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Brock Osweiler Signed!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I never expected the Dolphins to sign him.
     
  2. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Bizarro move, for sure.
     
  3. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    If they draft mayfeild all will be forgiven but Osweiler still sucks anyway you spin it.
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I'm not sure how I feel about this signing. Osweiler's success in Denver was under Gase's tutelage following Manning's benching in 2015, but this song sounds a bit familiar to me with Jay Cutler.

    The main differences though between Cutler and Osweiler is Cutler never "un-retired" when Gase talked him in to coming to Miami and Osweiler isn't being signed to be the starter.

    I don't believe this is anything to "panic" over.
     
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  5. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    He definitely isn't coming here to be a starter, but we also don't need to just go into the season with Tannehill and him as the only backup. I still expect us to draft a guy in the second, third, or fourth round. Assweiler sucks as a starter, but I could deal with him for a game or two if necessary. If something tragic happens to Tannehill again, I would feel much more comfortable with a rookie in waiting over just suffering through the remaining portion of the season with Assweiler.
     
  6. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    We've got one of the biggest jacks of all got elected President of the United States. And comparing abusing a woman to voicing an unpopular opinion thru sock media, is ignorant.
     
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  7. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    If I have to hear this well it's going to be ok because he knows Gase's system crap one more time I'll barf. Give me a month, some film room time and the playbook and I'LL KNOW GASE'S system. Cbrad could give you detailed statistical analysis of the success rate for every play. Doesn't mean I would be able to throw a 5 yd out accurately. I might be able to take the snap and run backwards a yard or two. Bad QBs are bad QBs and Block is one of the worst.
     
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  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    The more I read about Osweiler, the more I like the guy. All these trades and he basically had one great year in Denver, one average year in Texas, and then a few solid games back in Denver again. The big negative associated with the guy is that the Texans grossly overpaid him....that's their fault though.

    I mean, if Houston called you today and wanted to sign you for $15M a year, would you say no??!?? Of course not.

    The more I look at the guy, the more I like him as a solid backup that could potentially move to starter if RT doesn't work out. I'm not expecting that to happen but I do like the pickup.
     
  9. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    If Assweiler moved to starter it would be because Tannehill's leg fell off and the mechanical one we replaced it with had an issue with the bearing in it and we had to send it back to Amazon to get it fixed. I'm fine with Assweiler as a backup, and he can even hold it down for a game or two, but if at some point he becomes the full time starter, it's because the season is over.
     
  10. cbrad

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    If Osweiler is the backup we're in worse shape at backup QB than we were with Matt Moore. The graph below shows what percent of each QB's passer ratings are below each possible passer rating. I adjusted all passer ratings to a common year first (2017) before plotting because a lot of Moore's games occurred way back in 2007-2011 when league average passer rating was lower. Anyway.. I'm hoping Osweiler is just camp fodder.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Exactly!Should have kept moore!
    Maybe we will get lucky and mayfield drops.
     
  12. KeyFin

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    I think I'm Matt Moore's biggest fan, but he's concussion prone and a severe gamble as any team's QB 2. I would LOVE to keep him as our QB3 but we all know that's not going to happen after the Cutler debacle. I'm pretty sure he just retires.
     
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  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    What's even further ignorant is blasting our current President for alleged misconduct and on the other side of the coin, singing praises of a past President who actually raped a woman and sexually assaulted at least 3 others.

    Now if you are one of those, then wear the shoe that fits. If not, then disregard.
     
  14. Fin D

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    It doesn't matter.

    If Thill went down in the preseason again, Moore might get us 6 wins, Brock might get us 4....so what? At this point I'd rather have the cheaper alternative.
     
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  15. KeyFin

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    That's the thing though- if RT went down, there's no chance they start Moore after they skipped him last season for Cutler. Moore wants out and the Dolphins don't want to apologize, so they had no choice at all except to bring someone else in. But even if he did stay, wouldn't they just skip over him again for a Cutler 2.0?

    I think we would have won more games last season with Moore instead of Cutler....if Moore could stay healthy. It's now a lose/lose situation though and we had to grab someone.
     
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  16. Silverphin

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    That's the main caveat.
     
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  17. Sceeto

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    Man, this was a big off-season fart...
     
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  18. Irishman

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    Clear and concise, but a little short on elegance!
     
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  19. TheHighExhaulted

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    Assweiler. Creative! Did it take long to come up with that?
     
  20. Puka-head

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    Block Arsewiper
     
  21. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I'm disregarding and you are missing the point.
     
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  22. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Back to the topic at hand regarding Osweiler. I went back and read a lot of the comments pertaining to him...how "terrible" Osweiler is, yada yada yada...

    Now I stated earlier that this song of reuniting Osweiler and Gase is a familiar song I've heard before...and I further stated there are two major differences between Cutler and Osweiler; Cutler never un-retired and Osweiler wasn't being signed to be our starter. That's important to keep in mind.

    In 2015, following Peyton Manning's benching for his poor performance, Osweiler (under the tutalege of Gase) started 7 games and posted a record of 5-2. That's not too shabby, particularly when you take into account that football is a TEAM sport, so here's what everyone pulling out the Gallagher watermelon smashing sledgehammers need to look at completely before swinging said hammer...

    -How confident are you with the coaching staff?
    -How confident are you with the OL?
    -How confident are you with the running game?
    -How confident at you with the defense?

    You express doubts on any or all of the above, then Osweiler as a back-up is the absolute LEAST of your concerns as we all know that poor play by any of the above can result in a catastrophic day for the TEAM...regardless of who is under center.

    Food for thought
     
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  23. Carmen Cygni

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    '15 Broncos OC Rick Dennison and QB coach Gregg Knapp.

    Gase was the Bears OC in '15.

    Also, speaking of your team sport comment while stating QB win/loss records is quite ironic . . .

     
  24. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I know right....I'm a genius! Nobody else would have came up with that. Thanks for love. Troll harder next time.
     
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  25. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If I had to guess, I'd go with you polled a kindergarten classroom.
     
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  26. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Hahahaha no doubt. Ya got me lol.
     
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  27. tirty8

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    It sounds kind of absurd, but this is not anything new for the NFL. Josh Allen, who some regard as the number one pick in the draft, has the exact same problem. There will certainly be a team that gives at least a first round pick and possible more for a QB that is generally not accurate with the hopes that he can be taught to be accurate.

    That being said, if he cannot improve his accuracy, there is a chance that he could not even make the team.

    But here is the part that I like. The last year-and-a-half was a disaster for Brock. He clearly was not the answer in Houston. They traded him to Cleveland and gave them a 2nd round pick to take his salary. Cleveland never actually wanted him, but they kept him around in order to try and flip him for another draft pick and to appease the NFL. After spending an offseason learning a system that he would never play in and the Browns being unable to trade him, he was released. He then went back to the Broncos after they lost two quarterbacks in a short time frame with a similar cast of skill positions, but a different head coach. Additionally, the offensive line was a shell of the Super Bowl winning team that he once captained.

    That being said, it appears that he was set up by circumstance to fail in Cleveland and Denver. At best, the situations were less than optimal. I would certainly concede that his lack of accuracy is his own fault and ultimately was the root of his failure. I just don't think that last season was an optimum situation for improving his skillset. I think he is better served by spending time with a team that wanted to have him on their roster.

    I think that Brock's reclamation is worth taking on. If he shows signs of improvement, he is worth a roster spot. If not, I would not oppose to cutting him.
     
  28. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree, and we can learn most of what we need to know before the final roster is even set. We literally have nothing to lose in this signing and everything to gain.
     
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  29. Hoops

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    I’ve seen osweiler be the direct reason games are lost and single handedly beat his own team with his play.

    Saw plenty of that with jay cutler too in 2017

    Gase can only hide a qb so much as a play caller.
     
  30. The_Dark_Knight

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    Not really ironic at all seeing how so many of you talk as if the only person on the team that plays is the quarterback
     
  31. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    If Isweiler was signed to be our starter then I could see your concern
     
  32. Hoops

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    osweilers like matt moore in that it's the theory of diminishing returns in action.

    you aren't gonna change that tigers stripes.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Who available should we have signed and how much money would you be willing to spend on backup?
     
  34. Carmen Cygni

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    Not me, bub. Good luck finding any such insinuation in any of my posts.
     
  35. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    you can't go an entire season with the qb never carrying a top 5 grade in any game and expect to win football games

    not when you play d the level Miami did in 2017...the d carried us and kept us afloat the first quarter of the season. but once it came down to earth our level of qb play was always gonna send us home

    and it did.
     

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