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competition for qb

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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  2. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    not counting the game against az where he got hurt the last 8 games he passed for an avg of 214 yards a game which ranks him bottom 27th in the league he lost 2 of the 8 and beat the jets off a drake kick return and in 3 of the 8 ajayi avg over 175 yards a game. Only 3 teams had an above .500 or at .500 winning percentage, but rating says it all i guess.
     
  3. danmarino

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    Why wouldn't you count the Cards game? Moore played in 14 snaps compared to RT's 46 snaps. There were a total of 60 Dolphin's offensive snaps that game. So RT played in nearly 80% of all the offensive plays for Miami.

    In reality RT went 7-1 in his last 8 games so how did RT lose 2 games with only 1 loss during that period?

    In 5 of those 8 games Ajayi failed to gain 80 yards rushing and out of those 5 he failed to gain 50 yards 3 times.

    Drake ran back a kick-off with over 5 minutes left in the game. The Dolphins were behind by 3 points when that happened. Claiming that Drake "won" that game is dishonest at best.
     
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  4. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    Because he didn't finish the game and I know how you love stats so I would assume you'd say he had "X" amount of yards with a qtr left would mean he would have "Z" amount of yards at the games end so I counted all the games he started and finished, and technically Moore had a final drive and franks kicked the game winner and won the AZ game so hes 6-1, but we can count your 7-1.

    So therefor his yards per game would go down from 214 if you count that game, and counting that game still puts 3 of the 8 teams with at or higher than .500 winning percentage. In all aspect I don't think even 1 of them teams was over .450, avg would be about .400 id guess with SF being in there, but I could be wrong. With Ajayi gaining 200+ yards against 2 of the .500+ teams, PITT and Buffalo.

    Ease of schedule is the result of his ratings, his yards per game is sub par with only 3 games with a 100 yard receiver. In the 3 games of teams over .500, ravens he had a 63 rating and threw 3 picks and was held scoreless until the 4th qrt when the game was blown out and the other two was Pitt and Buffalo when Ajayi had 200+ yards.

    How is that dishonest can you guarantee RT would have won the game? No, we were down even if it was 1 point drake scored on his own, had RT made a drive to kick a FG you would give the win to the FG kicker so therefore Yes drake did win the game and its far from dishonest. RT had 57 minutes to have the lead he didn't. So once again your trolling!!!
     
  5. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    danny, I know. but his knee is not enough for us to pass on a qb
     
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  6. cbrad

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    Easiest solution is to look at per-attempt stats instead of per-game stats.

    It's probably better to do that anyway because passing Y/A has a much higher correlation with win% than passing Y/G (for starting QB's across NFL history the average correlation for Y/A is around 0.5 while it's 0.123 for Y/G). One of the reasons for this is because you run more when you're ahead so correlation between passing Y/G and win% should be low.

    Anyway, a good summary comparison between Tannehill and Moore under Gase is their overall passing rating. Counting all regular season and playoff games, Moore's overall passer rating under Gase is 92.67 while for Tannehill it's 93.5. So in terms of overall passing efficiency (regardless of how the QB "looks") there's not that much of a difference.
     
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  7. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    Jmeis Winston raped a girl, made weird gestures of "eating a W" and groped an uber driver. He's still in the league....

    I'd take mayfield or jackson, just because they are different than the pocket passer miami has always had. Maybe miami needs different considering the last 25 years... But, I also don't like either of those 2 starting their rookie year. So shrug.
     
  8. Dorfdad

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    don’t think the giants or indy are going to draft a QB high up. Miami will probably lose at least 4 of the next 6 games but with our luck we will win 4-5 and put our pick at 22 or something
     
  9. adamprez2003

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    I don' get why you persist with this fantasy of us drafting a QB next year. We aren' wasting a draft pick on a qb. Oline,, lineba kers, tight end, running back but QB? Never gonna happen. The earliest we will consider drafting a QB is 2019 and that' only if tannehill reinjures the knee. The guy was brick wall for five years, gets hurt once and you want to draft his replacement? Never gonna happen
     
  10. Dolphin North

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    There's no guarantee a LB or a guard we draft would be an improvement over anybody either. But you still have to try. IMO, if we win 5 or even 6 games, we need to explore the possibility of moving up if there is a (thought to be) good QB available in the draft.
     
  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    A franchise QB is not a wasted pick. Again, a good QB will paper over other deficiencies like no other. It's not like we have some crazy window here. What might we lose? Suh? Wake? Landry? Yawn.
     
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  12. adamprez2003

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    Ross, Gase and Tannenbaum all view Tannehill as our franchise QB. All of them are back next year. We ain't drafting a QB
     
  13. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    You may be right. I would consider that a bad move to rely on an uninspiring QB with a bum knee. If they evaluate the QBs in the draft and honestly feel none have franchise potential? Yeah ok. But if they feel one has Wentz/Goff/Watson potential? **** Tannehill.
     
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    My thoughts are you draft a QB each year, not saying 1st round or anything, but you always draft a QB, you never know what gem you might find. What round was Tom Brady drafted, you just never know what you might get.
     
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  15. bigballa2102

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    this team always tries to force a round peg into a square hole. Forcing RT to be the franchise is wasting years. Someone has to either know for sure he is. But if there is any doubt even the slightest then you draft a qb.
     
  16. bigballa2102

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    Unless your coach is willing to give them a shot it wont matter, look how many #3 Rb have become studs do to injury and they were put #3 by coaching staff based on practice with #3 guys on the line etc. your coach has to be willing to try out which we don't.
     
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  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Every year is way too often imo. Even in the Brady example ... if Bledsoe takes that hit, Brady may never have played a down. It seems insane, but why not? If BB really knew what he had in Brady at the time, he would have started from the beginning for the experience. Instead, imagine if Bledsoe is unhurt, plays years longer - Brady never gets the shot.

    Every 3ish years seems a good number for me. Gives you some time to develop, get some good practice looks, maybe some gametime depending on injuries/blowouts. At that point, make a trade, release and start over, or possibly decide if they can hang as your starter. All this said, you need a cornerstone player like a Brady/Rogers to go through this cycle.
     
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