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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Funny that these bad snaps always come under Becks command isn't it..

    he did this quite a few times last year as well. John while a great guy does not have this clubs mental toughness or demenor to be the leader. Beck does not stricke me as an in your face guy when someone messes up.

    Henne and Pennington will both get in your grill and speak theeir mind, as well as give it 100% out there on the field.

    While I wish Beck all the best and was excited for him, Ive lost all faith in him as a starter for this team.
     
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  2. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    You haven't talked to him- what a surprise there. His hands are plenty big enough.
     
  3. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    sorry for the sarcasm it never comes accross the way i intend it on the computer
     
  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Because Henne hasn't fumbled at all, either, right? And those various penalties are all phantoms, made up by the refs to keep us in our place. Wild idea: the offense lacks sync because no one has spent much time playing with the guy next to him, and it leads to mistakes. But what do I know?

    I'm still curious as to the aggregate response when Beck makes the final roster. Will it be "I trust Bill Parcells" or "He's spent too much time with Ricky"?
     
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  5. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    No problem. I started a thread that's gotten away from my intention. In hindsite it was a mistake.
     
  6. SuncoastFinsFan

    SuncoastFinsFan Banned

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    Touche! :lol: I guess some peoples devotion (as irrational as it might be) never dies.

    If they keep Beck, I absolutely will trust their judgement.

    And the self propogating myth is that "Beck just NEVER got a chance". What nonsense.

    The good news is for all of us (unless you are a Beck First fan) is that we have two good QBs on the roster in the Chads. :up:
     
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  7. SuncoastFinsFan

    SuncoastFinsFan Banned

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    It what happens when these guys see Beck criticized; no one is safe. But hey, to each his own, right? :wink2:
     
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  8. SuncoastFinsFan

    SuncoastFinsFan Banned

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    No doubt!:knucks:
     
  9. SuncoastFinsFan

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  10. SuncoastFinsFan

    SuncoastFinsFan Banned

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    Other than those who are infatuated with Beck, no one is going to put too much stock in whomever the THRID STRING QB is. As another poster said, if our 3rd stringer has to play, we are immediately back at the bottom of the league.
     
  11. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It's too bad you feel that way...I can't deny any facts...the fact that Beck hasn't looked good is not in question..he hasn't The fact that Henne has looked better isn't a question..he has. The fact is that Beck hasn't gotten the same opportunities and coaching that Henne has is also fact. The question I have is not whether Henne is better than Beck, it appears in this short season he is, but Beck has gotten the short end of the deal since he's been here...most still can't get over the fact that we drafted Beck over Quinn...

    It's a moot point anyway, Tunaland and co. have made their choice and the only question yet is whether they, excuse me, we lose a 2nd round pick or the bonus money paid to McCown...either way the Fins, and all us fans lose...
     
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  12. Sam

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    That's where you're wrong.

    Every team is concerned about who they have at qb, regardless of whether they're the backup or the backup's backup, probably more so for us; It's not that far-fetched anticipating an injury to CP, may happen in the Jet's game.

    And so far as having your third-string qb having to play, one would hope we would still have a resemblance of a competitive team, it sure would make the season more enjoyable or, at least, tolerable.

    BTW, you use of the term, "infatuated with Beck" seems to me to be almost condescending, imo, to those of us who think we aren't seeing the finished product, and would like to see that he gets the opportunity to do so.
     
  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This statement speaks volumes right here. This is when most Dolphans became enamored with John Beck. And the question still remains, why do some Beck fans continue to have the blind faith and devotion to this guy when thus far he has shown us nothing?

    I remain convinced that the answer remains that some Dolphans not only want but NEED John Beck to be our QB. The mistake of passing on Brady Quinn still haunts this franchise. If John Beck can be a successful QB for us, he can be the band-aid that heals that mistake.

    But it just isn't working out. So now those fans are going through the phases of grief:

    Denial - This stage is frought with excuses and delusions. He was thrown into a bad situation, didn't have enough time in practice, fumbles aren't his fault, not getting a fair shot, his dad didn't hug him enough. Beck was awesome against that amazing Cincinnatti defense in 4th quarter garbage time!

    Anger - This stage brings a healthy dose of hating every other QB not name John Beck. HENNE WAS A WASTED PICK. PENNINGTON HAS A NOODLE ARM. MCCOWN IS A BUM, ALWAYS HAS BEEN. The only thing these guys did wrong was not be born John Beck.

    Bargaining - John Beck can still be good if he just has some more time to develop. Please don't cut him. He can still do it. Let's just start him the whole season and see what we have here. If he still sucks, I promise to stop making excuses for him, honest!

    Depression - I just don't care anymore. Let's just cut him and be done with it. Let him go turn into John Montanna somewhere else. Then we'll see. That will show them.

    And this brings us to acceptance. The final stage of the John Beck drama. We're getting there, but not everyone is on board yet. But come on guys. Let's just move on. Let's let it go. Let's move on into the acceptance phase.

    Honestly, it's time to take off the kid gloves and it's bordering on embarrassing that some are still making excuses for a guy that can't orchestrate a drive in the 4th quarter against guys that aren't going to have jobs in a week.

    Maybe John Beck will be successful somewhere else. Maybe we keep him and he becomes a serviceable back up. But the chances of this happening aren't looking good. Maybe better for the 2nd scenario. So let's move on.

    Because honestly, we don't need Beck to be the band-aid for the Quinn mistake. We need Ted Ginn to be that band-aid. And in case you haven't noticed, he's doing a pretty good job! Such a good job that hopefully by the end of this year it won't be a mistake after all! :up:
     
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  14. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Interesting, but nonetheless seems to miss the point of the thread. I saw enough of Beck, including live practices, to believe that he has the tools necessary to be a good QB. There's no need for stages of denial/grief/acceptance/anger. The real question, and reason why I started this thread, is to somewhat understand how much damage has been done to him mentally, and if that damage is leading to a lack of confidence/fumbles, all of that. I hope that we keep him on the roster and don't give up on him (unless a good trade offer comes along). If we get rid of him I'll be rooting for him when he gets a fresh start on a new team.
     
  15. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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  16. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    i skipped straight to acceptance once i saw what Henne has to offer. Plus, its not like we gave away our first rounder instead of drafting Quinn. WE STILL HAVE GINN!!! And he IS NOT a bust.
     
  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree with you 100%. See the last part of my post. :hi5:
     
  18. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    "I trust Bill Parcells"
     
  19. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why is it that anyone who says that Beck shouldn't be cut is said to be a devote, or that we're somehow in love with him? He is a second year QB that has shown good and bad things. He isn't the second coming of Dan Marino, but that doesn't mean he cannot develop into a solid back up or better. He is cheap at this point, why wouldn't some one want to keep him as the 3rd string QB? I don't see the down side.

    He problems appear to be mental, and history is rife with QBs working through these. He has been better than Mccown, but if you don't immediately accept that he is like having Garo Yepremian at QB, you some how want to have his love child? Mccown was a player that was sought after as a back up. I don't get it. I don’t have grief that he didn’t win the starting job. This doesn’t mean that I think he should be cut.
     
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  20. CrunchTime

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    Karma has not been Becks best friend.

    He start his first game last year in the worst of circumstances and after being battered thereafter the rest of the season I would think his confidence would be somewhat bruised .

    To top that off he has to learn a completely new system this year and they asked him
    to change his delivery which is not an easy thing to do.

    Besides he is not someone Parcells selected

    It all amounts to bad Karma.Maybe a change of scenery will change that for him.
     
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  21. texasPHINSfan

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    whether this particular fumble was beck's fault or not is inconsequential (i see you guys debating who's at fault)... the point still is beck has a fumbling issue. in the greater scheme of things, i think Bpk is right. Beck is just scared and now needs some sort of emotional coddling. a "yell in your ear" coach isn't going to make beck succeed at this point.

    he may still have room to grow into the NFL, but i'm starting to think its not with this team. he needs a more coddling & patient coach. so when sparano says there is no place for beck on this team, i'm inclined to agree with him. sparano didn't say "there's no place for him in the nfl", just not on this team.

    sorry john. but good luck to you. :up:
     
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  22. NJFINSFAN1

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    Here is the thing, McCown has had his chance with a number of teams and has never done well enough to stick, he is what he is.

    Beck as Crunch has said, was thrown to the wolves last year. We really don't know what Beck can be. We do know he has done better in camp by all reports than McCown (besides maybe Omar who thinks Beck slept with his wife I guess).

    You keep Beck as third string, and if the light goes on next training camp and he does very well, than you can keep him as # 2 or trade him.

    It's really a no brainer as far as I can see. Either way, if we get to our 3rd QB, our season is over anyway.
     
  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I really think it's as easy the FO will keep the 3 best QBs. If Beck is one of those 3 best he stays. If not, he's gone.
     
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  24. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Its amazing. The ones most infatuated with Beck are also the most thin skinned and get easily offended by the assertion. No offense intended. Its just a fact that there is an irrational infatuation by many fans with Beck.

    I'm not saying its not important, but I'm saying that if it comes to that, we are in such a world of hurt, it won't matter much.
     
  25. SuncoastFinsFan

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    ROFL...if there is a post of the year, this has to be it. The Five Stages of Grief as it pertains to Beck. Brilliant. Dr. Kubler-Ross would be proud. :knucks:
     
  26. SuncoastFinsFan

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    I agree.
     
  27. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Yep. Good call.
     
  28. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Hes not the second coming of Marino? Hes not even the second coming of AJ Feeley.
     
  29. unluckyluciano

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  30. Sam

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    Been away, looks like I missed some things.

    Apparently you're assuming that just because I see some condescending comments, that I'm thin skinned...
    you're wrong again. What I see here has nothing to do with what I feel...I observe, I comment. Apparently, you haven't learned that condescending comments, in general, says more about the originator of the comments than anyone observing them.
     
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  31. FinSane

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    Doesnt matter because eventually both will be gone. Chad Hennington is/are our future
     
  32. Sam

    Sam Member

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    Why stop there? Eventually, they'll all be gone, and we'll all be rooting for someone else.
     
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  33. Desides

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    Pennington is not our future. Beck or Henne is. Hell, both of them are. One of the two will be a backup. This year, both will be.
     
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  34. keypusher

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    Yes! Pretty obvious when you say it, but sometimes people forget. I am old enough to remember being heartbroken when I heard Csonka, Kiick and Warfield were headed to the W.F.L., but 30+ years later, I try not to get caught up in the battles over particular players (especially when the battle is over who our third-string quarterback this year will be).
     
  35. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Uh, yeah. Okay. :confused1:
     
  36. keypusher

    keypusher Well-Known Member

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    Looks like we traded McCown anyway....
     
  37. THCMAN

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    Doode, was that a Freudian slip or what! :pointlol:

    Our season would indeed be over if the team lost both starting and back-up QBz and had to look to Beck for confidence and a boost. We already went through that once...
     
  38. Coral Reefer

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    Of course, drafting Henne clearly showed that Beck is "inadequate" at the position. Same reason Green Bay invested 2 draft picks on QB's this year, one being a 2nd round pick, because Aaron Rogers is an inadequate QB as well.......... er..... wait, that's not right.... Hmmmm.


    In a perfect world, professionals like Parcells, Ireland and Sporano would keep BOTH young QB prospects hedging their bets that one of them will become the future of the team. Just like they are doing after they made the correct choice in turning down a trade offer for Beck and accepting a lesser draft pick offer for McCown.


    Apparently it wasn't the most logical choice.
     
  39. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Pennington is our future: this year and most likely next year until Henne is ready. I think they will trade Beck either sometime this season or next year, and they will probably grab another Qb in the draft, from the 2nd round to the 7th to further hedge their bets. Beck simply is not their guy and will not stick beyond this year. Get over it.
     
  40. Desides

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    Funny, the refrain used to be "Beck is not their guy and will be cut or traded."

    Keith Davis was a Parcells guy. He's out on his ***. Being brought in by this FO, or simultaneously not brought in by this FO, is not a guarantee of anything.
     

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