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State of The Franchise

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    I get all that for sure but there are analyst who say case keenum shouldn't be starting for the vikes now that teddy b is back or if Bradford comes back as well so you have to take that with a grain of salt ya know. I think RT was the bright spot for us and really the only thing analysis could talk positive about which is why a lot of them talk highly about which I get we haven't given much to be positive about in the last 15 yrs lol .
     
  2. cbrad

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    I can't answer for resnor, but for me THIS year was the absolute final year for deciding whether Tannehill is a true franchise QB or not.. sadly we didn't get to see the experiment, so I guess that's postponed for one more year. But dude.. if he performs at just around average level, I don't care what the "excuses" are you got to swing for the fences and find that franchise QB. Like many others, I want us to draft a QB high next year and have a true QB competition!
     
  3. Seadog

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    Cut MM and get Doughty off our PS, play Fales and Doughty till the season ends, see what you have. No reason to believe for one second JC or MM are ever going to be on this team any longer....
     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Doughty won't play because of the same reason Hackenberg and Petty aren't playing in New York.

    They suck.
     
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  5. Seadog

    Seadog Active Member

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    This is the reason Miami has failed year after year, keeping players that can't play...

    Pouncey and Kiko were two huge extension mistakes....
     
  6. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    yes exactly either way id draft an actual qb and move up to get one if we find one viable to do so, however a top pick should excel within the first 3 years if you draft one in the top 10 picks if they don't then they get kicked to the curb that's why there's so many qbs passing around the league because no one Is willing to wait the 7 years for a qb and miss out on a Rodgers or breese type guy.
     
  7. cbrad

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    Hmm.. if you're going to use Rodgers and Brees as examples I'd at least extend the time frame to 4 years because Rodgers didn't start his first 3 years and Brees played well only from his 4th year:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm

    But yeah.. it's hard to find many franchise QB's that took that long to mature. The closest seems to be Alex Smith where he finally showed something in year 6 once Harbaugh got there. And with him it took the right coach so it's not impossible to see someone mature late in the right circumstances, but I think that's fairly rare.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm
     
  8. ripper1961

    ripper1961 Active Member

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    When RT is healthy he will be our QB. He is a tough son of a ***** and the team performs when he is on the field.
     
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  9. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    How many playoff games or division titles have we won in 6 years?
     
  10. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    how many teams in our division besides the pats have a qb? we all have fondled qbs like a 2$ hooker its all really easily relatable lol but I agree the pats have pretty much settled our division.
     
  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Please send me your PayPal address so I can forward you ten bucks- I would think you deserve at least a $12 hooker. I would imagine a $2 hooker is the gift that just keeps on giving...
     
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  12. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    Ya your right it does suck and the road is never easy but in that span we should have been able to get a wild card win, its never easy but the ravens also took a wild card to the superbowl if I remember correctly I could be wrong.

    I really think that the NFL needs to place people in the playoffs by records, each division should get a playoff spot but they should be ranked 1-6 by their records and that would solve a lot of the issues with us playing the pats them winning 12 us winning 11 and having the 3rd best record yet we are playing an away wild card game. Wasn't it a few years ago 2 teams 500 or under hosted playoff games to teams with 10+ win or something like that?
     
  13. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    haha foerster might know a few good ones for $2 bucks they may come with a pick me up and a live web cast weekly hahahah but demand a good tip :)
     
  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    My position is this: Tannehill is the least of the problems for the Miami Dolphins. It's a waste to spend high picks on QB with the other needs we have. I also believe that Tannehill has shown that with just average play from an oline, he plays at or near elite levels. So, frankly, while I don't mind getting another QB to develop, i don't want to spend high picks on it, and he doesn't need to convince me that he can play at a very high level.
     
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  15. SlyFoxxx

    SlyFoxxx Sorry for Party Rocking

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    No doubt Moore and JC are gone after this year, but what message does it send to your team to basically give up and play guys that have no business being on a roster? Moore/JC for better or worse are our two best QBs. How does that influence guys we want to bring back next year at other positions?
     
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  16. KeyFin

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    What happened to the last thread you started on this....you know, the one that was about three after, "One Last Argument About Tannehill"? These should all be merged into one thread since you keep saying the same thing over and over again.

    Quoting yourself does not somehow make it a new topic.
     
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  17. shamegame13

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    Carson Wentz only needed one year out of D-III college to become one of NFL’s best.... that’s the difference between Tannehill and other QBs. Wentz is literally everything Tannehill and Tannehill homers wishes he was... BTW, Wentz tosses the “raw/need years to develop” argument out the window. Tannehill isn’t that good and won’t be the one leading us to a SB... this franchise needs just about another complete culture change anyways so it’s not completely his fault but he has still been marginal the past 5 years
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    lol.
     
  19. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Ive seen throws made by him that Tannehill has never made. If you have to wait 7 years for a 1st rd qb to develop (with a bad knee), more than likely more team will be mediocre and more than likely there will be some coaches fired and GM's fired
     
  20. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    But he plays at or above elite level against bad teams but is he elite enough to beat Brady? Ben? the Ravens for god sake?
     
  21. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    a top 8 pick for one and a converter qb at that, it was a very bad mistake to draft him in the top 10 IMO

    ive seen many qbs come out of college making throws RT cant make in less time than rt has been here, just to name a few wentz, goff, cousins even Hundley the other night made a few back shoulders that surprised the hell out of me, but I guess its not really hard to learn when the best is teaching you.
     
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  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I disagree with this line of thinking. Teams beat other teams, not the QB.
     
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  23. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    well seeing how qbs get all the gratitude on a final drive td I would say you are incorrect qbs win and lose games just how it is.

    do you think RT could have beat the ravens or brady this year? or breese?
     
  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    So, because certain people or media outlets give all credit to the QB, that makes it correct? I mean, for a QB to complete a pass, a receiver also has to make a play, therefore, it's at least 50/50.

    Yes, I think a competent QB on the field certainly makes the Patriots game different, and I think probably completely changes the complexion of the ravens game. However, if the defense played like the worst defense in the league, then it makes it almost impossible to win, regardless of who is at QB.
     
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  25. pumpdogs

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    Tell that to the packers.
     
  26. dolphin25

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    WOW, you are mistaken as usual. WKU was ranked 25th his final year so I'm certain many many college teams would have loved to have him. Not only that, but he lifted the team up around him and made players better. I know you like to think you do research on stuff, but you really should do some research.
     
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  27. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    what development? They are getting creamed every game.
     
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  28. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    did any of them last 5 years as a starter with a franchise? or were they being told to try someone else after 2 or 3 years? just wondering?
     
  29. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    were the stats from RT and any of them that far apart for the first 2-3 years?
     
  30. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    lol im not either and im curious but I don't think it would be "a lot" just guessing
     
  31. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    You attempt at humor continues to show just how clueless you really are.

    He completed several passes in preseason and thus the Dolphins kept him on the practice.

    The facts are, you don't know what he can do.

    There are at least 10 former WKU players in the NFL currently,(most of which I said should be looked at to be drafted) again try actually doing some research

    Not to mention the fact that I said the BACKUP should get some playing time. Currently he is not the backup.
     
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  32. danmarino

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    You're right. It's not "a lot".

    He's a ****ing **** load better.

    Locker:

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    Gabbert:

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    Ponder:

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    Weeden:

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    Griffin:

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    Sanchez:

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    Freeman:

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    Tebow:

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    Manuel:

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  33. Fin D

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    Does this mean you thought highly of Philbin and Sherman?
     
  34. shamegame13

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    Tannehill will join that list of mediocre/forgettable QB’s soon enough... I guess RGIII can hang his hat on a rookie of the year award... and Tebow and Sanchez won a playoff game... everyone else was very forgettable, Tannehill included.

    Please, don’t hit me with why Tannehill is better than Gabbert or Freeman... I don’t care who the tallest midget in the room is, they are all midgets.
     
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  35. Rickysabeast

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    I'd say the state of the franchise right now is a toss up between Alabama (in Summer) and North Dakota (in Winter).
     
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  36. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I like this analogy.

    I'm as guilty as anyone for having false hope, the writing was on the wall we were going to regress...then we lose our starting QB, 2nd Rd starting LB and Hurricanes are making our team go practice in SD and miss out on a home game.

    So while we have had legit excuses for the season's demise, it still likely wasn't going to end all that well anyways.
     
  37. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Then why wouldn't you do the research yourself to support your argument? It's a little lame to say, "I'm guessing this is true...but it's up to everyone else to look up the facts so I'll know for sure."
     
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  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    What about Johnny Manziel. Everyone and their mom told me he was better than Tannehill.
     
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  39. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    You don’t seem to comprehend what I said... sure he may have better numbers than those guys but when it’s all said and done... all of em will be forgotten about.. no legacy... understand? We won’t be talking about the mediocre and mighty Tannehill 10 years from now... he will be a distant memory that everyone has forgotten about and couldn’t care less about, yourself included, you just don’t know it yet. (Like Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas, John Beck, ahhh you get the point)
     
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  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like you need to hang out with different everyone's and stop talking to their moms about football.
     

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