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A More Vocal Tannehill...?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    That was all on Wallace who had the catch radius of a mosquito and ran all his deep routes one inch from the sideline denying tannehill a complete side. It's no coicindence that once stills became the long ball threat and with his much better route running that tannehil started connecting. Wallace sucked. I have no idea why you keep defending him by blaming tannehill.
     
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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    this is every quarterback who has ever played in the nfl. Guess they were all mediocre
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Wallace was the worst "50/50 ball" player I have ever seen.
     
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  4. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yea. I think above average to pretty good.

    He isn’t a franchise changer by any means, but he drives Gase’s offense very very well.

    We can win games with him with a good running game and solid Defense. He’s not going to carry this team but frankly only about 4-5 guy’s actually could.

    I’m happy with our QB situation.
     
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  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Well....yea.....that’s not his game. Anyone who thought he was brought here for Tannehill to throw him
    50/50 balls was setting themselves up for disappointment.
     
  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Mike Wallace had the highest QB rating when throwing to him on deep balls last year. The dude is an old man by NFL speed guy accounts.

    Not a coincidence that Joe Flacco and Big Ben had deep success with him while old Tannehill and Teddy Bridgewater did not.

    Tannehill struggled leading him on 9 routes. Not sure why this is so hard for some to accept.
     
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  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    flacco loved him so much they got rid of him just like we did. he's on his 4th team in five years and even though he still has his speed only makes 2 million per year. those arent the numbers of good receivers

    his numbers in baltimore are similar to here but they got rid of him for the same reason we did. how many passes he dropped. the guy probably left as many yards on the field in drops, bad positioning, etc as he did actual yards caught in both baltimore and miami
     
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  8. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    What does that have to do with Tannehill not being able to get him the ball on deep routes?
     
  9. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Maybe all true....but he was open on the 9 route quite often in his time here and rarely was the ball catchable.

    Facts dont care about your feelings on this one.

    Lets all move on and just be happy it isn't an issue any longer.
     
  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    "But his time in Baltimore probably was over after his dropped passes in a crushing loss to the Cincinnati Bengals in the season finale, which eliminated the Ravens from the postseason. Those mistakes were punctuated this offseason, when Baltimore coach John Harbaugh repeatedly talked about getting receivers who can catch the ball. The Ravens then signed John Brown, a younger deep threat who has shown better hands than Wallace over his career."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-...led-end-of-mike-wallaces-underappreciated-run
     
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  11. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Address the question, coward.

    I wasn't asking about the poor throw from Tannehill.
     
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  12. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    XX
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Half the passes thrown on the 9 route to Wallace could have been caught by a competant receiver. the facts are on Tannehill's side not Wallace's
     
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  14. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    You're straight up insufferable. I've charted the team going back to '09. I wasn't trying to avoid a situation here, just stated the last year he was here and therefore the last time I watched tape on him in Miami.

    Mike Wallace has always just been a speed threat, not a deep threat, with poor route running skills and below average hands that capped his ceiling from becoming a consistent formidable receiving threat.
     
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  15. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yikes. I suggest you re-watch those plays.

    Or actually no reason too.

    All the film guys Ive asked about this and not one of them want to bring the plays to the table to hash it out, so I certainly do not expect you to change your mind.

    Go Phins.
     
  16. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    He did the same thing here as he did in Pittsburgh. I'll let you genuises breakdown why it worked so well there and not so much here.

    He was behind the defense, the ball didn't get to him very often. This is so much simpler than everyone wants to make it.
     
  17. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    So simple you don't even understand the nuances of the passing game?

    Well then. I'll let you be alone with your K.I.S.S mentality and leave it at that.
     
  18. Fin-O

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    If you are so right then simply prove me wrong. In the time you waste being a condescending **********, you could've broken those 12 plays down into GIF's. :chuckle:
     
  19. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Coward huh? Well I'd say he didnt run the route very well but again it doesn't matter cause that pass that your hero threw was one of the worst back end zone fade passes that I have ever seen. Someone as utterly useless as you could have broken that pass up. No, i take that back. You probably suck as bad at football as you most likely do at life and as terrible as that pass was, it would have been a td if you were covering him
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    This post is so wrong and so stupid.

    It was a horrible throw by RT, but if Gesicki had ran a perfect route, instead of falling flat on his face, he could of had a chance to at least knock the pass down. Now, don't get me wrong, I put 99% of the blame on RT, but pretending that it was a pass so bad that there was nothing Gesicki could have done about it is just false. Your biased and unless the Dolphins win a Super Bowl with RT he will always suck in your eyes. Did Dan Marino suck in your eyes, too?
     
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  21. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    My post is wrong and stupid? You yourself agreed that it was terrible pass. That pass was getting picked no matter what. He threw it right to the defender. There was zero arc on that ball and it was severely under thrown. Did Dan Marino suck in my eyes? Now who's being stupid?
     
  22. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Please re-read my post and comprehend it this time.

    I'll help you a little...I wasn't disagreeing with the fact that it was a horrid pass...It's your refusal to look at anything BUT RT's mistakes that made the post stupid.
     
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  23. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Re-read mine and try your best to understand. Do I need to type slower for you to follow along? I comprehended your ramblings and provided a retort. No matter what Gesicki did, short of tackling the defender, that ball was getting picked and that's iffy, cause the ball was thrown right to him. That was 100% Tannehills fault.
     
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  24. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    We're not arguing the poor throw, but If Gesicki runs proper fade route, he's in position to make a play/defend the ball.
     
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  25. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    If he ran a proper fade route, he would have been even deeper in the end zone and farther away from the ball. The ball had zero arc on it.
     
  26. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Really? Care to explain how to run an iso fade?

    [awaits for generic googled answer]
     
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  27. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    The ball came out flat & wet to a spot Gesiki had no idea it was going to until he was already committed to go over the defender. Running it derper wouldn't matter, it was a **** throw.
     
  28. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    OK. We've all come to the obvious conclusion it was a poor throw, so I'll pose the same question to you:

    Care to explain how to run an iso fade?
     
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  29. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    No thanks coach, I'll let you explain it to me. I've watched the game once, I may watch it again. I don't watch them 100 times each. Explain the Isolation Fade route, is that a hot route concept based on 1v1? Was it a specific route called before getting to the line? Tell me how Gesicki can take any blame? I'm not denying, I just didn't see it.
     
  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No one is blaming Gesicki. canesz06 made a claim that even if Gesicki would have run the perfect route the ball would have been intercepted. He's claiming that the throw was incapable of not being intercepted.

    That's just false.

    But again, he refuses to take his lumps and instead dies on a hill covered in his own poop. lol
     
  31. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    That’s exactly what he has been trying to do. You might actually learn something if you listen, since you don’t want to watch the all-22 footage of the game in extreme detail. Maybe listen to those that do.
     
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  32. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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  33. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    I explained the short yardage Iso Fade in Club:

    Here's why it's important. It was man coverage, not zone, so the defender's eyes will stay on the receiver. In zone he would watch the QB. So if Gesicki gets vertical, wins outside leverage while staying tight, and runs the route how it's supposed to be run, the CB naturally opens his hips to the sideline and is forced to play Gesicki, thus greatly reducing the chance of an INT.

    Instead, Gesicki is is bullied off the line as the CB funnels him horizontally, and the CB is able to stay square to the LOS allowing him to make a play on the ball with much more proficiency.
     
  34. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    I'm not playing some ****ing blame game here, folks. We're breaking the play down as a team. Each individual must do his part and both participants in this play were equally bad. Both Tannehill and Gesicki could have done a better job at preventing the INT.
     
  35. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    So basically that's what he should have ran when he saw press man?
     
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  36. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Well I appreciate the explanation, I dont have club membership. I didnt understand how Gesicki had any fault in this specific play. I thought it was all Tanny and you shed some light on it for me.
     
  37. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Correct. You're going to see either a jam technique or catch man coverage in 1v1 situations in the redzone near the goalline, and the receiver has to win off the release for the timing to pair up with the pass.

    A perfect throw can make up for some route errors, but the endzone fade is already one of the most difficult throws to complete.
     
  38. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    A hot route, or sight adjustment, is used when the offense faces an overload blitz which the o-line is unable to protect so the route is quickly shortened (usually a slant or sit route) to avoid a sack or loss of yards.
     
  39. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Whats catch man coverage? Funneling coverage inside for help?
     
  40. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    I meant option.
     

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