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Mando: One definite change for 2019 - No Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Armando Salguero at the Herald is reporting that whatever else Ross does or doesn't do this offseason one thing is certain, Tanny won't be back.

    His reasoning: Prior to this Ross had said that he was convinced Tanny was/could be elite and that's why he was keeping him but if it was shown that that wasn't the case, Ross said he would move on.

    Thus Armando is calling this one a definite change this year.

     
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  2. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    C'est La Vie Tannehill. I'm more concerned with what they are going to do with Gase and Tannebaum? Or is Ross using Tannehill as a scapegoat to save Gase and Tannebaum? With our current owner that sounds typical.
     
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  3. Fin-O

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    I’d rather keep Tannehill than Gase.

    That dude calls plays that are unrealistic for his offense to succeed. It’s like he thinks everything that worked in Denver with Peyton should work here in Miami with Tannehill.

    I personally think he is totally unfit to be an NFL head coach.
     
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  4. Tin Indian

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    Well the only guy I say we must keep is Grier. Tannenbaum is the first that needs go followed swiftly by Tannehill. Believe it or not I'm still on the fence with Gase but Burke has to be replaced.

    However if Holgren or Harbaugh is attainable Gase is a goner.
     
  5. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    If Harbaugh wants to make an NFL return, Ross needs to do whatever it takes to make that happen in Miami. It will be a major fail if he returns to the NFL and goes to the Jets and not Miami.
     
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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    See other thread. Mixed 'sources' for the media saying different things.
     
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  7. Dorfdad

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    this would be the worst case scenario. Ross has to move on, but I really do think he replaces Tannehill possibly and gives Gase another year. Tannebum(pun) should be removed and Ozzy Newsome should be brought in to the front office. IMHO
     
  8. mlb1399

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    Good, I’m ready for it and have been for a few seasons. It may be one of those one step back to take two steps forward kind of moves.
     
  9. Surfs Up 99

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    FYI: Here is Tannehill's current contract per overthecap. I have been advocating for him as the backup, but I think he probably would want to leave for somewhere he could start. I am guessing, but I think if we cut him loose he is looking at a post June situation.


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    https://overthecap.com/player/ryan-tannehill/717/
     
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  10. cbrad

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    Better late than never. We should have moved on in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (I've been clamoring for this since his 2014 season which was actually decent but showed he just wouldn't have what it takes to lead this team to wins when the rest of the team wasn't good).

    Still.. that's a LOT of wasted time for this franchise. Now, if Ross has half a brain he'll insist on repeatedly trying to find that franchise QB every few years until you succeed. Do NOT wait 7 years!!
     
  11. Fame

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    That's fine and all but...who's going to play QB? Or are we just planning on tanking the 2019 season?
     
  12. Losferwords

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    Finally... That albatross will removed from our collective necks.

    Best present I could every have hoped for.

    Too bad we are the only franchise dumb enough to have wasted 7 long years on a QB this limited with absolutely ZERO contingency plan.
     
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  13. Serpico Jones

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    Nick Foles.
     
  14. KeyFin

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    Foles is scheduled to make $20M next season....I'd be fine with him though.
     
  15. FishOutOfWater

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    If he and Tannenbaum are gone, I’d be happy... I say draft a QB, if the picks fall the right way, and see how Gase can coach him up.
     
  16. Surfs Up 99

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    At one time, I wanted it to be Grier and Gase with Tannenbaum gone. However, after what I have seen this season, I don't think that would be a good idea. I don't know if I could go another season watching Gase's offense and whomever we manage to have at QB. Now, I would prefer we blow the whole thing up and bring in one guy who can hire who he wants. I realize that is no guarantee, but at least a change of that magnitude would give me something to look forward to. I am depressed right now, because I realize I probably won't get my wish and will have to put up with Gase and an uninspired team again. Sigh...
     
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  17. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I personally do not want any part of Nick Foles and the massive contract he's going to be signing. I think once he leaves Philly he will struggle again. I've always said that Quarterbacks have a long shelf life and ones such as Nick Foles have rather up and down careers. Thing is...I'm a huge Nick Foles the Philadelphia Eagle fan, and I think he should just honestly stay put with Doug Pederson, but he wont and I don't blame him that either. I hope he does well wherever he signs. The history of guys like Foles moving on and cashing in has never really been on the positive side of whatever team they end up on. Jeff Hostettler, Matt Cassell, Matt Flynn, Brock Osweiler (who some want starting for us in 2019), AJ Feely....These are just a few that come to mind over the years. Foles has I think accomplished more than these guys at this point though so I imagine he might find success elsewhere that doesn't have a Jeff Fisher type of coach leading them.
    Unfortunately, I actually see us being participants in the Nick Foles sweepstakes this offseason. He is exactly the type of Quarterback that this franchise seems to gravitate to whenever they become available. It's as if losing Marino to retirement was so devastating to this franchise that it just simply has never recovered from that loss mentally. We keep doing the same thing over and over.....
    In short.....I don't see too much separation between a player like Foles and a player like Ryan Tannehill for our specific situation. I'm not saying they are of the same skill set, i'm saying that Foles does not distance himself far enough from Ryan Tannehill just to pay another guy 20+ million to come in here and have the same results happen. We might as well stick with Tannehill for another season if that's the case. As I said, Foles is a winner and can have success elsewhere IF the right pieces surrounding him are in place....Not really our motto or strength in South Beach.
    So while i'm all for upgrading the QB position, I think it needs to be done in a smarter fashion than just having Ross throw 20 mill at the new shiny free agent QB. We need to draft a guy and go from there. A team can definitely win with Nick Foles, but this Miami Dolphin team needs a Quarterback that can actually carry them when they need to be carried.
     
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  18. resnor

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    Take it for what it's worth, since it's from Gase, but here's what he had to say about Tannehill:

     
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  19. Surfs Up 99

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    For me it's a matter of too little, too late for Gase and Tannehill.
     
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  20. cbrad

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    I don't think Gase knows how to evaluate QB's after reading that. You need everyone else doing their job before you can evaluate a QB?? C'mon.. the most informative situations are when things do NOT go as planned.

    More importantly, Gase just won't take responsibility for the crap we're seeing. It's always someone else's fault. Hate that attitude.
     
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  21. mooseguts

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    Lets finish the culture change and get rid of Gase and his culture of passing the blame off to others.
     
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  22. Serpico Jones

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    How convenient. He blamed the quarterback yesterday. Gase is seriously arrogant and refuses to admit that he’s made mistakes.
     
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  23. Kud_II

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    Well his offensive scheme looks like some High School football program might have.

    But yeah this line is the most concerning to me. "He starts to try to do more than what he should and that hurts him." So, in this case you can replace "should" with "could." So essentially what he's saying is Tannehill, doesn't have the capabilities to run Gase's simple offense unless everyone is having success.
     
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  24. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    LOL! What kind of BS is he shoveling? The NFL IS ****ing chaos. The defense is throwing **** at them left and right. These are grown men coming at you with all their might! It's his job to get guys educated and prepared enough to handle it. Their inconsistency is a reflection on him and his coaching staff.
     
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  25. Surfs Up 99

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    It pains me to say this because I wish we could just pick BPA, but I think we need to regroup and build up our OL and DL. Sure we have holes everywhere, but IMO we aren't going to be consistent and competitive unless we do it right. Unless we have a chance at a legitimate QB, we need to suck it up and get guys in the trenches who dominate. Otherwise, IMO, it will be the same ole, same ole, and you know how tired we all are of that.
     
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  26. Serpico Jones

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    Gase did not wear any Dolphins gear for his press conference for the first time ever.
     
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  27. Kud_II

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    Not sure why that pains you but it makes sense to me. I love drafting linemen, that's the core of all successful NFL teams. We just got to make sure we draft the right ones. I think our DL is hurting the worst though, only cause our OL will get some good guys back from injury. Who do we got on the DL besides Quinn and Old Cam Wake.
     
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  28. Tin Indian

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    I've been saying this for the last 4 months. We have more than enough skill position guys, well maybe not QB, but we desperately need interior linemen on both sides of the ball. If those lines arent fixed nothing else is going to matter.
     
  29. KeyFin

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    I thought the same thing when I read that. Even though I partially agree with him that you can't grade a QB behind a broken line, we've been waiting for three years and we still don't have a definitive answer. Tannehill did lose two this season throwing pick-6's though and he's only played 7 or 8 games? That's tough to stomach from one of the league's most conservative QB's. In my opinion he's had his chance and doesn't deserve an additional season under center.
     
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  30. WestCoast Phins

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    The problem with analysis like this creates a question, how do you ensure the same results do not occur with the new QB you draft or bring in? Under Gase, there is still basic, fundamental problems that Miami has problems with. These include: inability to pick up blitzes, inability to adjust for stunts, very poor blocking schemes, very poor situational play calling, and general poor team by team preparation. All these factor into a QBs success. I personally dont think Tannehill can be properly assessed due to these inefficiencies but that is opinion. Gase feels the same way but has failed to improve in the other areas that cause these inefficiencies. I personally dont think any other QB would have any success under the circumstances that Tannehill has experienced.
     
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  31. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Have you ever tried to teach someone unqualified a simple task? It's actually REALLY REALLY hard and sometimes impossible.

    It's easy to say he should teach them but at the end of the day if you aren't capable on the field of identifying the situation it's pointless.

    Also I'm not saying he's done a great job, but when we had our healthy line we looked at least capable of handling ourselves.

    Main point is just that it's easy as fans to say we should do x or y but the truth is we don't know what goes on behind closed doors
     
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  32. cbrad

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    By firing Gase.
    We've had 7 years to assess Tannehill under different coaches and circumstances. Same result: can't rely on him to win games for you. Most consistent winners in the NFL have a QB that can step up and win games when things aren't working out well. NOT Tannehill. And that's not "coaching". Either you have that ability or not. Coaching can refine that ability but it can't create it.
     
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  33. Pauly

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    My take on it:
    Tannehill is adequate. He can produce what the scheme gives him, but he does not have the ability to turn a broken play into a pisitive play.

    However, the Dolphins have a long history, going back to Wannstadt, of getting rid of adequate players because we wanted a HOFer or someone who could do the same job but cheaper and replacing them with dross.

    At the moment, yes I do want to replace Tannehill, no I cannot see an easy upgrade available in the draft, via trade or by free agency. Maybe Luke Falk can be the next Johnny Unitas (i.e. a late round draft pick, cut by his original team who then goes onto a HoF career with another club). But in the nearly 100 year history of the NFL there has been precisely one QB that I am aware of who has followed that path to success.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    Bridewater is the better Qb and he wants to be a dolphin
     
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  35. Pauly

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    I like Bridgewater, but he hasn’t played any significant snaps for 3 years.
    Bridgewater can’t be the replacement. If it is to happen it needs to be Bridgewater plus a viable plan B. (NB the lack of a Plan B behind Tannehill has been a serious problem, especially as 2017 showed the coaches didn’t have faith in Matt Moore to be the guy)
     
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  36. muskrat21

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    if they are going to get rid of tanny then just fire gase too, don't give him another year. you know why, there currently is 1 QB slightly better than tannyhill to be gotten next year. and that is bridgewater, and he's marginally better. the draft has literally nothing. so why keep gase another year if you aren't improving the QB? the team won't win more so just get a new coach and let him deal with it and build how he wants.
     
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  37. Deus ex dolphin

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    Really? Another draft like 2005 then? Only Alex Smith worth the #1 pick and then a couple iffy QBs late in the first round?
     
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  38. KeyFin

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    cBrad can weigh in, but the numbers I see on Bridgewater don't point to him being better than Tannehill. Currently RT is just a hair outside the top 10 with a 99.0 rating. I'm not saying Bridgewater can't be a good option for us....but all of you saying he's clearly better than RT aren't looking objectively.
     
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  39. Surfs Up 99

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    I think we need to consider other things besides the numbers. Tannehill has decent numbers, but still can't rally the team and win a game for you when it's on the line.
     
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  40. The_Dark_Knight

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    I’m resigned to the fact that Tannehill won’t be back next year. There’s too much chatter in the media about it and even though I often disagree with most of it most times, what chatter you hear often pans out to pass. With that being said, mark my words...

    Tannehill is going to get picked up by another team, have a pro bowl season and go into the playoffs. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see him end up with the Raiders. Jon Gruden interviewed him once and really liked him.

    The only thing Tannehill needs is a solid offensive line to keep him upright, a good running game and he’s unstoppable. We’ve not given him that offensive line.

    I’m telling you, mark my words. We’ll get rid of Tannehill and end up kicking ourselves in the butt just like we did with Welker, and every other great player we traded away.
     
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