http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2008/09/index.html Ethan says he sees the Jets as an 8-10 win team. I hope not & I hope their losing streak begins Sunday afternoon.
Good points by Ethan. Assuming they've have sufficiently improved the defense, I don't think he's far off. They've got a Top 5 QB, rebuilt the OL, have capable WRs and an underrated rushing attack. It won't be easy this Sunday, that's for sure. Could be tough sledding unless our pass rush gets better.
I think they are 9 to 11 wins. The Pats are not as good in my eyes this year, The Bills look tough on Defense but on offense they don't scare you. And we are young. The Jets got better at QB, OL, and defense since last year.
good points. we have plugged a lot of holes on both sides of the ball with decent names (& lord knows we had holes) but will the jets gel & play as a team comin outta the blocks? who knows? I am not an overconfident jetfan by any stretch right now and know full well that anything can happen this sunday. I think we'll win but a loss to you guys would be a devastating start to the season with pats & chargers next. home field & playin with nothin to lose scares the crap outta me.
That seems like a reasonable prediction. Although it all depends on how well Favre can grasp the offense, I read a week or two ago that the Jets had to shorten the playbook because he was having trouble with some of the terminology. If he can grasp it quickly then I think that the Jets can be a 10 win team, if not and he struggles ealry then I think they may be a 7 or 8 win team. Either way I think they are still the 2nd best team in the AFCE.
Yep. We improved tremendously (and better than anyone else) at the three biggest places if you want to win Football games. Quarterback Offensive Line Defensive Line There is no reason why the Jets can't win 10 or 11 games especially with a weak home schedule and road games against the NFC West and AFC West.
Mike, Favre has been grasping the playbook very well and the Jets have thrown some of his plays into the playbook as well. Its going to be interesting, thats for sure. I for one am very confident in a Quarterback whose been around this league so long and has stayed healthy for as long as he has to grasp the majority of the playbook in time for the Miami game, run it successfully and stay healthy and make this team a playoff contender.
When JJ was our coach, we always started out seasons strong because we practiced harder and were better prepared in training camp. It's been a long time since I thought we played well out of the gate. I can, however, see us coming out very strong this year. I think Sparano/Tuna have us more ready to play then I've seen going into a season post Jimmy. I also think our team is built to stay close and shorten the games. If we can hang around, you never know what can happen. The Jets had a lot of turnover this offseason too and sometimes its harder for vets to adjust than young guys. I don't expect a win, but I think we'll play hard and anything is possible. I think we should be a 5-6 win team, and the jets in the 8-10 range. The gap shouldn't be that huge.
while i do think the jets have a good chance to make the playoffs, the moves they made in the off-season was that of a team gearing up for a super bowl run and they are not close to being super bowl contenders yet.
Thanks for the info I didn't mean to make it sound as if he was a rook who was having a hard time learning the playbook, just that some of the terminology that he used in Green Bay was different than how the Jets use it, which could confuse even the most seasoned vets. I still think 2 of your losses will come at the hands of the Phins.
Favre's health will also be important. Granted he's a guy that never gets hurt, but age catches up to everyone at some point and I'm guessing he will be in the worst shap of his career given how late he entered camp this year. For a variety of factors, I just don't think he's a lock to repeat the same level of success he had last year. Green Bay's system was made for him and he knew it inside and out. The Jets run a different style of offense so he'll need to adjust to that. I guess we'll see. But 8-10 seems like a reasonable range for them. I can't see their cieling much higher.
I stand by it. If they do beat it I don't expect better than 7-9. I'm not trying to stir things up or cause a pissing contest, just my honest opinion of how the chips will fall.
Agreed. And bringing in a lot of older vets isn't without its own risks in terms of health and adjusting to a new system. No doubt the Jets improved, but I don't think there's anything they could do in 1 year to get them into position for a superbowl run.
Its Super Bowl or bust for them this season because I don't think Favre will be coming back for another season. Also I keep hearing about improvements but I see who they signed and I only see 3 guys that are solid players in Alan Faneca, Brett Favre and Calvin Pace.
I think the Jets could win ten games, I think they will nine but it isn't out of the question for ten. They're a talented team. Kris Jenkins is dominating, Darelle Revis is in year 2 and he's going to be one hell of a corner. They still got good receivers (imo), I like their running game with Leon and Thomas Jones. Now Chatman has been added. The biggest question for the New York Jets this year is if they have that number two corner. I wouldn't be surprised to see teams eventually start throwing away from Revis and start focusing on the number 2 corner. I'm not big on Justin Miller at CB. They cut Poteat which was a surprise to me. I thought he played well last year but I guess they saw something else. Regarding Favre, I don't know how he fares this season but you can't dismiss what he did last season. Whether its his supporting cast or not, they passed the ball heavily for the first 8 weeks of that season and he surely didn't disappoint. He carried the Packers for those first eight weeks. I don't know if he will put up numbers like last year but he looked good in pre-season. He had his highest QB rating of his career in pre-season at 118.9 I believe. About Favre's future, this will be questioned until the end of the season. Earlier this off-season, Favre was asked if he would play after this season and he said "we'll see." Then later in the off-season, reports came out that the Jets have told Favre he can opt out of his deal and join another team after this season. As you all know, Favre wanted to go to Minnesota but his wish was not granted. If the Jets have success, making playoffs and so on, he will stick with them unless he believes they don't have a SB team there (I'm not going to go into that lol). In Minnesota, they are SB contenders already and if Favre thinks he can win it there to top off his career, he may very well go. I don't know how confident Minnesota is in Tarvaris Jackson. He's still a young guy who has potential but injuries seem to occur every year with him. The coaching staff will eventually get tired of this and will move on. Will it be at the end of this season? Who knows.
They need to win on Sunday, period. If not, they're starting 0-3 and the fallout will be massive with the NY media. I'm not so sure they'll be able to recover from a hole like that... let's hope that the Dolphins want to find out.
i can smell the fear and desperation from philly. mangini will be unhireable, and is a rat in his peers eyes. i hope he bulked up his 401K, and the Jet fans are prepared for a team who will be coach scared.
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Don't have much faith in him having the ability to become the guy in a 3-4 scheme. If he plays well this season then my opinion will change but right now I don't think he can do it.
And Penny boy wouldnt have a hard time grasping a new playbook? Come on Mike, you know better than that!
I predict bust. The Pats are the only team Ive ever seen win games without a consistent rushing attack. The Jets simply dont have it. Leon Washington is not an every down back and Jones has been a HUGE dissapointment. See the problem is, Jets fans will not admit that Mangini mortgaged the future to save his job. The weight of making the playoffs his first year and regressing horribly in his second has caused panic and the splurge in FA you saw this offseason. We're Dolphins fans, we know what a Band-Aid looks like. If you guys win double your games from last year great. But 8 wins isn't making the playoffs in the AFC. Then what?
In terms of cap space yes, I'll agree with this for now. In terms of talent I'm not so sure. We have good young talent at most positions. Do we need more? Hell yea we do, but the foundation is definitely there. Talented #1 CB, MLB, OLB, Safety, Center, HB, WR, TE, etc. Guys that are at least solid if not possessive of Pro Bowl potential (when that used to mean something). What the Jets did was build around it. They got the best guys available to try to win now, no question. I don't care how many Jets fans say that its not the case, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO WIN NOW. If you're not you should just hang it up and learn to knit or something. Also, to be fair, you guys went out and signed a good amount of FA's yourself. We just happened to win the bidding war on Pace making our pockets more shallow. Jets signed some OL players, Fins signed some OL players. Jets traded for a QB, Phins signed a QB, Jets drafted a TE, Phins signed a TE that we let walk. You guys made just as many moves as we did this offseason, they just weren't as high profile/expensive. As a Jets fan I'm fine with that because I believe we got the more talented players. We'll see how it works out on the field though...Sunday feels like it's taking forever to get here.
I've questioned the Jets moves this year, not because of the amount of players added but at the prices of them. They paid them heavily or paid heavily to get them. I believe a Jet fan said that they still had six to nine million under the cap which is amazing imo. When you have a good, young nucleus, you have to build around it with veterans imo. That's what I think the Jets did. As Jets81 said above, they have young talents at several positions already. Your not going to win a lot of games if you don't add veteran presences in the locker room and on the field. All these moves may give them limitations on future acquisitions via draft/FA/waivers but they did what they wanted to, which was add around the talent you already have. In response to Jets81's post regarding the 'win-now' situations around the league, I think that every team wants to win now (every year actually) but its a slower process for some, i.e. the Dolphins. We were absolutely abysmal last year and had to take time to clean up what was left of the mess. We cleaned up some of it by small pickups, we did shell out a bit of money for FA's like Starks. The Jets were a mess last year as well but instead of them choosing the rebuilding path, they chose the re-tooling path. You guys have to remember that prior to last year, the Jets were in the playoffs, facing the Patriots. They were a ten and six team. Another note is that since Mangini was hired in 2006, the Dolphins have had three coaches (Saban, Cameron and now Sparano).
I don't find it hilarious because anything is possible. Do I think they win that much? NO. Could they? Sure. Eight to nine wins sounds good imo. They could squeeze out a ten win season because of Favre.
On paper the Jets are a Post Season contender, IMO... but I would like to listen to Jet fans and answer what was brought up... Do you guys and gals think that Mangini is coaching scare this year???
I think their going to be a solid team. Look, I hate the Jets as much as the next Dolphins fan but I'm trying to be as straight forward as I can be when talking about football. I'll admit to you that I can be a homer at times, I may be optimistic as some of the guys here but I don't intend to be. Its just how we are. In my eyes, the Jets have a solid team, regardless of the hatred for them.
it all starts sunday. IF we win, they will start out the season in a tough spot. i just dont see more than a 9-7 year for the overhyped jets
I'm wondering the same thing. Alen you seem to be giving the Jets a lot of credit none of which they've earned yet.
What's wrong with some objectivity? Look around this place there are predictions for the dolphins to go anywhere from 5-11 to 11-5 - has Miami even sniffed at the right to be mentioned in the same breath as a playoff team? Not on the field but as educated football fans, knowing the players, the coaches & the potential we can make assumptions based on that same knowledge and to a degree a little bit of bias. We can't ignore the fact that the Jets have some good players and we can't penalize or call people out for using that same recognition. Personally I don't think they will be very successful this year based on my interpretation of all of the above facts - Alen obviously feels different and he's very much entitled to it.
Your arguing with me that I'm giving them a lot of credit, yet in the quote above, you have the same win total projection as I do of them. I said I see them winning nine games, possibly ten with Favre squeezing out a win. We've all been very happy with what our Dolphins have done this season after an abysmal 1 win season last year. We have 29 new players, a new coaching staff and new management. Now answer this for me. What credit have the Dolphins earned to get some projections as high as eight wins? I'm not saying you predicted, you may have but answer that for me. When Favre was on the block in Green Bay and Miami was mentioned as a possible destination, we all thought that Favre could get us an extra two wins this regular season. We were all looking at a five win season, which would have put us at seven wins. Now, the Jets, have acquired Favre and I think he can get them the same thing (an extra two wins). Without Favre, I projected those New York Jets to win seven games. If Favre can get us two extra wins, he can do it in New York as well. They're a more talented team at the moment and with two additional wins, they are at nine wins. The reason I give the Jets that win total is because I believe they have a solid team. I really do. Every report I've read or heard from New York talks about Kris Jenkins making plays as the Nose in the 34. That was one of the questions when that move was made. Are those pre-season performances going to translate to the real gameday-Sunday? Who knows. Can they? Absolutely. At the Linebacker spot, they have a good group of players. I don't like what I've seen from Gholston so far but he may eventually come along. They have David Harris there whose going to be a very good player in this league. Bryan Thomas struggled last year but is back this year and he could have a good year. A lot of possibilities for them. Will they all reach their expectations? Probably not. Can they? Yes. In the secondary, they have a very good young corner in Darelle Revis. If some of you don't see him as a very good player in the near future, I'm sorry. At the second CB spot, they have question marks. I don't know what they plan on doing but I read somewhere that they may bring back Poteat. At the Safety spot, they have a very good player in Kerry Rhodes and along side him, they have two guys battling it out for the spot. I don't know how good they are or they will be though. We'll see. I'm sure we can find one Jets fan on this site that can elaborate on that with an honest opinion, not bias. On offense, they have finally solidified their Quarterback spot. They had so many questions surrounding it with Kellen Clemens. Pennington is always injured and it shows with only one healthy season in his career. Favre is still a good QB. I don't think he will top his performance last year but I think he can still be one of the better QB's in this league. At the WR spot, they have Coles and Cotchery. I like Cotchery. He can make plays downfield and I think Coles is still a good receiver. In the backfield, they have Leon Washington whose a nice back. He can make plays here and there. Thomas Jones isn't an all-pro back but he's solid imo. He helped the Bears get to the SB, topping 1200 yards two seasons in a row I believe and I think he can still be a solid one as I mentioned earlier. The offensive line brings back one of the better Centers in the league with Mangold. D'Brickashaw Ferguson isn't what he was hyped up to be but he's a solid player. Faneca is there, he still has a couple years left in him. Damien Woody is at the RT. I have some questions about him playing there but he has played it before I think. Nine wins IMHO is a good projection. I know you disagree with me but I can only say so much.
