Hahaha he’s mediocre... actually he’s the spitting definition of mediocre. And for Tannehills draft position, he’s a bust too. Should of been 3rd-4th round like he was scripted to be before the combine but workout warriors and impressive 40 yard dashes get you moved up 2 rounds nowadays. Russell Wilson would of been great in that #8 spot though.
Productive conversation we have here. Rather Ryan is a disappointment or ascending will be proven next year. Until then, be friends.
I think the ascending of RT has already been proven. It's the consistency, or lack thereof, that will be proven next year. I mean, Case Keenum seems to be some people's darling right now and he's throwing up a 96 passer rating in 9 games. RT, in that many consecutive games last year, put up a passer rating of 104. Cousins has a 99 in 12 games this season. Goff 98 in 11 games Wentz 104 in 11 games Big Rapist 89 in 11 Wilson 95 in 11 Brees 104 in 11 Ryan 97 in 11 Granted, a few of those QB's have been putting up those numbers for years, but my point is those that haven't are being fellated by some around here while those same people are bashing RT. Doesn't make sense to me.
The biggest problem is using that rating system for any QB. And if we get the Ryan that played in the AZ/SF games? We will be right back in the playoffs, that guy looked amazing. However if anyone is too feel pessimistic about it? They shouldn’t be blamed. The only other similar stretch he had was in 2014........then 2015 happened. So that side has some evidence to point too.
Yeah, but that evidence is weak. The coaching changes, oline changes, lack of a running game, poor defense, etc etc, IMO, is the reason for his inconsistency. I may be proven wrong next season, but I don't see how a "below average" QB can play at an elite level as often as RT has under these circumstances. If RT was playing for the Eagles right now I think everyone would be calling him the next Aaron Rodgers... (OK, I exaggerated a little on that last part)
I kinda agree with you, but you must admit you have always been very pro Ryan, if someone was not however they could say take a look at the last full game Ryan played, and that would be Baltimore (yuck) And their reasoning would be no more right or wrong than yours for developing that opinion.
I've been pro-give-any-QB-time-and-a-stable-environment, not just RT, in order to see if the QB is any good. Looking at one game of anyone's career could lead a person to believe that the player is crap.
Nobody and I mean nobody is basing their opinion of Ryan on that Baltimore game alone, that would be silly. But when you are up and down for 5 years, having that stinker in there is a reminder. I was confident he was going to be flirting with top 10 status if healthy this year, would that have made this team a playoff team? I think that’s ridiculous to assume, but we would’ve been better.
I hate the eagles almost as much as the pats so it pains me to say the eagles would not be 10-1 with tannehill under center. The beginning of the season the pass blocking of the eagles even with jason peters was terrible.The thing that saved wentz was his size as he was hard to bring down like big ben in his prime and at the same time amazing nimble ability to get away from the rush. Its early but I feel this guy will get even better.
To say that the chances of Thill being Top 10 is the same as he won't, is like saying the chance of fatality from lung cancer is the same as from getting a wisdom tooth pulled. Sure, both are possible, but both are NOT equally possible.
Wentz is 1" taller and less than 10 pounds heavier than RT. He's not really bigger or stronger than RT. And I'm not really seeing Wentz being more nimble or agile than RT. RT is faster, too. If anything RT and Wentz are very similar in ability and physically. Wentz is just lucky to be playing for the Eagles.
yet Doughty is still on practice squad. You don't know what he can do. No one does. Are you aware he has not received snaps with the first team offense? research, research Watch some film.
I have watched alot of eagles living near philly.Wentz is bigger,stronger,and more nimble in the pocket.Not to mention better pocket presence.Tannehill has better straight line speed. Nobody outside of this site will ever say tannehill is better than wentz.You would get laughed at for even bringing it up.
I never said, nor implied, that RT is better than Wentz. I said they were similar physically. Frankly, proclaiming that Wentz is anything but good for this season is shortsighted. How many young QB's have come into this league, put up one or two good to great seasons, only to disappear afterwards? A hell of a lot. When I watch Wentz I see a confident, physically gifted QB who has the luxury of playing on a really good team. When I watch RT I see a confident, physically gifted QB who doesn't have that same luxury. Time will tell if RT or Wentz is the better QB. Proclaiming Wentz as a star, however, is premature.
Your entitled to your opinion and I respect that.I hope your right and wentz falls and tannehill rises next year but I don't see it. Like I said the eagles line was terrible in the beginning of season but wentz carried them through it and now they are playing well.
In the first 5 games of the season they had 700 yards rushing. In those 5 games Wentz posted a passer rating between the low 80's to low 90's all but once, in week 5 he had a 128 rating against the Cardinals (Who have the 25th ranked defense in the league).
Dude I keep telling line sucked at beginning of season.Sacked 14 times first 5 games. Stats don't show all the times he escaped.
He was sacked 13 times the first 5 games and 11 times the next 5 games. Not a big difference. And you can also take into account 6 of those 13 were in one game.
Man dude do have a job?All you do is try to prove people wrong.Like I said for 3rd time the line was not playing well early in the season and wentz used his pocket presence ,and mobility to hide this.Once again the stats don't show this Bottomline wentz is better ask any GM in the nfl who they would rather have and not one would pick tannehill regardless of the situation.Im done so if it makes you feel better to have the last word be my guest.
I have seen it all lmao this guy is comparing Wentz to Tannehill now... lmao you really can’t make this up... Wentz is light years better and light years younger lol... cmon Miami fans... get real with yourselves. Your madden Tannehill doesn’t qualify in real life.. sorry... and here’s one HUGE difference... besides the fact that Wentz has time to grow despite already being better then tannehill, he knows HOW to USE his skill set, where a coaching staff has to tel tannehill how to use his. Oh and Wentz is the front runner for MVP... something Tannehill has not and will not ever come close to doing.
But how do we know if Pederson is telling Wentz how to use his skill set too? Beyond a handful of Alt Ryan’s around here, nobody would take Ryan over Wentz.....if you put the age in there it’s really not close. But Wentz has also been developed (and to his credit developed fast) in a much better settin than Ryan, so the reasons Wentz is already better are pretty clear to me.
A much better setting? Doug P was on the hot seat before the season started... his WRs are all brand new to the team... he started out this season with no run game... all these things Tannehill went through and were used as excuses for why he wasn’t performing up to par but only in Miami do you get those excuses... and I won’t even bring up the fact that he is in year 2 out of D-III college, but again, only in Miami do you get 7 years to develop lmao cmon man Wentz don’t need to use these as excuses because despite all that, he’s bringing it every game and single handedly carrying that offense on most occasions so it’s glossed over but he is far superior to Tannehill And if you take the time to actually watch an Eagles game, you would notice how many times Wentz spots pressure and quickly breaks out of his natural drop to scramble out and make a play... A LOT... that’s not coaching and that’s something Tannehill has struggled with for a long time and still has yet to come close to as good as Wentz already is.
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about, but to be fair Wentz has a far superior coaching staff to start his pro career(John DeFilippo and Frank Reich) and his HC is a former Pro QB. Tanny's career to start with a QB coach whose only reason he was on staff was his father in law was head coach, and a head coach that wanted to kick him to the curb after a year.
Obviously Wentz is better? I said this. But to suggest Ryan's development wasn't hindered, would be irresponsible. I watch Wentz every week (fantasy Qb) I do see the ability to improv and make plays, that's admirable for a 2nd year guy. But he also isnt a victim of poor surroundings and he is just so good he is masking it. Doesn't mean I don't think very highly of him. He's on a short list of young Qb's id love to have with Goff and Watson.
Wentz has masked his offenses weaknesses and that’s exactly what great QB’s like Brady and Rodgers been doing for years. I mean, look how garbage Green Bay is without one guy... Tannehill would be garbage in Philly.. a team that was projected to be a bottom barrel team before the season but it’s a great example of how a great QB can change the whole outlook of your team. Wentz should be celebrated for how great he is doing despite all his new WRs that are on one year deals and his slot WR being atrocious the previous 2 seasons (Nelson Agholor, who has a funny story about his success this year... he credits Wentz for showing up at 5 am everyday this offseason with him to help him grasp the offense and become just a better player but Tannehill is better than Wentz right? Lmao you guys make me laugh) if this was happening in Miami (the season Wentz is putting together).. by god, the love (deserving) that the QB would get around here would be unbearable if your not a Miami fan. And nobody would be able to say anything. However, Tannehill has been getting this treatment as if he has had a season like this when the fact is, he’s never come close to it... oh Wentz has helped his team to 10 wins... something else we are waiting on Tannehill for.
I do not agree with that at all. He may not be the leading MVP candidate, but he wouldn't be garbage by any means. It's the NFL. You could put 25 of the 32 starters in a good situation and they will be fine.
He already has been put in this situation in Miami back in Tannehills second season in 2013 and he folded the last two games of the season against two awful teams and helped the team to a total of 7 points in those games and failed to clinch a playoff spot because of it... whereas, Wentz has MADE PHILLY A GREAT TEAM!!!! Wentz has clinched playoffs with 5 games still to play... should I continue because that was Tannehills second year versus Wentz... I would def argue that Miami came into the season with more hopes of playoffs in 2013 then the Eagles did this year... Wentz just flipped the script on the NFL and most people carry short term memory so most people would fail to recognize that they picked Philly to finish last in the division this year... it’s okay to be wrong. It’s not safe to say Philly would be running away with the division and NFL with Tannehill at the helm, Wentz has way too much impact on that team and quite frankly is just flat out better than Tannehill... they may be 7-4 or 6-5 right now with Tannehill.
Ummm. I'm not saying Tannehill is better than Wentz by any means, you only have 2-3 guy's on this board that would try and finagle that belief into reality. But I do not think you can go as far as saying he would be "garbage" in Phi.
You guys are confused tho... the reason that Philly is as good as they are is because of Wentz... like he isn’t part of the solution, he IS the solution... yes the defense is playing well partly/mostly because of how efficient the offense is and the ability to eat up clock and keep the D fresh, things Miami fans wouldn’t know because of all of our 3 and outs. Wentz deserves MAJOR credit for what’s happening up here in Philly and he will be credited properly with an MVP trophy at the end of the year.
All in all, you think Wentz can be replaced and Philly still has success. I strongly, strongly disagree... Wentz is one of a kind and not many are built like he is with his QB mind as well. Very special player and extremely hard to replace... there is another guy like him named Aaron Rodgers... ask GB fans how their season is going with him hurt. Enough said.
I think you're more confused than anyone, because this is the Miami Dolphins main forum and you can't stop talking about Philly.
One thing that happens way to often on this board (not just you by any means) is statements without context. You said Ryan would be garbage, to me that means a “bad” QB in Philly. That’s where our disagreement is coming from, not that Wentz isn’t great or Ryan would do just as well. It happens on the other side too, I’ll argue with people who call Ryan “elite” then they will be confused when I say I think he is on the verge of being a top 10-12 QB. It’s strange. Maybe these broad generalizations are as much of the issue as anything.
