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2019 QB's Thread

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Galant, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Galant

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    And this is audio only - it's just a called calling into a local Alabama radio show (as far as I can tell), but for anyone trying to get a handle on the QB's this year, particularly Tua, I think the caller gives a good summary on the perspective many have about him. That is to say, the positive view that defends him, and his performance last year, and sees him as an elite prospect.

     
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    I have been trying, but I got distracted by the Wilson/Luck discussion. Thank you again for all you do. I am not really educated enough to intelligently discuss football (or much else for that matter), but I do like to think about who we should take in the next draft. I see tweets where some are saying we should be tanking for Lawerance and although I do think he would be a dream come true the fans and organization can't even handle one game. Imagine if we totally sucked for two seasons. If we managed to pull an Arizona and was able to draft a QB this year, and then be in a position to get Lawerance the following year then we need to run the card up there with Lawerence's name on it. That probably won't happen so our QB is most likely coming from this class and I think so far the hands-on favorite is Tua. Is that who you think we are taking, too?
     
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    I've never really followed college football before, but with the obvious interest in a QB this year I've been trying to watch what happens. Since Tua is the favourite to go #1 this year, I've tried to learn what I can about him. The big knocks on him are that he might not read defences well, nor handle a complex offense, and he can to force the ball too much. After two weeks there are signs he is improving in all those areas, with a new OC for Alabama who is calling a more complex offense, the opportunity is there for Tua to overcome his critics by improving in all areas and showing that he's not just a talented athlete and passer but a QB who understands the game, can handle complexity and pressure, and make consistently good decisions.

    If he can show that then I have no doubt he'll be the top QB off the board, and assuming Miami is in position to make the selection, I think we do pick him. And if that's the scenario then I'll be happy with that. If he doesn't develop, then they look elsewhere. No one else this year seems as enticing as Tua, but then, as with him, this year is all about development. Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love both look promising. Fromm is maybe the most intriguing because he seems to be the least physically gifted but smartest - and maybe that matters more than anything else? Who will show growth this year, who will prove themselves to be worthy of an NFL pick, and who will prove themselves to be just another college QB?

    That's what I'm trying to watch for.

    If Tua waits a year, and no one else steps up, then either I would rather we wait one more year for what could be an even more stacked QB draft. If we don't then I really, really, really, hope that Grier knows what he's doing and finds a gem of a QB up high, or else, tries to find one low, while trading back, getting more picks, and going in for the two year plan. If Tua does wait one more year then we wouldn't need the #1 pick. Assuming Lawrence and Tua don't fall back but prove themselves then I think we should be excited about a future with either one.
     
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    Well said. I agree completely. We really can't afford to make a mistake here. Someone was joking about paying Ozzy Newsome a fortune to come out of retirement. Maybe he wouldn't want a full-time gig, but what if he served as a consultant to Grier? If Flores brought in Caldwell, then why not try and bring in Newsome for Grier? It's not like Ross can't afford it and he is doing everything he can ( and failing miserably) to try and make the Dolphins a contender before he's not on the green side of the grass anymore.
     
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    Front Office stuff is the hardest part of the whole equation. If drafting players is a gamble, picking a GM and even HC is worse. They'll have massive influence and you'll not know quite what will happen until you make the leap.

    I know nothing of Newsome so don't have any feeling either way, but it would make me wonder what Grier is doing as GM if he can't make the picks by himself. Not that we all don't need a helping hand at times, but in terms of becoming a GM, especially winning a job over other guys and having had a history in the organisation so that your picks and philosophy could be somewhat evaluated, if you can't be trusted to make the right pick... you probably shouldn't be there.

    Then again, if Tua continues to look really good, and if no other player joins him up in the spot light, then I don't see that Grier could be faulted for picking him. He's a talented guy. It may be the other picks he makes to build the team that are the tougher part of the puzzle.
     
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    Grier seems to have a collaborative personality and I think Barry was saying he relies a lot on the position coaches' input. I am not sure what to think about that. On one hand, I get it. You want to draft players that fit the scheme, etc. On the other hand, I am like you. What's he there for if he doesn't have a clue? If there is information available where someone has graded out all the GMs in the league I would like to see it. I think I know what I would see, though, and it ain't pretty for ole Mr. Grier. When teams get it right, like Kansas City, you can see it right away. The Dolphins are a clown show, so unless someone is just looking for laughs, Ross needs to be a little bit more assertive when it comes to performance expectations from the front office, IMO.
     
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    CFB Week 3

    FYI if you don't already know, It's possible to have Twitter threads where if you open the original you can scroll down and read multiple other Tweets from the author. This is the case with these two below. Open them and then click show thread.


     
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    Watching the Bama vs. So. Car. game.

    Tua's passing sooo reliable. I'm no analyst but early on Carolina have had pressure on the Bama OL and Tua, but they've bounced back and he seems to be making good decisions, and even when it's tight if Tua throws it's 99% of the time in the right place. It's impressive.

    Just one right now that was thrown short and one earlier that was off, but beyond that, every throw is an opportunity for the receivers to do something.

    Pretty cool to watch.

    I'm sort of nervous for him, the pressure is there, but he keeps coming up with the goods.


    EDIT - Here's Travis with a summary:
     
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    Another Twitter thread - expand it for the full list of Tweets:

     
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    Week 3 Breakdowns:

     
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    https://thespun.com/acc/clemson-tigers/trevor-lawrence-clemson-syracuse-interceptions-nfl-draft

    After two weeks Trevor Lawrence has gotten off to a slow start. Clemson are 2-0 but Lawrence is 5 TDs - 5 INTs with a QBR of 78.7.

    The other highlighted QB's are:

    Jalen Hurts 9 TDs - 0 INTs 96.8 QBR.
    Tua Tagovailoa 12 TDs - 0 INTs 95.5 QBR.
    Joe Burrow 11 TDs - 2 INTs 92.0 QBR.
    Jake Fromm 5 TDs - 0 INTs 87.0 QBR.
    Justin Herbert 11 TDs - 0 INTs 77.6 QBR.
    Jordan Love 4 TDs - 3 INTs 62.3 QBR
     
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    Jalen Hurts and Tua lead the QBs in this breakdown of top college players so far.

     
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    Tua and Lawrence after wins in Week 2:


     
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    Joe Burrow for LSU





     
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    After Week 1:



    After Week 2: PFF's Top 5 QB's by their rating:

    1. Skylar Thompson - Kansas State
    2. Joe Burrow - LSU
    3. Jake Fromm - Georgia
    4. Jalen Hurts - Oklahoma
    5. Tua Tagovailoa - Alabama

    And this video after Week 3 - covers:
    Sam Ehlinger
    Jacob Eason
    K. J. Costello
    Mason Fine


    Third video - Heisman watch after Week 3:
    QB Joe Burrow
    QB Jalen Hurts
    RB Zach Moss
    QB Tyler Huntley
    QB Skylar Thompson



    And here's an article - PFF's Top 12 Highest Rated QB's after Week 3:
    https://www.pff.com/news/college-pf...arterbacks-in-college-football-through-week-3

    "We’re three weeks into what is shaping up to be a fun race to see who will be the highest-graded player at the quarterback position across the nation. With a few new players cracking this list, we look at the highest-graded quarterbacks through three weeks of college football:

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    1. SKYLAR THOMPSON, KANSAS STATE
    Thompson has only dropped back to pass 60 times, needing just 36 completions to reach seven big-time throws while limiting himself to just one turnover-worthy pass. He only averaged 9.2 yards per pass but has an elite-level adjusted completion percentage and has added a solid rushing attack when tasked with it. Thompson will have to keep his big-time throws coming at a high rate if he wants to hold off the guys below him who have a ton more attempts than he but as of right now, through three weeks, Thompson is the highest-graded quarterback in the country.

    2. JOE BURROW, LSU
    Burrow leads our Heisman race for good reason as he’s the nation’s leader in yards, touchdowns and completion percentage on throws targeted at least 10+ yards downfield. He’s uncorked eight big-time throws on the year and has picked apart defenses through three weeks. His Texas performance is still the best performance from a quarterback against a Power-5 team this season, and for that reason, he remains our Heisman favorite and is the second highest-graded quarterback in the country.

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    3. JUSTIN FIELDS, OHIO STATE
    Fields added a dimension to his game that we hadn’t previously seen against Indiana. He launched several deep balls and as such, is the nation’s highest-graded passer on throws targeted at least 10 yards downfield, supplanting Burrow for the throne after his Indiana performance. He’s got six big-time throws to his name and adds a dynamic threat with the ball in his hands on the ground.

    4. JALEN HURTS, OKLAHOMA
    Speaking of threats with the ball in his hands on the ground, Hurts not only leads quarterbacks in total rushing yards but he also leads them in designed rushing yards with 257 on 25 carries. Of his 37 carries, 19 of them have converted either a first down or a touchdown and he’s completing over 80% of his passes through three games. He’s firmly in the discussion as the nation’s top dual-threat quarterback as he holds that advantage over Fields so far.

    5. TYLER JOHNSTON III, UAB
    On just 45 dropbacks this season, Johnston has uncorked eight big-time throws. Extrapolating that out, Johnston would be the nation’s leader in that category had he been forced to throw more often through his two games this year. He’s a big-time play waiting to happen and he’s finding his receivers on these big plays more often than not and his total yardage should certainly be higher as he’s had four of his 27 catchable passes he’s thrown go down as drops from his receivers.

    6. JAKE FROMM, GEORGIA
    Not asked to do much so far this season, Fromm has launched just two big-time throws but taken remarkable care of the ball without a turnover-worthy play to his credit through three games. He’s running the Georgia offense admirably and with their biggest test to date coming up against Notre Dame, he can look to his solid play of top-20 figures in a bevy of clean-pocket metrics to rely on as he stands behind the nation’s second-best offensive line unit.

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    7. MICHAEL PENIX JR., INDIANA
    The Indiana offense looked dramatically different with Peyton Ramsey at the helm against Ohio State as they certainly missed Penix in that one. In his two games, Penix has thrown for 506 yards and has an 80.7% adjusted completion percentage that ranks near the top among qualified quarterbacks. As it stands now, the Hoosiers will certainly hope he can return healthy as he’s clearly been the spark that makes their offense move in 2019.

    8. MIKE GLASS III, EASTERN MICHIGAN
    Glass has some serious zip on his passes and he’s demonstrated that with a national-best 10 big-time throws through the first three weeks of action. He had five of our highest-graded pass attempts against Illinois a week ago showing that he can sling the ball just the same against Power-5 schools and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the MAC this season.

    9. TYLER HUNTLEY, UTAH
    The nation’s most accurate quarterback by our adjusted completion percentage standards, Huntley is throwing a catchable pass on 90.0% of his attempts this year. Granted, he’s needed fewer attempts than most quarterbacks so far this season but when he has launched a pass, it’s been catchable and been on target. He even threw for three deep touchdowns a week ago against Idaho State in a pretty display of passing.

    10. CALEB EVANS, UL-MONROE
    Evans didn’t get the victory over FSU in Week 2 thanks to his kicker but he’s done more than enough to warrant his top-10 overall grade this year. He’ll be put to the test in the Warhawks next outing against Iowa State in what should be the toughest defense he has to face all season long. Still, his performance against Florida State seems like he’s ready to go into Ames and put up a fight.

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    11. JAMIE NEWMAN, WAKE FOREST
    Newman has dominated for the Demon Deacons through three games, answering just why he was able to beat out last year’s season-opening starter in Jamie Newman for the job. Newman has four big-time throws this year compared to zero turnover-worthy passes and has thrown a catchable pass over 77% of the time. He’s a dynamic guy with the ball in his hands and even has 126 yards on designed carries so far this year and forced nine missed tackles on the ground.

    12. NATHAN ROURKE, OHIO
    Rourke had his best game to date in the loss to Marshall a week ago, showcasing what makes him perhaps the Group of 5’s most special quarterback. The senior leader of the Bobcats carried his team with a total of 118 yards on nine designed carries while he’s unleashed four big-time throws through his three games. His rushing ability will go a long way in Ohio’s quest for a MAC Championship this season, and there’s no reason to think that he can’t run (and throw) his way to the title.
    We’re three weeks into what is shaping up to be a fun race to see who will be the highest-graded player at the quarterback position across the nation. With a few new players cracking this list, we look at the highest-graded quarterbacks through three weeks of college football:

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    1. SKYLAR THOMPSON, KANSAS STATE
    Thompson has only dropped back to pass 60 times, needing just 36 completions to reach seven big-time throws while limiting himself to just one turnover-worthy pass. He only averaged 9.2 yards per pass but has an elite-level adjusted completion percentage and has added a solid rushing attack when tasked with it. Thompson will have to keep his big-time throws coming at a high rate if he wants to hold off the guys below him who have a ton more attempts than he but as of right now, through three weeks, Thompson is the highest-graded quarterback in the country.

    2. JOE BURROW, LSU
    Burrow leads our Heisman race for good reason as he’s the nation’s leader in yards, touchdowns and completion percentage on throws targeted at least 10+ yards downfield. He’s uncorked eight big-time throws on the year and has picked apart defenses through three weeks. His Texas performance is still the best performance from a quarterback against a Power-5 team this season, and for that reason, he remains our Heisman favorite and is the second highest-graded quarterback in the country.

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    3. JUSTIN FIELDS, OHIO STATE
    Fields added a dimension to his game that we hadn’t previously seen against Indiana. He launched several deep balls and as such, is the nation’s highest-graded passer on throws targeted at least 10 yards downfield, supplanting Burrow for the throne after his Indiana performance. He’s got six big-time throws to his name and adds a dynamic threat with the ball in his hands on the ground.

    4. JALEN HURTS, OKLAHOMA
    Speaking of threats with the ball in his hands on the ground, Hurts not only leads quarterbacks in total rushing yards but he also leads them in designed rushing yards with 257 on 25 carries. Of his 37 carries, 19 of them have converted either a first down or a touchdown and he’s completing over 80% of his passes through three games. He’s firmly in the discussion as the nation’s top dual-threat quarterback as he holds that advantage over Fields so far.

    5. TYLER JOHNSTON III, UAB
    On just 45 dropbacks this season, Johnston has uncorked eight big-time throws. Extrapolating that out, Johnston would be the nation’s leader in that category had he been forced to throw more often through his two games this year. He’s a big-time play waiting to happen and he’s finding his receivers on these big plays more often than not and his total yardage should certainly be higher as he’s had four of his 27 catchable passes he’s thrown go down as drops from his receivers.

    6. JAKE FROMM, GEORGIA
    Not asked to do much so far this season, Fromm has launched just two big-time throws but taken remarkable care of the ball without a turnover-worthy play to his credit through three games. He’s running the Georgia offense admirably and with their biggest test to date coming up against Notre Dame, he can look to his solid play of top-20 figures in a bevy of clean-pocket metrics to rely on as he stands behind the nation’s second-best offensive line unit.

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    7. MICHAEL PENIX JR., INDIANA
    The Indiana offense looked dramatically different with Peyton Ramsey at the helm against Ohio State as they certainly missed Penix in that one. In his two games, Penix has thrown for 506 yards and has an 80.7% adjusted completion percentage that ranks near the top among qualified quarterbacks. As it stands now, the Hoosiers will certainly hope he can return healthy as he’s clearly been the spark that makes their offense move in 2019.

    8. MIKE GLASS III, EASTERN MICHIGAN
    Glass has some serious zip on his passes and he’s demonstrated that with a national-best 10 big-time throws through the first three weeks of action. He had five of our highest-graded pass attempts against Illinois a week ago showing that he can sling the ball just the same against Power-5 schools and he may be a force to be reckoned with in the MAC this season.

    9. TYLER HUNTLEY, UTAH
    The nation’s most accurate quarterback by our adjusted completion percentage standards, Huntley is throwing a catchable pass on 90.0% of his attempts this year. Granted, he’s needed fewer attempts than most quarterbacks so far this season but when he has launched a pass, it’s been catchable and been on target. He even threw for three deep touchdowns a week ago against Idaho State in a pretty display of passing.

    10. CALEB EVANS, UL-MONROE
    Evans didn’t get the victory over FSU in Week 2 thanks to his kicker but he’s done more than enough to warrant his top-10 overall grade this year. He’ll be put to the test in the Warhawks next outing against Iowa State in what should be the toughest defense he has to face all season long. Still, his performance against Florida State seems like he’s ready to go into Ames and put up a fight.

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    11. JAMIE NEWMAN, WAKE FOREST
    Newman has dominated for the Demon Deacons through three games, answering just why he was able to beat out last year’s season-opening starter in Jamie Newman for the job. Newman has four big-time throws this year compared to zero turnover-worthy passes and has thrown a catchable pass over 77% of the time. He’s a dynamic guy with the ball in his hands and even has 126 yards on designed carries so far this year and forced nine missed tackles on the ground.

    12. NATHAN ROURKE, OHIO
    Rourke had his best game to date in the loss to Marshall a week ago, showcasing what makes him perhaps the Group of 5’s most special quarterback. The senior leader of the Bobcats carried his team with a total of 118 yards on nine designed carries while he’s unleashed four big-time throws through his three games. His rushing ability will go a long way in Ohio’s quest for a MAC Championship this season, and there’s no reason to think that he can’t run (and throw) his way to the title.
     
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    Scroll up. Or press ctrl-f and search for his name. Several videos of Burrow posted recently.
     
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    These guys are amusing!!





    Ohhhhhh! If nothing else watch the 3rd one. It'll cheer you up. :)

     
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    Justin Herbert Twitter thread from Travis:

     

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