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Could our coach be....The next Lombardi???

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he is a man who believes in discipline, holds you to high standards, and genuinely cares about his players and their families..

    Excited that he’s our coach.
     
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  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm still a Dolphins fan...but I'm definitely not a Grier fan so far. I think he's a snake-oil salesman who conned the dumbest guy in the building into gutting the roster and firing all opposition. The whole tanking thing just rubs me the wrong way.

    I completely agree with you on Any Given Sunday and sure, coaching can make up for a lack of talent. But do I want to pay my hard-earned money to see a gutted roster try and figure it out? I don't know how to say yes to that...Ross no longer deserves to profit off of me or any of us. That's not how you run a business in the digital era- where's the loyalty to the fans or the city? It all just rubs me the wrong way and honestly pisses me off.

    Could Flores be a great coach? Sure. But once again, he was hired by the dumbest guy in the room...the same guy who thought it was smart to gut our roster since Grier told him to. Yet when he was asked to explain it, all the dummy could say was they we were doing things the right way to build a sustainable contender....and I'm 100% sure he doesn't have a freaking clue what that means.

    It sounds good and all, but again....I shouldn't have to pay to see Ross get conned one more time. If Flores is the real deal then it's in spite of Ross, not because of him or any of the foolish things he's done with this franchise.
     
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  3. Silverphin

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    I think it's way too early to tell. While I feel positive about Grier, I felt that way about previous coaches. And so far, he hasn't quite been perfect. At this very moment, it's wait and see.
     
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  4. Miamiforlife

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    I had the football package through direct tv for 10 years. First year i had it, the fins won one friggen game. I think that season broke me. I haven't bragged about my team since. People say they suck. I can’t argue. I sure hope flores changes that. I want to get in fights arguing about how good my team is again. Like the good old days.

    Imo week minded people are the ones who can’t deal with a drill sergeant. Cause you should realize it’s for your own good. If you actually do real war time experience. You will be glad the drill sergeant whipped you into shape. No place for the weak. Coming from someone that appreciates the drill sergeant approach.
    I think we are going to be a competitive team this year.
    It really seemed the coaching let us down last year?
    The new coaches so far? Seem better.
     
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  5. tirty8

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    Go look at my post history. I wanted Gase out sooner than most people. I was crucified and accused of having an agenda (Why would I have any agenda other than the Phins winning?).

    My point is the very people that soured on my legitimate criticism of Gase are now proclaiming Flores the next Lombardi.

    Odds are, we haven't hired a once in a generation coach. I mean the guy hasn't even coached a single game, and he is compared to the name of the Super Bowl trophy. Let's be realistic.
     
  6. Patster1969

    Patster1969 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Serious question Key, do you think the contracts that Tannebaum gave to the players that have been stripped from the roster were worth the money they were due? In my opinion, they weren't, therefore why we would we want to keep them (I'm gutted that Cam is gone though). Also, there are a few contracts that we are stuck with which no-one will take - doesn't that say something in that we have been doing it wrong for years.
    Ross/Grier have had to do something different, as what has been tried for the last 20 years hasn't been working. Will it work, no idea but at least they are trying a different approach - I'm all for that. This has worked for other teams, so why not us? It may not be pretty this year but it's still our team.
     
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  7. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Although I love what I see in Flores and our other coaches so far, I am not sold on Grier either. I like him when he remembers to be humble. I hope he does well. However, I will never forget how when asked about the offensive line he chuckled and said, " I can build an OL in an off-season." Well... our OL the following year was mediocre and continued to get Tannehill crushed. If he's going to be arrogant about something at least he should be able to back it up. That's my question. He convinced Ross to give him the keys to the kingdom. Now, can he back it up? We will see...
     
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  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think one thing (player contracts) has anything to do with the other- we still have a season of football to play. That's like going under the hood of your car, noticing that it has a high end aftermarket intake, starter and exhaust manifold, then ripping all three parts out because you're just not impressed. Regardless how good/bad those parts were, you went from a running car to nothing out of sheer stupidity.

    Trading away close to $100M in annual contracts with no real effort to replace those folks is a horrible move no matter how you look at it. There was no reason to purge the roster that way other than pure stupidity.
     
  9. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    To "build a line", you actually have to hire people. We shipped out 3 starters and brought in a mid-round draft pick and several undrafted rookies. The line was bad before because we didn't have any depth and folks kept getting hurt. So we fire three and call it fixed?

    Surely nobody here (or anywhere really) is that stupid.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I totally disagree with your example. In your example, your car should also have a bad transmission that is preventing the car from functioning, but you don't have the funds to fix it. So instead of having a broken car with expensive aftermarket parts, you take those parts out to sell them and buy used parts to at least get your car running so that you can go to work.
     
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  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Didn't we ship out starters who mostly were missing time? Our line was fine when the starters weren't injured and they played. Once we had three starters go down, and we had to start three backups, the line went to ****.
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    But the car wasn't "broken" under Gase...we won 7 games with a fraction of our starters on the field. Maybe the car ran like crap, had a bunch of dents plus the A/C and the brakes didn't work, but it was a running vehicle. We can't say that now.
     
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  13. KeyFin

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    Yup, we were fine last season until they started going down. So Grier's response? Let's just trade those guys away so they won't get hurt in Miami any more....doesn't that fix everything?
     
  14. resnor

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    I'd argue it was broken because I don't think you can consistently count on those wins AND we had starters who you could not count on. You can't pay oft injured players big money and expect to be successful. So, you've got to purge those contracts. The question you need to answer is WHY did we have to have oft injured players as starters? Because guys who are legitimately good and aren't injured, don't really want to play in Miami. It's just not attractive to go play for a franchise that has been AT BEST average for the last 20 years. That's why we had to purge. We have been trying to just piecemeal it together for like the last 20 years, and it just doesn't work.
     
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  15. resnor

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    It sort of does. Big contracts to injured players prevents you from signing uninjured starters. So then to are left in this constant carousel of trying to find some free agent that won't break the bank...so you're left with getting aging vets or oft injured players.

    Other GMs over the years weren't willing to put themselves on the line and clean house. Grier is. Give the man time.
     
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  16. Patster1969

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    We only got one game out of Sitton for the very large contract and hasn't he now retired? Also, although James was a good player, he was not worth the contract he got from Denver - we can't complain that we are overpaying players one minute and then when we are sensible & don't overpay, complain again. Would I have loved another interior lineman & a DE, yes but lets see where the plan takes us before calling Grier & Ross stupid. Also, we appear to have bought in competent OL coaches as well - that's a positive step.
    At worst, we are loaded with picks for next year and there's still months until the season starts - if it is still a confused mess by week 15, we can then start to question the decisions made.
     
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  17. Patster1969

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    And we still have 4 months until the season starts Key - lets see where we are by the 3rd preseason game. Some of those parts needed to be stripped out, as they did not offer the desired result.
     
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  18. Patster1969

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    Problem was, it wasn't a sustainable vehicle - if you have to pop into every garage on your journey every 3 plays, it'll take you longer to get anywhere. I know that the injuries did not help the offense but you can't keep plugging expensive veteran bits in for them to break down time & again - even James (who was still young) never managed a full season. Denver did not get value for money with him.
     
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  19. Patster1969

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    Hopefully he has learned his lesson on that comment 99 - we haven't managed it for 10 years (apart from 2016) and even then, it wasn't a full year. He has at least appeared to have hired a competent sent of OL coaches though, so at least that's a start.
     
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  20. Patster1969

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    Also why we have tended to only pick up the expensive FA's as well, as we have had to overpay someone looking for their last big payday
     
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  21. KeyFin

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    This is for you and Resnor since I agree with you both- it wasn't a sustainable path with a hobbled line that couldn't stay healthy. Part of that is on the 16 game season though with big bodies hitting hard....you will have guys go down regardless. That's why teams really need 7-8 starting caliber guys at all times. Right now we have maybe 2 max?

    Maybe Asiata is finally ready and will be a 10 year cornerstone at guard. I hope so...it wasn't talent that kept him off the field (it was mainly mastering the playbook). And maybe Dieter becomes a lock somewhere as well (he's started at G, T and C in college). Jordan Mills will replace James so we almost have a starting 5 if everything goes perfectly....as long as nobody gets hurt. Yet we know they will because this is the NFL and its a long season.

    Mainly, I just don't like seeing us going backwards in order to try to move forward. We need a lot to happen to have any sort of protection this year and it's much worse on the defensive line side. If you want to cut Wake for example, then fine, but at least pretend that you're trying to replace him as you're infuriating your fan base. Those are the kinds of moves that have me ticked off....Wake wasn't expensive, injury prone or unproductive....there was zero reason to cut him as your rebuilding. We added several holes seemingly just for the heck of it though and they will cumulatively cost wins this year.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    Here's the thing- there's an NFL cap and we're nowhere near it this season. In other words, we could have guys like Wake and Sitton, or we can just let Ross keep the money. Which would you prefer? Personally, Ross's wallet is the very last thing I care about as a fan.
     
  23. Unlucky 13

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    Key, are you aware that the team can roll over all unused cap space from season to season now? Not that the Fins have an absurd amount left (roughly 27m), but they can move that into 2020, when the team is likely more ready to compete, and use it for extensions and free agents. And then do the same again for 2021. Its smart business.
     
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  24. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    My reply to your who the hell are you question would be a simple, “I’m the one who’s going to make sure you don’t get killed or kill someone else...this is a volunteer force, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to enlist so while you’re here, do as you’re told or get out”. That’s my philosophy when it comes to enlistees who don’t know their *** from a hole in the wall.

    As it pertains to Flores and whether or not he’ll be a drill sergeant type will depend on the players themselves and not necessarily directed towards all of them, only those who need it.

    Again, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to be a Dolphin.
     
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  25. Unlucky 13

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    To all, lets not get WAY off topic and turn this into a military discussion, ok? I think that we all know the difference between how the term is used in a football coaching or real life workplace setting, and how that differs from the literal meaning.
     
  26. KeyFin

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    I did not realize that....and it certainly does make a difference if it's not "dead money".
     
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  27. djphinfan

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    Jesus, I said he has traits that remind me of the guy, it’s not a fu##in apocalypse..relax..

    I have got a feeling that the guy stands for something that we haven’t seen here in a long time, I’ve got a feeling that the guy is the right man for the job is this town..Ive got a feeling that he’s gonna be the man and things are gonna be done the right way..

    I’m excited, while the rest of the NFL is looking for pretty boy offensive coordinators we gotta guy that is gonna motivate you through his passion and compassion..
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Asiata is not a Miami dolphin...cut.
     
  29. Pauly

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    Well if continue car analogies for a while. Gase’s only real demonstrated talent as a HC is the ability to win 1-2 more games per year than points allowed/given up says he should have. And his points allowed/given up was really bad.
    That’s like having a race car driver who can win a couple of races a season by making ridiculous overtaking maneuvers but spends the other races limping around the track after over cooking the engine or putting the car into the wall.
    The car may not have been broken under Gase, but he wasn’t taking care of the car or getting it to run smoothly.
     
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  30. KeyFin

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    LMAO, seriously? Several sites show him as the projected starter at left guard. So we're one less option at line than I anticipated....an undrafted rookie is going to have to come thru bigtime for us to salvage the line this year.
     
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    Damn, that's harsh. He was on IR for an ankle injury but he also lost a child his wife was carrying around the 4th or 5th month. I feel for the dude and hope he lands somewhere...he's practice squad eligible one more season.

     
  32. Patster1969

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    Do agree with you Key on a few of these points - you certainly need 7-8 decent players on the line and on paper, there are 2, maybe 3 but the NE guys managed to get starting quality from not a lot, so coaching may aid them somewhat (I know, glass half full & all that).
    Also agree that I don't like the idea of tanking but can see the benefit of taking one step back to move several forward over the next 2-3 years.
    I would have loved to keep Cam Wake but agree with giving him more of a chance on a team that is further forward in their development and plays (as far as I am aware) more of a scheme fit for him. Although he could play as a rusher, you wouldn't want him dropping into coverage, which he would probably have to do playing as an OLB in this scheme.
     
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    Agree, that sucks - hopefully him & his partner can eventually find some peace from this (I don't have any kids but even I can't see how any parent gets over something like this).
     
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    You do wonder if the new coaching staff may have been able to help him get on the field
     
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    Hopefully, we will see some decent game plans and not just relying on splash plays to stay in the game - maybe some opening drive points, as I don't think we had many of those last year.
     
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    I'm excited for the season as well, just looking at improvements in game plans, motivation, scheme & morale would be a start
     
  37. Patster1969

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    Do agree that we should spend some of the savings if required but we would have to say that Ross hasn't been shy in opening his wallet previously to make some splash FA signings (admittedly, these have not worked or been in the right areas) but you can't say that he's been stingy
     
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    Didn't know that either - makes 2020 & 21 very interesting
     
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  39. Unlucky 13

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    Between carry over and players who could be cut, its not hard to imagine the Fins having over 100m in cap space next season. That doesn't mean that they'll spend it all, of course. Indy had about that much this year, and only used about half, so they could carry over 50m or so into 2020 and have that much again.
     
  40. Losferwords

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    Lol let’s see this guy on game day before we crown him.

    He can’t put a sentence together on the podium without “uhmmmm” every other word so color me unimpressed so far.
     
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