Can we now agree that Moore is a solid D grade when asked to QB?

two things were huge mistakes last year. Yes RT was good, but he got hurt. And we did nothing about that. Second, the line was in shambles last year. Who was their starting 5 that game?. Well, the point is, Miami needed more depth and quality starters on the line.

 

Actually cutting all those players SCREAMS rebuild. Brees isn't going to end his career coming to a team rebuilding. He is going to want to win immediately cause he has a very short window.

 

Im not sure he needs to be though right? I think Tannehill is easily a good enough QB to lead a top ten offense. That doesnt mean he is a future or as good as a historic Hall of Fame QB. Those dont just fall off trees. Should Miami start drafting QBs? Yes...do I think they will draft a QB in the first two rounds next year. Not a chance. But there will be some good QBs in rounds 3 and 4 and I would love to see us draft a legit QB to develop.

 

good question. can't they try to sign the players first, before they cut or designate June 1 as the date? Or I can keep RT and cut the rest

 

I was being sarcastic lol

 

Well...most of the suggestions seem like the ones disgruntled fans throw out. Does anyone think we would attract a legit quality starting veteran QB if our organization did anything remotely looking like a knee jerk reaction?

 

All experts thought RT would be ready to go this year. And with his history of being an iron man what needed to be addressed? Moore has shown he can do spot duty. No one thought RT would tear his ACL again.

All teams need more depth somewhere. And it's impossible to address every hole in one season. The o-line has had injuries this year too. It's looking like Asiata is taking longer than they thought to develop (if he ever does), maybe he's a miss? However, I'm assuming that they thought he could be a back-up at least this year. Smith is a rookie who looks pretty good. And Steen is still very young and I think has potential.

 

I don't know about that dan. he was the first person to have an acl tear that didn't have surgery. if there is another one, please correct me

 

the Dolphins organization is very high on Ryan Tannehill. His current contract is actually very attractive compared to the contracts being dished out now for starting QBs. Personally, I like Gase as our Head Coach, and if he has a conviction that 17 is our QB, then I support that. What I don't want is a HC who is wishy washy. If he is wrong, then Gase is likely gone and a new HC will draft the next Dolphins starting QB. My opinion is he is not wrong....Im sure you disagree, but really either of us trying to make an argument is a fools errand. In 2018 we will know...sucks I know we all KNEW the answer to that question now, but...

 

Most of them were NOT ESTABLISHED when they posted a lot of those poor records.

Seriously you cannot be this clueless...

 

I believe John Elway was one. There's a list of guys that's been posted on here before.

Also, losing the QB was one difference. Having a cokehead oline coach is another difference. Hurricane is another difference. Should I keep going?

 

hahah ok once again you know everything, in fact they lost Teddy B then traded for Bradford, but your right case keenum had a plethera of opportunities and succeeded beyond peoples thought right? His QBR was so high at the rams and Houston. In fact I think case is good even before he started this yr just got put in bad systems, but his qbr is so high from all his other jobs right? its funny how no one here but a select few can ever be wrong. and most of you who pay to be here think your always right and you are the ones mostly wrong. Maybe you guys work for the front office and have nothing bad to say and make excuses how Miami shouldn't be below avg team which we have been for the past 15 years.

philly draftd a qb and signed people to go around that qb.
minn traded and made work with what they had and switched up the system, they lost probably the Rookie of the year in Cook but they still manage. oh what about Adam theilan who is a top 10 receiver at this point? did anyone see that besides Zimmer? nope he didn't even get a call to the combine but you know who did invite him was zimmer. once again coaching decision which Miami doesn't have. besides keeping guys who do white lightening off the office tables

the moral of that rant is the fact Minn and Philly both made moves and have better coaching than Miami.

Miami coaching staff should have made RT get surgery to fix his knee and they didn't that's on the team, which would have made these arguments way easier when RT would have been 5-6 at this point. lol

 

except for people on here who said "didn't trust the knee" with the stem cell, I don't see how that was a good decision at all im no dr but it seemed like they made light of a bad situation.

 

I love how posting facts makes a person "know everything". You are really insecure.

At this point I have no clue what you're talking about. Your tangents and lack of proper grammar make your posts unreadable.

Calm down.

 

I've posted, ad nauseam, the studies that show he was doing the right thing. All the experts, you know, the doctors that you claim you're not one of, agreed that him NOT having surgery was the best thing.

 

you do understand that dr aren't professionals and they are "practicing" medicine on opinions and other studies right? so clearly the dr took the wrong option, and RT suffered from it. I personally think RT was the one opting for no surgery more than anyone but I don't know for sure.

based on athletes with the same injury and the type of player RT is how many other players had that same injury and had that treatment and it worked with no further injury to the same knee? im not talking lineman or place holders im talking rb, wr running qbs? id love to see it, I clearly never trusted the knee without surgery and clearly me and many other non experts where right. Im not saying im a medical genius but I know sports injuries very well Miami should have opted with the surgery had him have it asap after it happened last yr not wait and he would have been ready for this year and we could all have this behind us.

 

my mistake meant to put "are practitioners"

but its fine don't read your not worth the argument when you think you know everything at all times!!!

 

I'm not going to post the scientific studies, again. And I'm also not going to re-post the long list of NFL players who tore their ACL's and opted not to have surgery. I will name one on the list, however.

John Elway. He tore his ACL in college and never had it surgically repaired.

 

Using punctuation = Being a know-it-all

 

that's fine you don't have too, was it the same tear? 1 torn acl is not the same as one partially torn acl.

and your wrong Elway had 2 microscopings on his knee!!!

 

bwhahaha...

Research "microscopings" and tell me where you think they can fix an ACL..


bwhahaha

 

once again im not a dr nor trying practice at one, you clearly cant put 1 injury to another everyone is different so every injury is different at the time in the 80's microscopes was pretty much it, having multiple scopes done in my knee as well I do know they help would they help an acl tear, no clue ive never had one. but maybe for some weird reason they helped relieve pain for Elway.

 

IMO Tannehill opted for the no surgery option because of two reasons:

1) surgery would have likely meant he could not start the 2016 season (would probably come back midseason)
2) doctors told him there's recent evidence rehab-only works well, and that while those studies are on non-professional athletes, the physiology is no different and if anything professionals should rehab faster.

So.. in hindsight yes the choice was wrong, but let's not act like it was based on bad medical advice unless someone can prove otherwise using an actual quote from a doctor that gave advice to Tannehill.

 

you are trying to be a doctor or else you wouldn't be disagreeing with them.

"microscopings".....lol...too funny

 

Im going to say this once...comment on the post and not the poster. If this is too much to ask then leave or expect repercussions. This place is not for everyone. If you cannot be civil and post without being a wiseass, without being insulting, and without mocking others there are other boards who allow that. Use the ignore feature, report it to the staff....do something besides responding with something equally as stupid. Myself and the other staff members (3pmi, byroan, The Rev etc) are here to make a determination on what is and is not ok.

Consider everyone who paticipated in the 40+ posts i just deleted, warned. Clean it up.

 

Absolutely not. You'll never see me hoping the team loses out to obtain better draft positioning. I want them to win no matter what. There are no meaningless wins. Give the damn coach at least 3 years before hoping everything starts all over again. Especially one that has one of the better records. He's 14-12 right now including this ****ty season without the starting QB. We could have been a lot worse, but **** it, lets flush it all down the toilet and start all over again. Roll the dice, maybe we'll end up with another coach that never breaks .500 and we can do this all over again. For ****'s sake, even the stadium took at least 2 years to renovate.

 

I think the main reason he was fired was a change in ownership

 

Dirty got one point the other is 1-15. If Gase had gone 4-12 with his starting QB and a normal start to the season I would entertain the idea. I would still be ok with another year but there would be grumblings. If Cam had taken his team to the playoffs when he was here he would've certainly had more leeway. Don't forget, during Cam's season players were openly calling him out in front of other players(I know Joey Porter did on the team plane). He lost that team in his first year. Gase got them to the playoffs.

 

Unless you are blanket adherent to giving everyone 3 years regardless.

Trying to compare Cam to Adam is a fool's errand.

 

How does a playoff year and a down year where you never had your starting QB, equal what you're talking about?

What evidence do you have that last year was the aberration and this year is the norm and not the other way around.

Now you don't need evidence to just think the way you do. However, to attack this with the voracity that you have, where you post hourly about it and attack and insult all who disagree, then your evidence better be effing Fort Knox solid iron goddamn clad.

 

I second that. No one loves the Phins more than me. I spent $10K on a Phins Man Cave this Summer

 

The creation of threads doesn't really bother me. If the title of the thread gets my attention I'll click on it. If it doesn't I won't.

However, and like Boik wrote, when new people join they tend to read everything at first. And if all they see are the same threads about the same complaints that offer really no viable solutions I think they lose interest in the site and never come back.

I do think policing ourselves is the best route for the site. A little discretion goes a long way.

 

I disagree. Some folks have to be pretty close to learning what happens when you completely ignore the site's rules AND ignore the moderator that just threatened to start banning folks if they didn't take his warning seriously. One way or another, school will soon be in session whether folks like it or not.

 

This season has been tough enough without having to butt heads with fellow Dolphin fans on a daily basis. I can't think of one fan of this team that can be happy about much. Negativity is expected. But being negative does not allow for disrespect and sniping. We all have been a part of it. But the mods have made it clear, fix it, change it and make an effort to do better....or you won't be allowed to disrupt things. Being part of this group is a privelage,not a RIGHT