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Torry McTyer turning heads

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Read the rest: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-mctyer-20180728-story.html

    Dolphins cornerback Torry McTyer did everything right on his interception in Friday’s practice. While defending wide receiver Jakeem Grant, McTyer read the slant pattern, jumped the route and finished by using his blazing speed to intercept the pass.

    Coaches noticed that play, just as they have the others McTyer has made. That’s why McTyer lined up with the first team for a few snaps Saturday. In past years youngsters would have to show their stuff for a few days before getting snaps with the first team. Things are different now.

    “I’ve told the defensive staff ‘Let’s not wait around,’ ” Gase said. “ ‘If we feel like a guy is playing well, give him opportunities, especially with the first group. They feel like he’s played well enough to be put into that spot and compete with that first group.”

    The Dolphins are routinely rotating starters on both sides of the ball. But few expected McTyer to earn snaps with the first team so early in training camp.

    Perhaps this is the result of the offseason work McTyer did back home in Los Angeles, with former Dolphins cornerback Jamar Taylor (now with Arizona), among others. McTyer said he’s added eight pounds of muscle (he’s up to 190 pounds) while still maintaining his 4.3-second 40-yard dash speed.

    “I just want to come out here and do what I can do to help the team win,” he said. “So whatever that is, it is what it is.”
     
  2. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    You can NEVER EVER have enough CBs, so this is good news. Still training camp though, so I need to see what he does in the preseason.
     
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  3. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I think I gotta ask the million dollar question:

    Is this more of a story of McTyer's blossoming or more of a story Tankersley and Lippett being disappointments?

    This should be Tankersley's job to lose, right?
     
  4. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It sounded like he was making the most of the opportunity with plays. You make plays you get noticed.
     
  5. Phinsfan92

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    Why does one of our players stepping up have to be viewed in a negative light, with the assumption it’s moreso our other players disappointing?

    Jesus Christ.
     
  6. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I think we're going to be fairly deep at Corner this year. I assumed it was Tanks job to lose, but then we started reading reports of Lippett getting burn with the first unit. Now McTyer has entered the conversation. Look, I don't think it's a bad thing to have five competent cornerbacks on this team (counting McCain). I doubt the Davis kid makes the team, but we will go into the season with five defensive backs that are all capable. That's not a bad thing at all in my opinion. They are all going to play quite a bit I imagine. Injuries to happen, guys do get tired. Our secondary overall is looking really solid. Definitely the strength of our defense.
     
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  7. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm I gotta ask me another one of those question things you kinda struggle with.

    Is everything outta Dolphins' camp puppies and unicorns or just some of the stuff?
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I have been paying attention to Miami Dolphin mini camps for a long time. I do not remember many stories of cornerbacks looking good in camp and then not looking good once pads come on.

    Wide receivers, on the other hand, there is at least one every year.
    This year's Brian Manning award is looking to go to Isiah Ford.
     
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  9. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Except I'd never heard of Brian Manning until we drafted him. Isaiah Ford was a stud at a major program.
     
  10. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Until our team proves otherwise, pre-season optimism is all we got. :-)
     
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  11. CaribPhin

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    The thing about McTyer jumping up is that none of the first-team guys have been demoted. Lippett has played near-elite level football at times in his career and Tankersley is a young guy who the staff has seen solid football from on Sunday and likely improvement considering he was penciled in at the starter spot to start camp.
     
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  12. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Our corner and safety depth is looking ridiculous.. If our offense does it's job and scores early, we could have a very successful season.
     
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  13. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    I would think tank would get the nod provided he doesn't blow assignments. which was really his only problem last year. I like lippett as the 3rd boundary

    tanks made less "business decisions" in the nfl than he did in college.
     
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  14. KeyFin

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    I think the biggest story of camp so far is how Howard is shutting down Parker completely.
     
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  15. Sceeto

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    Dope
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jmo I didnt see a stud in college..
     
  17. Tin Indian

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    not sure why it's a story that Parker is disappointing, Again!

    Just kidding!

    Howard is clearly playing well, as far as the other three, I think it is the most interesting camp battle we have going on.
    It's a very good problem to have, 3 guys fighting for one spot and all are playing well.
     
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  18. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I am hoping these guys really come on. People have concerns about our DL, and rightfully so, but I hope if our secondary comes on strong it will help with the pass rush. Nothing like a good ole coverage sack. :-). It might not help our run D though. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a unit rated among the best in the NFL to help raise the bar and give our guys confidence we are on the right track?
     
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  19. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Ford...Avg 70 rec, 1000 yds, 8Tds at VaTech. I guess we see it differently.
     
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  20. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I didn't take a look at Ford until after the draft, but I saw some impressive traits. WR is one of those positions that you can get late and have them be as good as the early picks. He has good size and I saw suddenness in his breaks. I felt he was better at getting separation than Parker was. I felt he got his separation due to his athleticism rather through savvy route running. I felt he needed more strength. He tracked the ball well and had decent quick jumping ability. I would say it was a wash between Ford and Parker at high-pointing the ball or winning contested catches. Parker is stronger and more physical, but I don't think he tracked the ball as well. He wasn't as good after the catch as Parker. I don't think he was as fast as Parker, but I do think Ford plays faster than he times. I also thought Ford was better at getting deep. I think it goes back to that suddenness in his breaks that helped him get over the top better despite less top end speed. He was productive in college. Like with any position, most of the success will depend on who puts in the work, but I saw enough talent there to give him a shot. He may have really benefitted from that injury and getting a year to focus on getting stronger.


    IMO most WR evals are focused on the wrong things. We focus too much on size and speed. The most important determinants of success are an ability to get separation, good hands (duh!), instincts to track the ball and a enough work ethic and intelligence. A guy like Antonio Brown, who I think may be the toughest cover in the league, came in being great at getting separation b/c he had great suddenness and not much else. Everything else we could measure was pretty average or even below average. His hands were okay but nothing special. He struggled with contested catches. He clearly needed more strength. He had below average size. His speed was good, just under 4.5, but not incredible. I thought he was decent to good at tracking the ball. He was productive in college at a small school. IMO he was successful in the NFL b/c he was good at getting separation, could track the ball in the air and had an incredible work ethic. That work ethic was applied to his route running and hands (two things you can definitely improve). It's difficult, if not impossible, to predict who'll have that great work ethic at the next level. But if a guy comes in able to get separation and track the ball and seems to have enough intelligence and work ethic then he's worth a shot and can easily be better than the guys with monster speed/size ratios who get drafted in the first round. Obviously, I'm not saying that Ford is Antonio Brown, but I am saying that if a guy can get separation and track the ball coming out then there's no reason to put a ceiling on his potential. I'm anxious to watch him in some actual games on this level.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    I think Parker’s tracking skills are much better than Ford, Parker’s hand eye coordination is superb imo, I see Ford struggle at times when the ball is in the air with his hand as far as positioning.

    His worth ethic seems to be on point though..

    Just wanna keep his draft status and roster spot in persoective, I’m definitely gonna look at that 6th wide receiver at practice and scrimmage this week..
     
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  22. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Curious to hear what you see, but I'd suggest you forget about draft status and just evaluate the player. I don't think Gase would hesitate to cut ties with the higher picked guy if he sees the value. I don't think it's likely that we cut Parker, but I wouldn't be shocked if Ford cut into Parker's snaps this season and was promising enough that we move on from Parker next year. I just get the impression that in this whole culture change where we're bringing in smart, hard workers who understand how to be a professional that Parker is just a remnant that we're hoping will get it but hasn't.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Draft status??

    I’m not sure what your talking about..

    Talent for talent ford is not in Parker’s league imo, now if you wanna talk about the other reasons besides pure talent that he possesses over Parker I understand..

    I’ll give you smart, and hard working, and how to be a pro.
     
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  24. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    You said draft status in your post. I merely responded that I didn't think it was important at this point in the eval.

    Ford also is better at getting separation. That was my knock on Parker coming out and I see it as critical to succeeding in the NFL. As I explained above, I don't believe people focus on the right things when evaluating WR "talent". I doubt anybody would have argued that Antonio Brown was talent for talent in the same league as Parker if you compared them coming out, for whatever that mattered.
     
  25. Fin-O

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    I don’t think the Dolphins can keep both Ford and Parker on the roster.

    Can/will the Dolphins risk losing Ford if they try to stash him on the PS?

    If he keeps playing well through camp/preseason I think you have a huge logjam at WR and Parker for a 4th would be something you would have to swallow hard and consider.

    We aren’t cutting Stills/Grant/Wilson or Amendola. So the trajectory is leaning toward lose Ford and keep Parker or vice versa.
     
  26. Redwine4all

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    when a "contender" loses a Wr, there will be a market.
     
  27. Surfs Up 99

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    If so, would you trade Parker?
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I focus on the right things.
     
  29. mbsinmisc

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    I wouldn't give him away, but rewarding the right players is important to your football team.

    I doubt we could get a 3rd, but I would settle for a 4th.
     
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  30. rafael

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    The knock on Parker coming out was that he struggled getting separation. Three years later he's only at in breaking routes where he can use his body as a shield to compensate for the lack of separation. If he does not get a second contract here that will be a big reason why and something too many people didn't focus on when they gave him that first round grade.
     
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  31. Redwine4all

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    Yes, I would. Its forward thinking to do so...we are very crowded and have a lot of young talent, even beyond Ford, who I do think is going to be a good player.

    I'd try to squeeze a team for maybe a 3rd and 6th. But I would go for a 4th and 7th.
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    I see what your saying with Parker, I don’t think he has some great separation ability..But his talent level is much better overall than Ford..I also see what you mean when you prioritize work ethic and professionalism, I’m just not willing to give up Parker yet.
     
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  33. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I understand what you mean and don't know what I would do. I imagine it's pretty tough to get a handle on where guys are at right now because it's still early in camp. I can only go by what others are saying. The biggest concern I have with giving up on a guy is that the light eventually comes on for them for the other team and the trade/ cut comes back to haunt us. The underachieving Parker may be someone who has a better chance at screwing us than some others.
     
  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the discrepancy Between the two players in this discussion is large, keep parker
     
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  36. Fin-O

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    Didn’t Gase say he wasn’t gonna wait around? If someone is stepping up he was going to give them 1st team reps.

    I think that is a great approach. He doesn’t owe anything to Tank or Lippett. You want those reps? Outplay him.
     
  37. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    ^^^THIS^^^ a thousand times over!!! No one’s position should be “secure”. If you want to play, then outplay your competition
     
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  38. rafael

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    It is a pleasant change. Gase, and most coaches for that matter, tend to be slow to give young players or unheralded players their shot. I don't think this bodes well for other higher pedigreed, but under-performing players like Parker or Caroo.
     
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  39. tirty8

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  40. djphinfan

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    Only head he was turning was his own on Thursday nite, he got beat all over the field
     
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