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TJ McD Cut

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nothing to see here..jus drivin along drivin along
     
  3. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Sounds like the Phins knew they weren’t going to keep him, but are giving him a shot to land with another team. Being cut now gives TJ a head start in finding a new team compared with trying to find a new team after cut down day.
     
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  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    This one really surprised. Thought they liked him and Jones was going to be gone
     
  5. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Please excuse my ignorance, but is having 42 million in dead money a big deal, or is this a case of eating the guaranteed money now so that we are in much better shape cap-wise going forward?
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Normally it is big deal, because that's money of your allotted amount you can't use on talent.

    But you're also right. that Miami is willing to eat this year to be in better shape next year. We aren't tanking, but our priority this year isn't to win. Our priority is to fix the financials so we can build a financially stable platform to win on going forward.

    Much better to eat that dead money now.
     
  7. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    I'm having flashbacks to the year when Jeff Ireland had lots of picks and tons of cap space. Most of those resources went to waste with a lot of bad choices. That said, I like that Miami is setting up for next year, to have lots of picks and lots of cap space. It's just a matter of making the right decisions.
     
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  8. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    No doubt, Bur I trust Grier a heck of alot more than I did Ireland.
     
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  9. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    So it begins....

    There will be more.
     
  10. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    This...but also, win or lose, if you have the ability to take a hit now without impacting your team you may as well do it. We are beyond the point of adding any large contracts so it's not like we need the space.
     
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  11. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I like Grier as a person and want him to succeed. However, I am not going to give him a free pass. He better hit on the next QB he drafts, and he needs to get our OL Whipped into shape. If he can't get that right he needs to go.
     
  12. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I want grier fired in offseason. Think we should get best QB evaluator available for the position. It's arguably the most important draft of the next decade
     
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  13. plc001

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    I think I trust the combination of Grier and Flores more then I do either of them individually. Ross put us in a weird position with this halfway firing the previous regime. I expect the next time a GM or HC goes... it'll be both.
     
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  14. KeyFin

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    If this was purely a 2020 cap move, then I absolutely hate this front office. There was zero reason to dump Wake's contract, but okay...he's getting old and probably isn't an every down D lineman anymore (even though his productivity says otherwise). But to cut a cleat-cut starter that had a great camp? It makes zero sense unless you have someone that's playing moneyball.

    The sport is football folks, and we watch to see a football team compete. If we're firing people to save money ON THE HOPES that we fill out the roster in free agency in 2020, then that's not my cup of tea. Now we need a d-lineman a lot like Wake and a hybrid safety...and the next name likely won't be on Wake or McDonald's level. After all, you need to look at the linemen we're currently starting- two rookies who aren't fully up to speed.

    That doesn't give me faith that they'll make the right choices...which means we lost our favorite player in Cam Wake for nothing. Cutting TJ just reinforces the point that skill is not the #1 priority on this regime's list.
     
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  15. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I usually agree with you but I'm not sure it really says that.

    To me it says that he isnt in the long term plans, so instead of pretending for a year it's better for both parties to move on with some mutual respect intact.

    Honestly though I'm surprised we couldnt pick up a late rounder for him.
     
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  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    You could be right and the team already feels good at safety, so it's not a severe blow to the team or anything. I'm just worried abut (a) the product we'll put on the field this season and (b) the direction they'll take next year.

    All we've heard is that we want to build a sustainable championship team- but what does that actually mean?!?

    Nobody has defined it....nobody has even given a hint of details on how they plan to accomplish it....and we're shedding quality players like any old rookie is a lock to be starting caliber. And if that's the direction we're headed, then why do we need so much cap space anyway (with the dead money that goes along with it)? Are we focusing on rookies/young players or are we going to load up with the same types of people we're currently firing and taking massive losses on? The path just doesn't make a bit of sense unless they plan on doing another type of Suh contract where we bet the farm on one guy. A #1 overall draft pick in 2020 won't create the cap problem they're preparing for.

    There's just too much "trust me- I have a secret grand plan in the works" for my liking. I really think the plan is to follow in Cleveland's footsteps, grab the #1 overall pick the next 2-3 years while being the laughing stock of the league, saving Ross a bunch of money and then load up in 2022 to try and compete....conveniently after Belichek and Brady retires. But we could have had the same results in 2022 with the exact roster we had last season, without all this ridiculous drama and years of intentional losing.

    I have always been the biggest optimist on this site....in fact, many of you have hated me for it. But if we tank for Tua, only to see him not declare for 2020, I think I'm off the Miami bandwagon. Think about it- we absolutely tore this team apart for a reality that may not even be possible; that's why you never intentionally play to lose.
     
  17. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    They could have paid him as the 18th highest paid in the league. Was he worth that? Maybe
    Is it better to get the reps to a younger guy when you know he's not in your long term plans? Maybe
    I also think the cap space situation is more of a clean up. If you're doing something over 3 - 4 years then working this all out now helps. Would it have made that much of a difference to keep him? Probably not but I'm not paying the bills. If Flores thinks someone else earned that spot then so be it (if that's the case).

    He was a big hitter. Will miss that but in today's NFL that's not something they are valuing anymore.
     
  18. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    What did we tear up? A mediocre team that hasn't done anything. Hated to see Wake leave but what's the point when he really is long in the tooth. Ju'wan James. Really. Hate losing O linemen but he wasn't nearly worth the money he got from my eyeball view. Other than that who, Tannehill....
     
  19. Vertical Limit

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    None of the players we lost the past 8 months has created more distance in our goal to win a super bowl.. none...

    This franchise has been running on par with the Marlins..

    The Marlins lost Jose Fernandez, Ozuna, Yelich (MVP), Stanton (MVP) and many other great players. All those great players you would have thought they would have won a championship together, but they never seen a playoff game before. It takes more than having good players to win a championship, it’s a culture, it takes everyone buying in the same vision. I think thats what Flores is doing here, so lets what he does.
     
  20. KeyFin

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    1) We were 7-9 with many of our key starters on injured reserve. QB, RB, WR, CB, line...we had a terrible two years of injury and the real problem was our depth. Since we just cut many of those starters, the depth are now the starters. You say we were mediocre then, but you'll see the true definition of that in 2019. I say we were a playoff team that took some bad breaks.

    2) We ran a wide-9 defense that was worst in the league across most categories that matter. The scheme HAD TO go in order to compete- it was one of our most glaring weaknesses. That had little to do with talent and everything to do with scheme.

    3) Our main problem on offense was pressure (and a QB who couldn't deal with pressure). Yet we cut/traded our statistically best lineman, brought in an average league starter and then plugged two rookies in at guard. The line is going to be a mess this season BEFORE injuries, and an absolute nightmare when a few people inevitably go down.

    4) Moving on from Tannehill was a necessity...he made too much to be a backup in Miami and he would have out-performed anyone we brought in during training camp. And I like the Rosen move a lot, but he's going to get slaughtered this season. Because of points 3 and 4, we are probably worse off today than we were with RT on the field.

    Plain and simple, a youth movement is awesome....it's smart football. But we just jettisoned multiple youth along with veteran talent so we can do something....but we don't know what that is yet. So we have zero depth except in the secondary and receivers, we shed most of the team's natural leaders, and we didn't bother replacing anyone in the trenches with true day 1 starters.
     
  21. KeyFin

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    The Marlins are a completely different story- you need 9 to play and they're not getting laid out by linebackers. Injury isn't as big of a concern except maybe with pitchers (plus, each team has 6-9 of them anyway). And the Marlins have bought championship teams multiple times....but we're not on the buyer's market.

    In football, you need 35 or so very capable starters; I just don't think the two sports compare.
     
  22. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Can I ask what you mean by tore apart?

    I know we moved on at QB but I do think it was time.

    Cam Wake stinks to lose, but honestly unless he was taking a Miami discount I understand.

    The line needed tearing though i dont know if it will grow to be any better as is. I hated losing James but his contract is pretty crazy.
     
  23. Finatik

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    You already said get rid of Tanny. QB off the list.
    Which RB did we get rid of? Frank Gore - love the guy but he's not in the youth movement by any stretch. Off the list.
    Which WR? None that I could think would be a difference maker. Landry was the prior year and a headcase.
    CB - TJ MacDonald. You could make a case for him to stay. Is he the 18th best player like his salary demanded. Maybe.
    O Line - Ja'Wan James - got the largest deal any RT has ever gotten. Last years had a 70.8 grade as the No. 34 offensive tackle, per Pro Football Focus. Not durable missing half the games in both 2015 and 2017.

    To me your argument is a stretch at best.
     
  24. KeyFin

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    To the line, we've lost Larsen, Asiata, Sitton, and James. That's a starter, two okay veterans and a project (Asiata- who was both re-signed and released in the off-season). Jesse Davis, our only okay sixth man from 2018, is now the starting right tackle. And we literally have zero depth. On defense, we replaced Wake with Tank Carradine...Wake has more sacks in 2018 than Tank has his entire career (this is his 6th season). We see the same story up and down the defensive line- there really was zero effort to replace what we let walk.

    I understand they want to get younger- Rosen for RT was a smart move, but it was also almost a desperation play since we just didn't have anyone else. I mean, at one point in the off-season, Luke Falk was our starting QB as they kicked tires and shuffled things around. Besides Fitzpatrick, all of our free agency signings are 3rd string or worse at the moment...they literally didn't bring in anyone.

    I just can't see the secret vision Greer claims to have about how slowly gutting a team while not signing anyone worth having makes you eventual NFL champions.
     
  25. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I mean, yes our line is worse depth wise but also like you said...they were mostly bad to okay players. We took a shot at drafting some guards and we will see if that works out long term. I dont claim to know.

    Wake is a wash to me. I didn't expect us to replace him year one but long term I dont think it really matters. He could drop off the Earth production wise any year now, I wanted him to finish his career here but yeah.

    I really think the plan for this season is just to evaluate as many young players as possible and see which ones stick and are worth it. It probably isnt a year meant for winning you're right but I dont see any long term issues yet personally.
     
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