IMO, no doubt, ginn will be a good N°1 WR in the future and I'am sure beck will be solid, they just need time.
Maybe Schotty gets a call... I was all for keeping Cam up until about week 13 when we played the Ravens, (Even though we won the game). I understand coaches need time to get their program going, but you also need to show some sort of improvement, which is something the Dolphins havent shown. I dont think the players respect Cameron either which is a time bomb waiting to go off
I think it's more of a question of whether or not we'll ever have a true #1 QB to get him the ball. I'm not so sure that person's currently on our roster.
well its def not the guy who has been starting the past 8 games. He isnt even good enough to be a back-up
Whoa whoa ok, nice spin. Derrick Mason was a great reciever when he had Steve McNair throwing him the ball in Tennessee, is he great now with Boller throwing the rock? No. Santana Moss has been a picture of inconsistency and he had his best year when Brunell was throwing him the ball. The season he made the pro bowl Brunell had a great year, and played well above his recent level. Roddy White is now a great reciever? Come on, know you dislike Ginn but do you really expect to be taken seriously when you clutch at straws like that? Galloway has never been a great reciever, but he has been productive down in Tampa where his quarterbacks have also been effective. They got good play from Chris Simms the last time they made the playoffs and Jeff Garcia has been very solid for them this year. Cotchery has been solid, but he has had more of the ball than Ginn, if they got the same passes they would no doubt post similar numbers. Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are certainly very good recievers, but the Cards have never really suffered at QB since Fitzgerald has been there, and Johnson had good timing with David Carr, also benefitting from being the only target on the team. Again, give Ginn the ball 80 times and his production would soar also. Dude, your argument sucks, get a new one.
Well Mason is 3rd in the NFL in receptions, with BOLLER as his QB THIS YEAR. So I'm not sure what you are refering to, have you followed the NFL this season? So Moss had a great year with a washed up QB. As many here would refer to as a 'retread' Well, this season White is 8th in the NFL in receiving yards. So, again, I'm not sure if you just haven't followed the league, or what. But White is definitely having a great year, with some pretty horrible QBs If you put up a thread asking who wanted Garcia or Simms as our QB you would get blasted. Why would that be? But they don't get the same passes. You can't really say Cotchery is their #1 WR, because they have Coles, who is better than anyone we have. Is it the Kellen Clemens Factor??? That is really weak. The Cards were splitting time between QBs this season, until Leinart got hurt. Even then, you had Kurt Warner ('retread'), who couldn't even cut it with the Giants. 'Good Timing' with David Carr? Being the only target on the team? Those are terrible explanations.
You can keep knocking quarterbacks such as Warner and Brunell as retreads and washed up, but the fact remains they both had good years in the seasons I was referring to, the same with Garcia and Simms. Mason is third in the NFL in receptions, but not even top 20 in yardage. Ginn could be first in the NFL in receptions if he got the ball enough, see my point? You can't realistically tell me that Mason is one of the top ten recievers in the league, or even top 20. Roddy White is indeed having a good year yardage wise, but that invariably comes down to the 80 odd balls he has had in his hands. His average per reception is less than a yard higher than Ginn which again equates to the number of receptions he has had. Give Ginn 80 catches, and he gets similar yardage. You surely cant deny that?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me why Ginn hasn't gotten 80 touches. We have no playmakers on offense at all.
Ginn hasn't got 80 touches because he hasn't been on the field! He has started what, 9 games? In how many of those games have we had horrible quarterback play? When the ball gets to Ginn, he catches it, you cant deny that! He catches the ball on the outside and he is not afraid to go over the middle, if the he is given the chance to catch the ball 80 times he will, and he will post numbers like Roddy White. In his first year. I can't keep arguing the same points, its draining. big0mar, it has been a pleasure and I respect your right to have an opinion on Ginn, I just dont agree with the validity of your facts and how they relate to your opinion. Peace
Ginn has the physical tools required to be a No. 1 receiver, so its really just a matter of execution and development. Comparing him to other players on other teams is useless because of the many variables that affect performance (quarterback, scheme, supporting cast, etc..). This would include fellow rookies. Also, comparing him to guys like Roddy White or Jericho Cotchery makes no sense for various reasons, the main one being that those guys aren't rookies. Instead of all these foolhearty comparisons, why don't we just analyze his performance in the context of his team (strictly as a WR): 1) He's extremely fast 2) He's a bit light and therefore has trouble breaking tackles 3) He is developing some nice cutbacks and other open-field moves 4) He has much better hands than what he was given credit for 5) He does not fumble 6) He has proven to be quite durable up to this point 7) He can get into the endzone 8) He is not a great blocking wide receiver If he continues to develop and stays healthy, he could end up being a player that fits the "Marvin Harrison" mode, which would be pretty sweat being that Harrison is a surefire Hall of Famer. If not, he will still likely be a serviceable starter like Santana Moss or Lee Evans. I'll settle for somewhere in between.
I think he can be a #1 WR he is fast has good hand he has alot of what a WR needs but now we need some more improvment from Beck