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A More Vocal Tannehill...?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Curious why the blame game seems to be between the TE and the QB....I like Gase, but to me that is not an ideal situation to call that play. Rookie TE vs top notch CB, when the defense couldn't stop 26 or 21.
     
  2. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Catch man technique is when a DB will sit, flat-footed, just past the depth that the WR will likely cut and the DB will collide with the receivers at their break.

    It's effective in the redzone b/c either the receiver runs over the defender resulting in OPI, or he is forced to make his break early, declaring how the DB will play the route. The DB will then read the upfield shoulder of the reciever (basically which way he turns/cuts), and when his upfield shoulder turns back, you turn into him and play the ball.
     
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  3. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    6'6" vs 5'11". Gesicki must win. It's why we drafted him as a redzone threat.

    It'll take a year or two for him to get familiar with the pro game, and develop chemistry with Tannehill. I have no problem with the call, it's the execution that we need to work on.
     
  4. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    A hot or sight adjustment is an option route in a sense, triggered by a defensive blitz call.

    Does that address your question?
     
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  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Right. This is why I dont like trying this play in this spot. He's not very experienced and up against a pro bowler.
     
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  6. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Well no you've already answered it previously. I was asking about the iso fade thinking it had to do with basic man vs zone id when lining up(inside vs outside leverage). I knew hot route but had a brain fart.
     
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  7. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    He isn't going to get any experience unless he's on the field for the real thing, but I see your point in that Butler is a very sound DB and there was probably a better matchup to be made. Then again, 6'6" vs 5'11", you'd like to see our guy win with ease.
     
  8. KeyFin

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    Six foot six plus that massive wingspan. You're probably talking a full foot of wiggle room where Butler had no chance to make a play....even in perfect coverage. My thought is that when you have that advantage from the snap, why throw that corner fade timing route in the first place? Just line him up at TE, let him take 5 steps then turn around for the easy jump ball 9-10 feet in the air. Or do the same on a little slant. That whole play just seemed unnecessary to me when your guy has all the advantages.
     
  9. Surfs Up 99

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    Thank you for explaining the nuances of that particular play. If we get sidetracked in the blaming game and I'm right/ you're wrong quagmire, then how are we going to learn anything worthwhile and productive? Thanks for reminding us of what's important.
     
  10. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Gentlemen, (and any Gentleladies present) I have been watching football since before the AFL was born (there are probably a few others who have that same accumulation of birthdays - but I digress) - and in those years I have never seen a perfect game. I have read about a couple by some legendary players, but they could have been fabrications because of a slow sports morning edition paper - (which was the only way we got news back then!) But, I have just about reached the point that I consider all that we have done here on this thread is beat the dead snot out of a dead horse! TTFN!
    NEXT THREAD Please!
     
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  11. Patster1969

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    I've enjoyed reading the last page & a half of this thread, as being in the UK and never having played the game, I am learning interesting little nuggets with guys like Carmen breaking down the subtle parts of the game. I am ok on the basic concepts, having watched the game a long time but it's the little things like the breakdown of the fade route that make the game even more interesting to me - thanks all :smile:
     
  12. Two Tacos

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    I'm too lazy to Google it, but I remember reading that on 40 yrd passes Wallace in Pittsburgh caught 25% of targets, in Miami that dropped to 24%. Main difference was the number of targets in Pittsburgh. There have also been numerous article's and posts debunking the Tannehill deep ball myth.
     
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  13. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    There are numerous articles “debunking” and “proving” everything in this country.

    Relying on articles is not the best idea imo.

    You guys just can’t accept that it was a bad marriage and want to direct it all to the race car and not the race car driver.

    It’s simply not true. But that rarely stops people in this day and age, so yea. It was Wallace’s fault they couldn’t hook up on big plays. You win.
     
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  14. danmarino

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    I think most people understand that the problems between RT and Wallace included both. However, Wallace just isn't that great of a WR. He's fast and if the ball is delivered perfectly he will catch it. But he's not going to go and get the ball. He was able to get behind the defense more often in Pittsburgh because Ben had all the time in the world to throw and that allowed Ben to have to be not as accurate. When you're RT and have less than 2 seconds in the pocket before you're clobbered you're not going to be able to have the luxury of waiting for Wallace to get 5 yards past his defender and thus the pass would need to be perfect each time. That's just not reasonable when you're talking about 40 yard passes.
     
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  15. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    That’s the thing. When you can anticipate and lay it out there.....he just needs to be even and you throw it because you can anticipate the separation.

    He struggled with that, he seeked out help in the 15 offseason and got better.
     
  16. Two Tacos

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    Thanks! I needed a win today.
     
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  17. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Nice accuracy on that long pass to a wide open Wilson. You lol'ing now?
     
  18. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Every QB in the league misses deep throws.

    Let's see the deep passing stats after the year is over.
     
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  19. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, I know. That's probably what you do whenever anybody presents you with facts. You're a bad poster, a bad fan, and you should feel bad.

    Another Sunday for you that you have to wallow in misery because the Dolphins won.
     
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  20. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Truer words have never been spoken.
     
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  21. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, yeah, you have to wait til the end of the year to get the final stats. That's why they're called final stats.

    The difference is, the deep TD pass to Kenny Stills in game 1 is more consistent with where he left off in 2016- the statistics you continue to ignore. That's why I posted what I posted.
     
  22. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    His 2016 deep ball stats don't fit YOUR narrative. Factually.
     
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  23. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure:

     
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  24. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Great pass to stills
     
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  25. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    I'll give you credit, there canesz!
     
  26. Not So Fast

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    That deep ball to Parker was good too.
     
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  27. eltos_lightfoot

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    Fourth in the NFL in passer rating...
     
  28. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill looked great today, huh?
     
  29. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    He sure missed Tunsil, but yea that was garbage.
     
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