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What's Our #1 Draft Need in Your Opinion??

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Jan 15, 2018.

What Position Do We Need to Fill the Most?

  1. Quarterback

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  2. Running Back

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  3. Wide Receiver

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  4. Offensive Line

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  5. Defensive Line

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  6. Linebacker

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  7. Corner/Safety

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  8. Punter/Kicker

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  9. Tight End

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  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    It's weird though. I can see his posts for a few minutes after he makes them. After awhile they disappear.
     
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  2. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Oh nevermind
     
  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    So the blueprint is to find a Hall of Fame QB and underpay him on the field for a handshake deal that he will cash in after retirement sometime? Let's get right on that!


    As for the Suh rumors, I would not be shocked at all if we are looking to be rid of that onerous contract, but we save next to NOTHING this year by cutting him. Not happening lol. A trade is possible, though I don't see too many takers. Cutting after next year may be possible if the cap hit starts to drop precipitously, but this year is a non-starter.
     
  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    We could have had earl Thomas if I remember correctly instead of odrick and misi.
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You remember correctly.
     
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  6. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Throw a third round pick at the shehacks, or maybe just Landry and we could have Thomas tomorrow. And I would So take that deal.
     
  7. guerteltier

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    First Round pick depends on who the Dolphins will be getting in FA. As it was a Guard (I would prefer Josh Sitton), go after Edmunds or Smith (LBs). As it was Williamson, Bradham or other LBs, go after O-Liners. BUT if there is a possibility to pick Baker Mayfield - pick him!
     
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  8. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I am not sure TE is a #1 need, but I think it is up there. I do have a question though. In Gase’s system, what Type of TE would be best, a combo ( good blocker and receiver) or one that is just a receiver, but blocks like Julian Thomas? The reason why I ask is it seems the top TE in the draft are more of the later. They run routes and catch well, but not so much with blocking. Since they are so predictable, wouldn’t they be vulnerable to a scheme to take them out of the passing play and away from their strength? For example, forcing them to stay home and block a rusher? Thanks for any thoughts.
     
  9. Draconis1410

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    With the trade of Jarvis.

    Do we go WR? Calvin Ridley??
     
  10. Base of Gase

    Base of Gase Active Member

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    Considering how we got fleeced and lost Landry, that changes things drastically.

    If they can snag a duo combination of Calvin Ridley/Michael Gallup and Mike Gesicki/Dallas Goedert in the draft, then I would be happy with that.

    That would do a lot for our offense, both in the short term and long term. It would open up the playbook substantially. I don’t know about anyone else, but having to sit through some of those stagnant offensive games (literally and figuratively) last year was awful.

    The bottom line is I don’t trust DeVante Parker, both as a player and from a medical perspective. The guy just has no heart, and is a liability on the field.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I think we will be targeting a TE with seam busting potential in the draft. I also think Stills can play the slot and Grant can take some of those behind/right at the LOS snaps. I think Parker will move into the right wideout role and Caroo will take the left.

    We also have a couple of guys with potential in Ford and Morgan.
     
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  12. Base of Gase

    Base of Gase Active Member

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    I’d love to see Mike Gesicki in a Dolphin uniform. I hope that we’re fortunate enough to land that kid, he’s exactly what we need. He’s got the goods, legitimately.

    He’d be an integral cog in Gase’s schemes. I know his blocking is abysmal, but I’d like to think with some coaching that they could at least make him mediocre over time - through repetition and practice.
     
  13. hitman8

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    De definitely need to draft a gamebreaking right end. Gesiki, Goedert and Andrews are the three best options in this draft. I would be happy drafting any one of them.
     
  14. Phinsfan92

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    Gesiki might have the most potential as a seam threat, but Hurst is better than all 3 especially at blocking. Only downside is his age, though you can move on after his rookie contract if you wanted so that shouldnt matter.
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Would you rather be a rich winner or a rich loser
    Its a blue print that works
    Whats the feeling worth holding up your hand with a ring on every finger
    Whats the feeling like to play and win a superbowl
    Priceless - cant buy
    Most with this franchise dont have a ring and never will even have the opportunity to sniff one
    Everyone on the team benefits in NE. But you also forget perks and endorsements. I ask you - how much does Winning superbowl QB Tom Brady get to endorse Under Armor and Ugg (7 million a yr) vrs Ryan Tannhill.
    Then Im gonna flip the thought and state if the player, and I dont.care who, is only worried about being the highest paid at his position - I DONT WANT HIM ON MY TEAM - he can.go play somewhere else
    WHY YOU MIGHT ASK - because he doesnt.fit my blue print
    See Tex ya gotta experience winning first to understand the blue print and its importance
     
  16. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Hurst doesnt impress me *** much as the others, at least not as a receiver. He will be decent but I dont think he is a gamechanger. Andrews is the most natural receiver and best route runner of all the tight ends in this draft, if he could just get a little stronger and sure up his blocking he will be great. I would be happy us getting him in the second or third.
     
  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    This gives DirtyLandry a run at incomprehensibility. I guess the packers should just cut Aaron right now lol. "Just be the patriots" is about the weakest sauce anyone can bring forth in an opinion.
     
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  18. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Its a blueprint that works. Whats there not to understand. Guys like landry dont play for teams like NE. His attitude is a disease. Have nothing against the guy - think he's slightly above average in a league of athletes. It doesnt always have to be about the money. How or where did Aaron Rogers enter the picture. Apparently , IMO the Pack thinks their contenders every year. I think it is safe to say without Aaron they ARE the Dolphins. When Danny was here it was the same thing - always competitive when he was on the field and a joy to watch. With the exception of 2 or 3 years just that - competitive.
    Anything short of the superbowl is failure.
    If your gonna be a winner - ya first got to think like one.......there is no trophy for second place

    For the record - I think Gase can get this done. I just think he's wet behind the ears still. He didnt actually come in and make sweeping changes - he ran with what was in place. Now he is putting his stamp on it, or at least it appears from reports that he intends to. Bringing in help and dividing responsibilities is a sign of strength confidence and maturity. Trying to do it all yourself is very difficult to ask of anyone and usually takes years. The Roster by itself is a 2 or 3 year project.
     
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  19. mooseguts

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    I don't think anyone is saying it's not a blue print that works just thats its not the ONLY blue print there is. Which is why Aaron Rodgers was brought as he is one of the highest paid QB's and also a super bowl winner. There's lots of different ways to win the Patriot way is one of many but I would argue that having the Goat QB and Goat Coach has as much to do with their success as Brady taking paycuts.
     
  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Exactly, and it's also predicated on Brady giving unrealistically significant pay cuts to allow others to get contracts. No other player QB does that. Saying that's a "blueprint" is absurd. Brady is either nuts to actually take those lowball contracts, or more likely he is getting paid under the table or has a handshake retirement deal (like a % stake in franchise ownership). Kraft is a devious ****er with no compunction about pushing acceptable limits.

    The truth is, there is 1 team that can follow their "blueprint" - and it's them.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    I couldnt pull the trigger on such a one dimensional player, his inept blocking prowess does nothing for our run game and when he’s in the field the defense knows it’s a pass... no thank you..he gets humiliated at the college level, scary to think what the pros are gonna do.... like lions eating a baby deer.
     
  22. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Belichick got lucky
    Brady was a 6th round pick
    I hear what your saying about Aaron but as far as the blue print , its worked for 15 yrs. No one has ever had that type of success year in and year out. Aaron' s got a superbowl - as in singular.
    Here's something I found interesting:
    Through the analysis of more than 100 metrics from the past 15 seasons, NFL Research has identified the following measurable factors as the best indicators of playoff success:

    1) The Advantage of Playoff Experience

    2) Elite Pass Defenses Trump Elite Pass Offenses in the Playoffs

    3) The Importance of a Pass Rush Arsenal

    4) Ball Skills on Defense Lead to Takeaways

    5) Most Predictive Passing Metrics: TD-INT Ratio, Adjusted Net Yards/Att, Big Plays

    6) A Strong Running Game Matters Most in the Second Half of Games

    7) Run Defense When Trailing & Limiting Big Runs Helps Teams Stay in Games

    8) Difficult Regular Season Schedule is Favorable for Playoff Success

    9) Ability to Win Regular Season Road Games Translates to Playoff Success

    10) Unlucky Teams in the Regular Season Fare Better in the Playoffs
     
  23. Base of Gase

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    And when we had one of the best blocking TE’s in the NFL last year in Anthony Fasano, we were sitting ducks in predictability and hamstrung. It made very little difference in the 3 and outs.

    Thanks, but no thanks. Give me Gesicki and his monstrous measurables, as a bonafide seam threat. Blocking can be taught, not to mention that TE’s aren’t asked to hold their blocks very long in Adam Gase’s offense (which is why he doesn’t place a premium on guards).

    Give me Gesicki all day long.
     
  24. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    None of those factors are a Patriots only thing though. When you say just follow their blueprint, it's not a reasonable thing to ask. Not only have they been extremely lucky, they may be actively cheating the system. The fact there is not a single team in the league doing what they do is indicative of a system you can't replicate. The fact that they were able to find a HOF, maybe GOT at the QB spot in round 6, who plays for WAY less than market value (opening significant contract space for others) is an extreme abberation and not something you can plan for or count on, nor should you. When you say we need to essentially find players who are willing to take steep discounts, that's not something you can realistically do while filling out a roster. You can find a few, but players rightly want to get paid. Landry, for all I think he is not worth it, is right to try and get max value, and expecting him or anyone to not do that is not a blueprint or gameplan.

    A more realistic blueprint for success is more along the lines of what teams like Seattle, Pittsburgh, Green Bay and now the Eagles are doing, though all have different strengths and weaknesses. Build something to a strength, usually defense, or find a top QB and build around them. Be steady and consistent - find a coach you think can do it and stick with them for more than 2-3 years. Gotta hit a home run or two in round 1, and gotta find a few high level guys in lower rounds. Exploit a market inefficiency (seattle's big CBs, patriots TE corps). Be flexible enough to use talent in creative ways, fit your systems around talent, not squash talent into systems. Change things up, innovate and set the curve yourself instead of chasing it. Again, all far easier said than done.
     
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  25. Fin D

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    lol, the number one indicator of playoff success is being in the playoffs.

    Hahahahahahahahaha.
     
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  26. djphinfan

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    The point is don’t settle for a one dimensional player...

    He’s hopeless as a blocker..he’s gonna get hurt at this level or get someone hurt..

    I really don’t understand the fascination with this kid..not after watching what a liability he truly is..

    Pro players are gonna kick his azz.
     
  27. hitman8

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    I agree, case of great athlete, not so great football player. I would take Andrews and goadert over him. I think Andrews is the best TE in this draft class.
     
  28. Surfs Up 99

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    It is probably just me because I probably don't understand what Gase wants for his system, but I have a hard time getting behind guys who are one dimensional. Wouldn't a guy who could help block in the run game or pass pro as well as catch passes be a better fit? We have guys on our team that could probably be a slot receiver and we could use a draft resource on someone else. For example, a guy like WILL DISSLY (TE)?
     
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  29. 2socks

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  30. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Good post
    Never said we should follow the Patriots blue print. Said it works. Cheating - sorry but I call bullcaca on that. Yes I know - just seems like a easy way to explain away the phins inabilities to win. Sounds good on the surface. NE has earned everything they have gotton. They are hated out of envy - but hey if I had 5 rings and been there 8 times id be.ok with being hated to. Natural human reaction to hate what you cant conquer.
    I guess the real question is does Gase have a blue print? To me I think the answer is maybe.
    NE is sucessful because the players buy in to the Belickick concept. All for won and one for all. Do your part, help others be succesful, and the TEAM will take care of itself. The sum of the whole is only as good as its parts. That is a very powerful THING if you truely believe it. EVERYTHING the pats do revolves around belief in that philosophy. Cant be stressed enough. Watch one of their practicez and.compare - you would probably be surprised.
    But that is their blue print.
    Trying to see what Ours is. Still looking.......
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Bullcaca?

    So you really think they never cheated? Then what was with all the fines, losing draft picks, destroyed tapes, etc etc? Was it just them "working hard and earning everything"?


    You really should go back to your favorite teams forum. lol
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    There's not really a reason to mention the Patriots blueprint unless the implication is that you think we should follow it. Cheating is less about explaining our inability to win (it's not like we lit the rest of the league on fire), but rather the improbable sustained success of the Patriots. The league is set up specifically to prevent decade long dynasties and actively work against them, yet here they are. Throw in Goodell stomping on tapes, deflated balls and all the other rumors and boom. Even beyond just cheating, they are almost undeniably the luckiest SOB's in the history of the league. Which, you know, someone HAS to be. But from all the way back to the Tuck rule they just seem to have the ball bounce their way far more often than not. The only times I really recall a huge lucky draw go against them was that ridiculous Tyree catch. And look, yes, they work hard, and are smart, and dedicated and every other platitude, nobody denies that - yet both things can be true (they work hard but also are lucky and/or cheaters). So, yes it is fine to try and find players that really buy in, or are willing to take discounts, etc. But that in and of itself is no guarantee of success. Everyone wants those players. If you don't develop them yourself, the best way to get them is ... winning.

    As far as Gase ... we have to remember who was here before him (both players and FO). Gase had no overlying attachment to a guy like Suh. Even a guy like THill was already here. They aren't "Gase's guys." If Ross is truly committed to him above anyone else (including TBum and Grier) then it's not surprising to see what we are seeing now with a bit of a teardown and restructure. Gase rode in year 1 and played with what we had, did well with it, but after some key cogs broke, he decided to start leaving his imprint. It's quite possible that it means more short term trouble, which is unpopular and difficult and will get certain people foaming mad. But maybe it's time to put that aside for a bit and let someone enact a plan with vision beyond 1-2 years like most teams seem to give these days. Gruden's hire will be a fascinating thing to watch in that regard. I'm not saying his approach is right or wrong, because frankly nobody knows. I know it's alluring to think we can grab the next hot thing and jumpstart us to the Super Bowl, but the Eagles and Pederson are far more an exception than rule.

    The most likely thing, imo, is that if we struggle this year (6 wins or less), TBum takes the fall rather than Gase.
     
  33. Dorfdad

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    Well now that we released or #1 point scorer we need to replace our kicker! I assume this team will use our #1 pick to address this.
     
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  34. invid

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    If Suh does indeed get cut, then we might have a shot at Da'Ron Payne or Vita Vea. Denzel Ward might save you money on Bobby McCain in the near future. Tremaine Edmunds, for sure. I don't think Phins will pull trigger on Nelson unless he's the only one there. Certainly, Calvin Ridley is out of the picture now. 11 too rich for any of the tight ends. Minkah, for sure, same with Derwin James. I think they'll take Mayfield, but only if he drops.

    I love Davenport, but 11 might be too rich. He's a trade down target (but only a slight trade down or he'll be gone).

    I think Mayfield (even with Tannehill), Payne and Vea would be at the top of their list, with the safeties right behind it. Then Edmunds. Then Ward. Then trade down. Then Davenport. Then Nelson.

    If we trade back I think you're looking at a corner or tight end.
     
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  35. Hoops

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    I want tremaine Edmunds or Derwin james

    But the scheme must allow for James to be a primary carry coverage option on size at tight end. If it doesn’t than James value to me to Miami isn’t there

    Edmunds can be what Timmons was suppose to be. Base strong nickel mike. Although his box instincts aren’t ideal yet his poa play and fill for his age is ungodly

    That size and that speed and that fluidity is as rare as it gets. You’d usually prefer better box instincts in a top 10 lb pick but miamis scheme reads run reacts to pass at lb and poa and gap fill are at a premium

    Plus there’s a lot of upside with Edmunds
     
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  36. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hoops! Glad to see you posting again. I always enjoy your posts.
     
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  37. LB, Safety, TE, OL...I think we hand the keys to Tannehill one more year. I don't think the FO views this as nearly the "rebuilding" exercise as some fans. If Tanny craps the bed, or reinjures (which are both very possible), the seasons busts and we go QB next year. IF a QB falls to us then maybe its on the table but I don't see us climbing the ladder to move up imo.
     
  38. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    If Suh is gone and Vita Vea is there...there can be only one! Pick for the Dolphins. Inside out is the key to success now and forever more.
     
  39. hitman8

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    Don't know why you include safety on your list of needs. Safety is the least of our concerns right now. It's LB, TE, G, backup QB, K and if Suh is cut you can add DT to our needs list.
     
  40. Carmen Cygni

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    We need a true Free Safety like a fish needs water.
     
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