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Tannehill Named Starter for Colts Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    On RT starting... to me it says a lot when Gase would want to start an injured RT over a healthy Brock. Brock only has himself to blame. He has had every chance to wrestle the starting job away from RT and he fell short. Hoping Gase knows what he is doing by playing RT. I know he is tough, but I am leery that he will take a good hit on that shoulder and then we will be back to Brock, again. If that happens, I hope we see Fales, instead.
     
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  2. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm one of the leading stat driven guys around here. I love stats and use them for nearly all my opinions about teams and players.

    However, I don't need stats to prove or disprove some things. I mean, injuries affect win%. There may not be any good formulas or means to measure that, but I'd bet anything that it's true. And I'd also bet that the more injuries you have and injuries to key positions, like QB, affect win% even more.
     
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  3. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    Well in all honesty you want to keep Gase and RT that fits your narrative its a 2 way street there's very few people who are on the fence with this, your one way or your the other. Right? just saying!!
     
  4. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    agree your qb going down no matter who it is affect the team just based off 1st team reps, yes there are some exclusions like foles etc. but i would agree if you have an elite qb. However the jets and bills productions hasn't waiver-ed in the 3000 qbs they have had go down except the Tyrod Taylor playoff yr. you really need to have an above avg qb to see the difference. we can see what Washington does the next 6 games w out smith and im sure anyone would agree smith is way better than Colt Mccoy far bigger difference between them 2 and RT and BROCK IMO!!
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I've been wishy washy on Gase for awhile now. I'm back to wanting to keep him next season. I'm ready to move on from RT, however.
     
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  6. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    i really Really hope RT is not hurt thats bad and doesn't play in Indy, pulls himself out mid game, or doesnt play any of the other remaining games, we need to see what these two (gase,RT) have.
     
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  7. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    like i said gase is hard to judge, i just hate his no emotions. Theres really no reason in taking a shot at someone unless its a proven guy AKA Harbough etc.
     
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  8. cbrad

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    Yeah, but how much injuries affect expected win percentage is the difference between the two positions. If our injuries lowered expected win percentage so much that it was the difference between playoffs and not, then I'd probably argue for keeping Gase. But what if expected win percentage is only lowered a little? Then the position I'm taking has more merit.

    So it's not a question of whether injuries affect expected win percentage, it's how much.
     
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  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Right. That's why I ended my post the way that I did. maybe I wasn't being clear.

    I not only think that injuries affect win%. I think that the more injuries a team has and injuries to key players affect win% MORE. More being at least a few games. With Brock at QB and the local high school team blocking for him, the Dolphins went 2-3. With a healthy RT and a healthy OL, IMO, the Dolphins would have won against Cincy, Detroit, and the Pack. Or in the very least 2 of those 3. Hell, even if it was 1 of 3 the Dolphins would be 6-4, one game back from NE, and not many people would be clamoring about firing Gase.
     
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  10. cbrad

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    Yeah, just keep in mind that to calculate expected win% you have to adjust injuries for everyone. So the goal is to estimate how much we'd win if not just we, but also all our opponents, were perfectly healthy. So game 1 against the Titans.. do we win that if Titans have no injuries?
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I believe they would have. I mean, Mariota started the game and while playing had like a 30 passer rating. Gabbart came in and had a 40-something. The defense and offense played really well for Miami.
     
  12. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    honestly i say we lose that game, if its not 16 hours long and marriota doesn't get hurt IMO.
     
  13. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    And the sun didn’t set and the moon didn’t rise.
     
  14. resnor

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    It's more erroneous to take the position that the team should be as successful with the injuries as without.

    Come on man. You don't need stats to tell you that backups won't play like starters.
     
  15. pumpdogs

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    Would love to see the game.film on that.
    All I see is the entire Dline getting blown off the ball game after game.
     
  16. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No dude. There's really no way of comparing our backups potential to the potential of other teams. It's just easier to say, injuries to starters negatively affect win percentage. You don't need to make it more difficult than is necessary.
     
  17. KeyFin

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    Well, do you think we should win the Super Bowl every year? If not, his comment wasn't aimed at you anyways.

    Don't worry folks, eat turkey!
     
  18. cbrad

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    It doesn’t apply to anyone here, on either side of the debate. That was my point.

    Anyway, time to move on.
     
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  19. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Uhh, there were a few here that started with the "Fire Gase" stuff as soon as we lost the playoff game in 2016.

    Edit- thinking back, Dirty started it DURING that big win streak before we made the playoffs. We had won like 6 in a row and he was pushing the "fire the coach" speak. It's funny as heck looking back....but at the time I felt like screaming. =)

    But yeah, great time to move on and forget that stuff.
     
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  20. Pauly

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    As for the injuries adversely affecting win% there is a baked in assumption that the coaching staff have the best players on the field.

    A famous example was when Al Davis kept Marcus Allen off the field for a lomg tine due to off the field disagreements. More recently in Miami Philbin kept Rishard Matthews and Lamar Miller on the bench behind players they were clearly better than, and both Miller and Nathews only got onto the field because of injuries.
     
  21. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We are getting Tannehill back for this game. That alone awakens me. I've been a asleep since the Detroit loss and i'm at least going to wake up for this game until it gets out of hand. I actually feel like this is a crossroads type of game of Tannehill in regards to his future here in Miami. Of course he's going to have a long career in the NFL, of course he's going to probably start more football games in the future, but they may not be with us and I believe that this game could be it for him (as a Dolphin). The season is on the line at this point and it will continue to be from here on out. We are all starved for that galvanizing moment with this team. That same galvanizing moment that occurred two years ago when we went to Pittsburgh and won on the back of Jay Ajayi coming out of nowhere to run for 200+ yards. Indy is red hot right now, Luck is playing with grace again, even their defense is looking good. They look like a playoff team! I know we can play them tough, I know we can give them a fight, we have our guy back, this is a must win. If Tannehill can win this game for us, the season is going to take a turn for the better regardless of injuries. We get blown off the field and Tannehill throws three picks the season is basically over. There will be no more believing or hope for that matter despite a 5-6 record. So that is why I say this is basically a crossroads game for Tannehill. Not only is our current season on the line, but Tannehill's tenure as well.
     
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    Due to all the injuries on offense I put this game first on the defense. The basic weakness we have had on defense is defensive tackle and MLB. Due to injuries and cutting Suh and Phillips, there is only so much improvement you can get from DT. However McMillan and SS have to play smart and fill the assigned gaps. If we can get a good disciplined game out of McMillan and JOnes or McDonald we should be able to compete. If not Tannehill has no shot.

    So basically first have a good disciplined game from the defense Mr Burke. SECOND Offensive Line needs to play just average, not great just average. Give Tannehill a chance to function. If those two pan out it's on Tannehill to generate some kind of offense and more importantly TDs and not FGs
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    For me, it’s not a matter of whether or not Tannehill can win the game for us. It’s more of a matter whether or not we have a defense that shows up.

    We can’t win a shoot out with Indy. We simply don’t have the weapons. Wilson is out, Grant is out, Parker...who even knows.

    The only way we can win this game is ground and pound, in your face smash mouth football on the back of Gore and the defense forcing Indy into 3 and outs.

    Also, the Dolphins have to remember, there are SIXTY minutes in a game.
     
  24. KeyFin

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    Nope, it's going to come down to getting our line back....having Tunsil and James back is bigger than having Tannehill to be honest (they're all huge obviously). Drake's going to have a massive day, I can just feel it!
     
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  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, I agree with that. I wasn't trying to make my previous post all about Tannehill despite it sounding that way. I definitely realize it takes a team to get it done. We have a shot if our defense can show up regardless of who the QB is in my opinion. I just don't want it to turn into a field goal fest and I feel like that is what we have gotten with Brock Osweiler. Tannehill gives us the better chance on offense and I do think for him personally this is sort of a turning point game for him, one direction or the other. The season is on the line at this point and if Tannehill can sort of galvanize the team or create a presence about him being back then I like our chances for the rest of the season. He put together a very good season in 2016 so we know what he can do. All isn't lost yet, but he's got to find it on Sunday in Indy.
     
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  26. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I hope I am wrong, but I don’t hold much hope for RT this season. I mean, someone on a Dolphin podcast I was listening to described how he felt with a similar injury. Basically he said he was never pain free, and it felt like his shoulder was grinding on sand every time he moved it. Major props to RT for gutting it out, but I just don’t see anyone playing at a high level, especially what we all expect, with a shoulder like that. No offense to RT or to anyone who thinks differently.
     
  27. KeyFin

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    Hey, it's hope....that's all we can ask for in week 10. And if he's hurting some then pound the football, pound it some more, and keep pounding until Stills breaks free over the top. I'd be perfectly content if he only throws 4 passes per game and they're all bombs.
     
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  28. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    What new wrinkle do you all think we will see on offense against Indy?

    Me? I am hoping we will see some more 12 and 02 groupings and see our TE emerge more in the passing game. When we took Gesicki, I think we all hoped we would be more TE focused, especially in the green zone, but so far that really hasn't been the case. I understand Gase will probably stick with plays RT is comfortable with so on the surface it doesn't seem TE will be much of a factor except to help protect. However, it would be kind of a nice surprise and give us some other options considering the injuries to WR we have had.
     
  29. KeyFin

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    Well, we really don't have a lot of people to throw to at this point- Stills, Carroo and anyone else really needs to step up. Parker says he's playing (it's not official yet) so who knows there. Gisecki would be a natural choice if we're confident enough in our line to be able to handle the rush with him signaling pass pre-snap. I'd love to see more OLeary as well.

    I think the way to victory these next few games is on the ground though- we're going to have to pound the football to give RT enough time to get his game back. I would encourage Tannehill to use his legs as well; keep em guessing and play fast. We have slim pickings on offense so we're going to have to take some chances and get physical....that's what turned around 2016.
     
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  30. canesz06

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    Oohhh...... Tannehill is back. We're going to the super bowl
     

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