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Suh to be cut?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I became a fan of the Dolphins in 1966. I attended the first game the Dolphins played and I was a season ticket holder for over 40 years. My wife and I traveled to numerous away games, including the Dolphins first game in London.

    Prior to moving to Hawaii a few years ago, I attended over 350 Dolphin games in person. The only time I would travel during the season was if my wife and I were going to a Dolphin away game. Otherwise our traveling was limited to the months the Dolphins were not playing.

    Since moving to Hawaii and watching the disaster with Ross as the owner, I now play golf during the morning when the Dolphin game is on. I record the game and I have learned to find out the score before watching the game. I no longer waste my time watching the recording if the Dolphins lost that day.

    This year my wife and I are are traveling for six weeks throughout Australia and New Zealand. We will be leaving the last week of October and won’t return home until December. When I was younger, I would have never imagined that I would miss 6 weeks of Dolphin games. Yet I am looking forward to traveling this year far more than I am looking forward to watching this team play.

    Ross has done something I always though was impossible. He has turned this once diehard Dolphin fan into someone who just finds it hard to give a damn anymore. My hope is that he will soon realize that he has no clue as an NFL owner and he will sell the team ASAP.

    At least I no longer spend my hard earned retirement money on this franchise. That is one thing I am thankful for. I just hope that before I become worm food, the Dolphins give me a reason to care about them again. Because right now, I just don’t feel it.
     
  2. dolphin25

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    He already got a DT
     
  3. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I was like that for many many years. Ear and Wannstadt ruined that for me
     
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  4. mlb1399

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    The problem with Suh is he was the wrong signing at the wrong time. We weren’t one DT away from being a condyender then and we still aren’t. By the time this team is ready to compete, he will be long gone anyways. Might as well start rebuilding now. What you build this team around, now that’s the question...
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    LOL!! I was about to post this exact same thing!

    "Suh is paid too much! This FO SUCKS!"

    "They just cut our best defensive player! This FO SUCKS!"
     
  6. texanphinatic

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    Everyone should do this anyway. I started not long after the Saban era. That 1-15 misery of Cam Cameron did it. Much happier. I apply the same strategy to all sports. I have a small rooting interest in a few different teams in baseball/hockey. If they win, I get happy and watch. If they don't, I don't bother. Life is too short to be bothered with junk. Now ... the process of building teams? Fascinating to me. Love me some Draft!

    Really need to see the rest of the offseason first, then we can make some judgements.

    Is that not what they are doing?

    For real though, all this *****ing and we have only seen the cut phase, not the addition. These moves though clearly show Gase is in it for the long haul. I wonder how long they were looking at this and the Landry issue.

    This move specifically seems to have some odd timing. Frankly, it seemed more benefit to let him stay and play this year then cut the next. But I guess they have a strategy. Whatever we may feel, I think it will be interesting to see the offseason play out. Are we that convinced that what we have is going to step up? Do we have a solid plan/target list of guys to move the needle? Is this basically a throwaway? If the latter, will the Gase hater crew literally combust?
     
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  7. bigballa2102

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    first off I never even had you in mind when posting that your surely not the only 1 who said it, I was just being vague. Secondly I do hope for super bowl every year, but im a realist when I see the product on the field, moves made by the front office I call what it is to me. I surely not going to sit here and polish a rusted penny. as soon as Miami becomes the shiny penny and I see the product and moves being made to actually help the franchise then I would love to say we are going 13-3 but the past of Miami has me right where we are every year .500 or lower.

    But do I hope Miami somehow goes 14-2 ad make the big game you better believe yourself im right there with everyone hoping and wishing but hoping and actually whats going to happen are 2 different things.
     
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  8. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    very true, it can be salvaged no doubt in that.
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Howso?

    Suh has been a Dolphin for 3 years and his overall impact has been questionable to say the least ....... at least in terms of value you're getting for $20+ million a season.
     
  10. pumpdogs

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    Not with these morons in charge
     
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  11. mooseguts

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    Neither of those statements are inaccurate though. I think we can all agree that Suh was overpaid and short of J.J Watt impact was never going to and has never lived up to the contract this incompetent front office signed him to. But at the same time just because he is over paid does not mean he is not our best defensive player.

    Given the amount of dead money it doesn't make sense to release him at this point, and if money was such an issue why trade for Quinn?
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Suh played at an All pro level while here. There can always be an argument about how much a player is worth, but Suh wasn't the problem on defense and neither was his salary. He gobbled up double teams like a fat kid eating cake. He was great. His teammates failed to show up time and time again. THEY were the problem.

    Suh will most likely be a post-June 1 designated cut. This will free up $17m in cap space and spread out the dead money hit over two seasons.
     
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  13. pumpdogs

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    CJ Anderson on trade block.I wouldn't be suprised if these dummies go get.him.
     
  14. mooseguts

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    I agree his play was not an issue but he has not lived up to his contract by no fault of his own rather the person who made the offer. He'd have to get after the QB at Aaron Donalds pace and be one of the best run defenders in the NFL which is just not fair to expect from him.

    If his salary was not an issue they wouldn't have plans to cut him. If he had a Gerald McCoy contract he probably stays.

    https://overthecap.com/position/defensive-line/
     
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  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'd suspect that if they had a better defense he wouldn't be getting cut. Regardless of his contract. I mean, it was a lot of money, but he's the type of player that can make a good defense great. He's been able to make a really bad defense just below or right at average while here.
     
  16. Rock Sexton

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    Trying to stack a defense with the right pieces when one single defensive tackle is sucking up the salaries of multiple players is tough business.

    Let's face it - they signed Suh as a marketing strategy to get more fans in the seats first and foremost.
     
  17. Destroyer

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    Suh was overpaid but we have to live with that. Cutting him now to save 4 million seems stupid.
     
  18. adamprez2003

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    I wonder if we're willing to cut Suh because we think Phillips is ready to dominate or we have our eyes on vita vea in the draft
     
  19. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  20. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's been reported it will be 17 million post June 1st.
     
  21. canesz06

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    Blah blah blah. I don't believe that for a second. It just so happens that the guys that were the issue on the team, happen to arguably be the 3 best players on the team? Sure......This team has been run by idiots this entire century and nothing is different now.
     
  22. invid

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    Decent perspective from Armando. I'll miss having Suh on the team. This is bitter news now, it might not be too sweet until later. When is anybody's guess.
     
  23. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why do you believe he's getting cut?
     
  24. DolfanR

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    It's all about his cap number at the end of the day. He eats up too much of our cap , on the other side of 30 and we save 17 mil. Remember we just got the old lions defensive line coach. Good coaching could change us for the better on both sides of the ball.
     
  25. Rock Sexton

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    This move right now has absolutely nothing to do with idiocy - the word is "REALITY". Suh was owed $28 million this year, $26 million next year, and $22 million after. He wasn't restructuring, so there was only one way this could end up and we've known it since the first day we brought him here.

    The guy is 31 years old and his salary alone could net us some much needed depth and performance - especially at linebacker. Face it, it's hard as hell to load up on cheap players hoping they over-perform just to keep one Ndamukong Suh.

    When you look at all the guys moved on from this team - it's not even just the personalities, it's the fact that they're all freelancers. You don't win anything significant with types like that.
     
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  26. canesz06

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    My guess is money. Its too much of a coincidence that, again, arguably our three best players were all trouble makers. If everyone of our draft picks this year become pro bowlers in their first three years, are they going to be cut cause they are gonna cost too much?
     
  27. canesz06

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    Who cares if they were freelancers? They were 3 of the best players on the team. They made plays. You know who was probably the biggest freelancer we've ever had?Marino. He freelanced all the time. Should be have been traded cause he didnt agree with what shula or Johnson wanted to do and did his own thing?
     
  28. Rock Sexton

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    You're not seriously comparing Suh to Dan Marino are you? Marino could freelance because he WAS the offense. Suh is just a guy and one who needs to be of the most discipline in order for the rest of the defense to succeed. It never made any sense that we used him to occupy blockers when in fact his forte was to attack - but that wasn't our defensive philosophy.

    Regardless of all of that, you're still missing the point. The Dolphins were never committed to paying that outlandish salary on the backside of his contract nor should they have been - not when it means stockpiling the defense behind him with turds at linebacker (especially depth-wise). They tested it for three years and it didn't work.
     
  29. canesz06

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    No, of course I'm not comparing Suh or anyone to Marino. Just comparing the fact that they are all freelancers. Marino was the best player on the team then and suh, Landry and Ajayi were probably the 3 best now. How about get rid of our garbage linebackers and their salaries and find better, cheaper(since that's what this is about) replacements. O-line as well. Why get rid of good players cause they cost too much. Again, good players cost money. Keep the good ones and build a good supporting cast around them. This front office has no idea how to build that supporting cast, so they are gonna free up a bunch of money and bring in quantity over quality and hope they hit on a few of them. Every team has a few core players that the rest of the team is built around. This team just got rid of those 3 core players. Tannehill certainly isn't one and Parker is a joke of a receiver. Landry had more heart and desire to make plays in his little finger than Parker has in his whole body. On defense, wake is a core guy but he's close to the end of his career. The dolphins have no one to build around. A handful of decent players and a bunch of mediocre ones. Get ready for 4 wins next year
     
  30. Irishman

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    I'm not so sure. Suh isn't stupid. He will see what he can get and if it satisfies him he will continue to play. If it doesn't, he can retire with pride and a sound financial base to work from. Do the Patriots give big contracts?
     
  31. Pauly

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    Part of the article that stood out to me was that it was perceived that there is a leadership cacuum in the locker room. Which is a holdover from Philbin’s days of removing any and all locker room leaders because they were a threat to his authority.
     

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