and my full support.
    If Gailey is not getting it done I trust Flores will switch to someone better without hesitation and not look back.
     
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  9. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    It's actually possible for users to change their own thread titles. Go to the top of the thread and look for 'Thread Tools'. Click it and in the drop down select 'Edit Thread' and proceed accordingly.
     
  10. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to trust the process, but I agree with the OP and share the same concerns.
     
  11. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I've said this before, I think O'Shea did an admiral job considering what he was given. Chan Gailey definitely feels somewhere out of left field as well. I am confident that if you told me to find the Dolphins a new OC, Gailey wouldn't even crack my top 20.

    As far as the possibility of Fitzmagic returning, I would say it is high.

    Scenario #1 - We draft Tua. Given his health and long term vision the Dolphins have for him, I would not play him till he is 100%. Whether that is the first half of the season or even redshirting him altogether.

    Scenario #2 - Tua returns, and we do not draft a franchise QB (1st round). These last few days, I have been grinding film, and I find myself trying to convince myself that these guys are franchise QBs. That is a bad sign. 2021 is gonna be full of QBs. One more year of Fitzy and Rosen would not be the worst thing to ever happen.

    Scenario #3 - We draft one of the "other" QBs. Again, who knows how they will look during camp. We have Fitz under contract for a relatively cheap price. I wouldn't make any real decisions until the preseason.

    Scenario #4 - We sign a vet/trade for a QB. Again, Fitz is not absurdly expensive and is a good teammate. We have the money to spend. The only way letting him loose makes sense is if Rosen makes significant strides in the offseason.

    I just think that in most scenarios, keeping Fitz around makes the most sense.
     
  12. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I still dont think Rosen has been given any sort of a fair chance. If it's true that O'Shea was the one who loved him, it speaks volumes about Flores that he would keep him benched and fire O'Shea.

    I dont mean speaks volumes in a positive or negative way, but in terms of Rosen getting a fair crack at any point.

    What I really want is for us to draft someone, keep Fitz and have a truly open competition with Rosen for the #2 spot and eventually the #1. It leaves a few scenarios.

    1) Rookie beats Rosen to be the heir to the offense.

    2) Rosen beats rookie to be heir of the offense.

    In theory one could win while both arent good enough which leaves another option.

    3) They both look awful and the team knows it has to look elsewhere. We probably need another vet QB in this case since Fitz will probably retire in a year or two max.

    #3 would be the worst case.

    4) They both look awesome and we recoup a draft pick for Rosen.
     
  13. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I really think that Grier was telling the truth when he said that we may not draft a QB. I really don't think that you should draft a QB unless you love him because it causes a ripple effect. I think that your argument lays out the inherent flaw of getting a guy you don't love early on. People always want to "give guys a chance." For the record, I am with you and think Rosen should be given an extended look. Rosen, like any QB that we may draft, had flashes.

    By all outward appearances, it looks like 2021 is gonna be a pretty solid year for QBs. But let's say we wind up taking a flier on a guy like Jordan Love with the rationale that, "We have all these draft picks, let's take a chance."

    Now, if you are already eying 2021, let's stop and think about the chance we are taking. Basically, we are hoping that he will be solid almost immediately. He would need to prove that we do not need to target a QB in his rookie year. What winds up happening is that this guy is set up to fail, and a valuable draft pick has been wasted. This is what bad organizations do.

    I will give you my final thought. If there isn't a QB worth taking at 5, we shouldn't draft a QB in the first two rounds.
     
  14. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I'd still take a flier on someone after #5.

    I don't think its a waste of a pick honestly, I wouldnt make any commitment to said player, just come in, compete, and if you arent good enough you'll be replaced next year or given more competition by next years pick.

    Even if we arent entirely in love with someone, if we generally like someone I'm not against throwing darts until one hits.

    If we draft someone in the first l though it is a commitment. So I'd probably wait until after round 1.
     
  15. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We start winning a few games with a journeyman QB and everyone starts to forget that we are the longest tenured team without a Pro Bowl Quarterback on it's roster and yes....That includes both the Browns and the Bears. We have been haunted by the quarterback position ever since Marino retired 21 years ago. We have to keep digging and if Grier can't see that, then HE IS the problem. The Browns took Kizer and then took Mayfield a year later. You do what you have to do to improve at the most important position in football. I'm still all for building an amazing offensive line. I think that is just as important, but we have been throwing darts at both positions for quite a while now and we've invested far more picks and assets into the offensive line than we have any other position ever since Vernon Carey was drafted (he now has a son that is going to be a pro basketball player I believe).
    Just to be clear I'm in not saying that we need to draft a quarterback with our first pick just because it's what we need. I'm just as concerned about Tagovailoa as the next man. If there is any hint that he isn't capable of playing at a high level in the NFL then we need to move on. I do however, want to see us draft one this year. Preferably with one of our first round picks. I like Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts, and even Fromm to a lesser extent. It's great that Fitzpatrick did what he was able to do and i'm definitely all for keeping him around for as long as he wants to stay. I think Rosen is a bust, but i'm also willing to see what he can do with a solid offensive line in front of him so again....I don't think drafting a quarterback with our fifth pick is necessarily a lock nor should it be top priority. But....We do need to draft one this April.
     
  16. KeyFin

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    I'd agree except for the fact that Ross is telling everyone he wants to draft their future QB in this draft. I'm sure the point isn't lost that we've recently missed out on two of the top QB's in the league at the moment (Jackson, Tannehill) because his staff said they're not god enough. Even though the guy is a complete idiot, I'm pretty sure he will be more demanding this season.
     
  17. Makados10

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    I liked O'Shea's offense and play calling. If we got any push from our oline and a running game, we'd have been pretty good. I'm not excited to see Gailey come back with Devante and Preston built receivers in a spread offense.

    My 2 cents... People see Flores style as confidence now but i think there's an arrogance hiding behind his "best for the team" decisions I'm not a fan of.
     
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