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Chris Grier Press Conference...

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  1. Galant

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  2. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Interesting. If anyone has time to break down what is said into a short recap I'd appreciate that.
     
  3. Galant

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    This will likely frustrate a ton of people, I suspect, especially media.
    Why? Because they want Grier to 'admit' or 'confess' to tanking as they see it.

    Here's the thing though, I think Ross and Grier and Flores have been clear about how they view this, and it's legitimate.
    Their position is that this is a new team. A new philosophy. They want to win but only want to win one way - with the right people etc. They do not desire loss, but they are accepting it in order to achieve their goals. Slimmed down - losing isn't their aim or goal, but it will be a direct results of what they're doing as they scrap the old and seek to bring in the new.

    Agree or not, that's their view and it's logical and consistent. 'Accepting' losing in any way might be unacceptable to some, particularly is you only take a year by year approach. The instant you start thinking in terms of recurring, persistent success, however, it's a perfectly reasonable consideration.
     
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  14. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    He said all the right things and handled both former players appropriately. I think it really comes down to do you trust the process or not?

    I can understand everyone who isn’t trusting the process. You trade players who are already showing potential for draft picks that may have a 40-50% success rate. Not to mention our organizations history of complete ineptitude.

    Having said that, I’m gonna err on the side of optimism. I think IF you have a weak foundation like we do/did, from years of constant turnover and rebuilding, sometimes you gotta tear it down and build it back up the right way. I hope these guys can do it.
     
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  15. Fishhead

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    I so badly want to believe, but so many years of frustration are hard to overcome....
     
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  16. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    I haven't been this excited about the Dolphins in decades. No more half measures, no more mediocre rut pretending we can compete. They are doing this the right way; I love it.
     
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  17. Rick 1966

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    True. Now they're not even pretending to be competitive. And if you believe that BS Grier was spouting, I got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

    He's making the right sounds, but the idea that you can build a competitive team by trading away young, promising players is asinine. All they've done is create two more holes they're going to have to fill and hoping they find someone as talented to fill them. If they draft them, then there go two of the high picks you traded for. if they sign them via FA, there goes that cap money. Both trades were short-sighted and unnecessary. We weren't winning many games with those guys on our roster because we lack a starting QB or any decent defensive linemen, which are ANOTHER area where we'll have to spend draft picks and FA money. We could have drafted in the top 3 without getting rid of two key young players at important positions.
     
  18. Carmen Cygni

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    I would drink your pathetic tears if I could. Go whine and moan to someone else.
     
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  19. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I'll take your advice under consideration. Okay, that was long enough. I'll say what I want where I want and you can choose to reply or not at your leisure.
     
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  20. Losferwords

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    Any mention of his inability to draft?
     
  21. Fin D

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    Were you going for irony with your screen name?
     
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  22. KeyFin

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    I'm skeptical of our leadership, but I agree that it's very exciting to actually build a team from the ground up.
     
  23. Fin D

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    Have you seen this post?

    in edition to that, Flores himself, worked his way up in the Patriots FO before switching to coaching.
     
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  24. Losferwords

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    Completely :)
     
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  25. KeyFin

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    I saw it- I'm just more in "wait and see" mode. We shed a ton of talent in a very short period of time, so it's going to take a historic draft to be competitive next season. If we miss on 75% of the picks then we're completely screwed.
     
  26. Surfs Up 99

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    Taking what cbrad said about the difficulties of securing the #1 pick, I am concerned about what we will do (or be forced to do) if a team or two sucks worse than we do. I like the picks we have traded for and don't want to part with any 1st round picks unless we use the lowest one to trade back for more picks. Travis said on his podcast that he believes Tua is the best QB to come out since Luck. If we aren’t able to draft Tua, will this rebuild be considered a failure?
     
  27. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Only if Tua is actually that good and I highly, highly doubt it.
     
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    Two things to consider-

    #1, Tua might not declare next season. What if they lose to Clemson again in the championship and the team puts pressure on him to stay? It's a big if....

    #2, Lawrence in 2021 looks like a better prospect to me personally. So even if we can't get Tua in 2020 and we have to wait an additional season, we'll have a solid line for Rosen and fill in a lot of our gaps in free agency. Then if you want Tua or Lawrence in 2021, you have enough picks to trade our two 1sts and maybe the following year's 1st to grab one of them.

    So no, I don't think this all hinges on Tua...especially if Rosen develops. If we think by the end of the year that Rosen is the guy, then maybe we trade that top pick for 2-3 more 1st rounders and have even more ammo for Lawrence the year after. Someone will pay a king's ransom for Tua if he's there on the board...like historically big. Or we just grab BPA while focusing on the trenches and we're still competitive in 2020.

    There are a lot of good paths even if Rosen is a bust and we can't draft Tua....it's just a question of if we can compete in 2020 or not. Again though, it all comes down to the front office drafting the right players. If we pick a bunch of Charles Harris types then it doesn't matter how many picks we have...they have to get the right types of players.

    One final thing to consider- I'm not really high on Tua because of the protection he has currently; that team is like a well oiled machine. Seriously, that roster could probably beat the Dolphins today. That certainly doesn't mean he can't be the guy, but I'm hesitant when any QB has all day to throw without serious pressure. In the one game they lost last year (Clemson), Tua couldn't bring his team back against a solid defense... so I don't know. He's really freaking good but I don't know if he's the next Andrew Luck. We can't know for sure since that team is so dominant.
     
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  29. mlb1399

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    Is everyone convinced that our staff likes Tua vs Herbert?
     
  30. Carmen Cygni

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    Not remotely. A single player doesn't make a football team; I don't care what position they play. Tua's lack of competition being a QB on an elite college team is red flag. In the NFL his team will not be head and shoulders better than the rest. Thus he won't be able to rely on the big splash plays he does currently knowing his receivers will make the play over, or past, less talented DB's. In the NFL, often the safest play is the best play to make in taking what the defense is giving you. Especially without elite arm strength which Tu does not possess. Tua doesn't display the intelligence to check down when needed, either. Possibly a product of being on an elite team, but the point remains. You can't force many things in the NFL as a QB and try and wear the cape as the field hero which Tua does try to do. They are all damn good in the NFL and many are better than you.
     
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  31. Rick 1966

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    If you don't believe Tua is the answer, I don't know how you can be so excited about gutting our team to be in a position to draft him.
     
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  32. Galant

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    Tua's big play tendency has been something I've been watching for this year and so far he has adjusted and been doing exactly what you said, taking what the defences give.

    I don't know if you've been watching his games this year but so far he seems to have learned some lessons. If that holds true it bodes well. In addition a new offensive coordinator means he and Alabama are running a more advanced offense and he's been making good decisions in it, so far.

    The knock on him having a talented squad doesn't necessarily equate to anything. It might mask some issues but then again maybe not.

    As for the other QBs, I'm sure there's at least one other very good one there but I'm not convinced yet. If Tua isn't there right now I trade back or get elite talent at another position. Then take a lower QB and roll with Rosen and see what's available in 2021.
     
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  33. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Sounds like Grier said all the right things. I'm a little more calmed down now, but this is going to be a weekly thing until this nightmare season is over. I'm fine losing, but can we at least be kind of competitive while losing? I think we had 40 yards passing last week and maybe 15 yards rushing. Maybe try for 140 yards passing and 30 yards rushing instead? We don't just suck, we are historically awful. Quite possibly the WORST team I have even seen in all of sports and that includes the 1-15 Dallas Cowboys from the pre Emmitt Smith era, and the 0-16 Browns and Lions teams. We make those teams look like playoff contenders. There is literally no positive spin you can put on this season and our performance thus far. NONE, and I think that is what makes losing so much more painful.

    Now that I've complained and spoke my mind....It is certainly encouraging to know that we are going to be spending in free agency this offseason. You don't spend in free agency to lose more games, so....that's a plus.
     
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    According to one of the guys on the 3 Yards Per Carry podcast, he reckons he's heard that the Dolphins FO actually prefer Herbert!

    FFS! :no:
     
  35. Galant

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    Over in the NFL Draft forum Bitcoin says he's heard from a Buccs scout that Dolphins scouts are looking ahead to Lawrence in 2021 and the plan is to pick up quality supporting players this year.

    Maybe the Dolphins scouts are misleading him, but either way there are, as usual, conflicting reports.

    I doubt the Dolphins know yet what they're going to do. The college year will need to play out.
     
  36. Fin D

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    He can sure navigate the pocket though.
     
  37. Carmen Cygni

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    I haven't watched him this year yet, so that is good news that he is becoming more well-rounded in the overall scheme.

    I still believe Tua playing on an elite football team, and the lack of being truly challenged (Minkah comes to mind) vs inferior opponents holds water, (despite the recent article posted about supposed QB myths) though by no means the end all be all. There are many other things he does do well for that to be a deciding factor when it comes down to it. Simply slight caution of concern.
     
  38. Galant

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    And here's one more source saying they've heard something...

     
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  39. KeyFin

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    So in the past week, different sources have said we're locked on Tua, Herbert and Lawrence as our future QB. And if it is Lawrence, we've also heard that we don't take a QB at all next year to load up on other positions (which likely means trading back). That sounds about right from the media elite...their guess is as good as ours.
     
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  40. Surfs Up 99

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    I am being selfish and don't want to spend more than one #1 on a QB. Ideally, I hope when it shakes out the draft has at least a 1a and a 1b QB to choose from so we manage to keep the other 2 #1's. That said, if we do have to give up picks, I won't be delighted, but we have to do what we have to do.
     
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