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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. phins18

    phins18 Active Member

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    At no point have i claimed RT is great. Also, a QB can only carry a team so far, no matter the easy schedule. He's playing behind a trainwreck of an offensive line for 5 years and a defense that has been straight up bad or average for a very long time as well. And yes, I believe Tannehill's win% as starter is similar to Cousins. and the NFC east hasnt been as good as youre making it out to be.
     
  2. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    id Give Gruden the keys over captain comeback.
     
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  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm assuming that includes what you wrote in your avatar?
     
  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The game has passed Gruden by. He may be able to do something in college, but I feel for the NFL team that gets Gruden.
     
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  5. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    dude are you serious dallas went 13-3 and giants went 11-5 last year philly is 8-1 this year, almost yearly this division has 2 teams vying for the division and or a wild card, its very rare a team runs away with this division like the pats do to the afc east.
     
  6. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    so your saying an ex NFl, ncaa coach is better than an nfl analyst ex NFL coach in the NFL?
     
  7. CanGasePlaybook

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    Ross already does that for Tannebaum
     
  8. CanGasePlaybook

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    I’d take Gruden too.
     
  9. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    In all honesty man this is a dumb conversation lol, cousins isn't coming to Miami neither is anyone else because they see the type of ish show we put on only the fans are hurting because the front office is unwilling to make the necessary changes.
     
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  10. phins18

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    ....and 2 years ago Washington won it going 9-7 and 2nd place was 7-9 with there also being a 6-10 and 4-12 team in there. Year before that they had a 12-4 team, 10-6, 6-10, and 4-12 team. Not nearly as good as you continue to make it out to be, and there is not a yearly team as consistently good and unbeatable as the Patriots. Every one of your points thus far has been poorly informed and poorly researched.
     
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  11. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    well im just going to ask you this if the division was solid shouldn't all the teams have low records since they account for 6 games year? and one team should be 13-3 and the other teams should be 8-8 or way lower yearly right if every team wasn't tough? the teams yearly are in close proximity to each other if there is a 13-3 team there is an 11 win team if there is a 10 win team there is a 9 win team tough divisions are this way. and if your saying that the nfc east hasn't been the toughest division in football for the past however many years your crazy. only the afc west and the nfc west have recently caught up, the nfc norriss (chris berman voice) used to be tough until cutler got to the bears but its been a close second or swapped first with the nfc east a few times.
     
  12. phins18

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    im done with this argument. none of what you just said is mathematically nor factually correct and you change your actual argument every time i prove what you're saying to be poorly researched nonsense.
     
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  13. dirtylandry

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    Harbaugh rumors have been mum, despite a rocky season.
     
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  14. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    im not changing anything, you said cousins is the same and you wouldn't pay him, yet rt got a huge contract before his "breakout yr" but you don't want to pay cousins is why this team is always in the dumps rt is a below avg Qb and when Miami releases him in a yr or so you can come back and apologies since once again someone sits here and thinks my football knowledge is 0 and your espn on favorites for stats look ups is what matters, that's fine think this way but your wrong rt is chad Henne 2 remember that guy who was the savior? but like I said its a mute point no one is coming to this franchise at qb for the product we put on the field and until the front office changes we are gonna sit here and have this same argument about below avg qbs being good because they can complete 7 yard passes and their "Stats" look good yet we don't win which is the ultimate goal I thought.
     
  15. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    It will be mum until he gets blasted by ohio st again, then the fire him stuff will come up, but I doubt he leaves.
     
  16. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    2 words.....
    John Dorsey

    I said it back in 2013, the Phins should hire him. He helped stockpile all that talent during Green Bay's championship. Instead, the Chiefs stole him. Dorsey brought in Alex Smith and turned KC into a consistent winner for the last 4 years. KC fired Dorsey this past off-season because of a power struggle. Now, Dorsey is a free agent again.

    The Phins need to fire the entire front office, and hand over the keys to Dorsey. Don't interfere...let the man turn thus b.s. around. I am beyond sick of this mess.
     
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  17. texanphinatic

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    Why on earth would Gruden become an NFL coach again? Seriously? What is in it for him? Money? He's getting paid a dime to call games while getting to do ****ing anything and everything he wants on the side. Prestige? Dude has a ring and a successful career.

    Being a coach is insane, look at Foerrester for a good example. There is no way Gruden wants that again when he can do what he is doing now. If he came back, it would be to take over a championship caliber team only.

    Jim Harbaugh is not leaving UM right now either. Put that one to rest.

    John Harbaugh miiiiiiiiiiight get cut loose by Baltimore if they both think a change of pace/scenery would benefit, but I really don't see that either.
     
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  18. phins18

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    The amount tannehill got will pale in comparison to what Cousins is getting/is about to get. That's what you dont seem to understand. You have literally no clue what youre talking about both football wise or salary cap ramification wise. And I suggest you go look at the stats before you call Tannehill Henne. I never said Tannehill should be our QB indefinitely into the future. In fact, i said if he doesnt come back strongly from this knee injury then after next year we can cut him with only 2 million in dead money. It isnt about Tannehill or cousins. It's about Tannehill and what you'd have to pay him next year vs. Cousins and what you'd have to pay him next year + the 4 million in dead money we would owe to Tannehill if we cut him.

    You have a fundamental lack of understanding of salary cap ramifications which makes any conversation with you meaningless.

    The entire point is that this team has so many needs and that the difference between Cousins and Tannehill is negligible, so spending 10+ million more and then 4 million in dead money in cutting Tannehill is terrible mismanagement.
     
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  19. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    As a Michigan fan, get Harbaugh out of your minds. He is not leaving Michigan. Go get Gus Malzahn from Auburn. I said this 2-3 years ago.
     
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  20. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    A-F***** A man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  21. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    ok so if RT isn't getting what cousins gonna get Im having a hard time with this since you said they were equal and cousins wasn't better then why is RT not having this super contract cousin is going to get, would RT get this on the open market? no!! he is a 6 yr un proven qb with an acl surgery being put on 19 mill to the cap who on earth would take that kinda salary on? what's cousin going to make in your vast knowledge base? oh wait espn doesn't have that stat yet ill get back to you when he signs lol
     
  22. phins18

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    Again, you have a fundamental lack of understanding on how contracts work in the NFL. Is Matt Stafford the best QB in nfl history? No. then why'd he get the biggest deal in NFL history? Becuase it is so dependent on when you sign your contract. For QB's, generally the latest one to be signed long term who is a proven starter is the one who has the current biggest deal. Again, this would be a worthwhile conversation if you were at all informed about the salary cap and how contracts in the NFL work. And tannehill also signed a team friendly deal that was less than what he could have gotten had he waited until getting to free agency.
     
  23. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    Some people cant stay away its the fight in them that's wants to do it again hes been doing the play calling 9 years sometimes the itch jst gets you I guess.

    Your right Michigan wont fire hardball
     
  24. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    your wrong if he waited he wouldn't get 19 mill after an acl injury so therefor your lack of understanding, I know what cousins is going to get because qbs aren't a dime a dozen like other positions, rt signed a RT friendly contract only team to give him a contract like that is the dolphins so he was smart to do it, however he will not see that contract through with Miami unless he restructures it majorly he is not worth that at all he will be like osweiler tossed around until he accepts his nice 9 mill to be a backup, Mathew Stafford got a good deal because the Lions have their quarterback you think RT is on the same level as Stafford? haha that's funny RT is well well below Stafford. like I have said many times I hope I am wrong and RT does come back and play well but its very very unlikely.
     
  25. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Except there is 0 reason to think he still has that itch. If he did, there have been plenty of "better" jobs than Miami lately. It's fine to give a knock on the door, but to put him as Choice A and think you have a real shot? Nah. At best a total wildcard. And frankly, even if he accepts the job, I still wouldn't be sold when he could just say "**** it, I'm out!" Jimmy 2.0. Just been out of the game too long.
     
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  26. bigballa2102

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    well he has been linked to the BUCCS and Tennessee which I would say are in no better situation than Miami
     
  27. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He has been "linked" to 100% of coach openings since he left the Bucs lol. Rumors, guesses and wishes only.
     
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    sorry to be so rude, but youre a ****ing moron incapable of getting the point. there is no way you work with finances in your life or have any idea or background into finances.
     
  29. Rickysabeast

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    Agreed.
     
  30. Rickysabeast

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    I don't want Gruden. I know he won the superbowl but besides that he was kinda ****ty as TB's coach. He also sucked at ever fixing his QB problem as the QB whisperer of that era. He's an @sshole too. We already have that guy...Gase. Don't need an older version of him.
     
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    I think some of the grind, technology and players (based on salary) could make Gruden look like a dinosaur. However, he is gifted at qb development, understanding offenses and defenses. He would have to change a lot to conform to the NFL since he left. I personally think a jump into a HC would be too much, but maybe as an OC for a few years to see if he still wants it. However, guys like Gruden will always go for the HC jobs
     
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    you bring up a good argument. Let's say Gase is gone (although I doubt it), does this team need a defensive or offensive minded coach? Or does it matter if they hire the right coordinators? Again, look at LA and Philly, those HC's are offensive-minded. But I think they have grizzled vets as their DC's.
     
  34. bigballa2102

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    no this is within the last week yahoo sports and yard barker linked him to the BUCCS and VOLS as potential, and if that is true there no better off than Miami lol
     
  35. Rickysabeast

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    You're in Vero? My favorite place. Is Red Onion Eatery still across the street from the beach? Crunchy grouper reuben is the best sandwich in the history of man.
     
  36. texanphinatic

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    I don't care - either can succeed. At the HC level, it's more about organization, concepts, management, etc than it is about schemes and Xs and Os. Good coordinators and position coaches are important. Hell, look at the mess that happened in New England when Scarnecchia (sp) left for a year. Their line was atrocious and it torpedoed them. A HC needs to focus on the big picture and the details of getting the team ready, leaving coordinators to do the specific planning and positional coaches to do the specific player improvement.
     
  37. Rickysabeast

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    Offense. It's where the points are scored. Remember Wannstedt? Thats what you get with a DC as a coach or Vance who is about to get hung in town square by the Broncos fans he sucks so badly.
     
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  38. bigballa2102

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    there no correlation to nfl contracts and personal finances unless your Bill F***IN gates what's the point of you saying that? another stat from ESPN tell you that since your the braniac of all brainiacs you prolly still think Gase is a genius because espn said so!!!
     
  39. Rickysabeast

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    Glad my Gators are going Chip Kelly. Best decision since Meyer left.
     
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  40. texanphinatic

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    I would say Tenn. is way better off. Better potential QB, better OL, probably better defense.

    Bucs hinge on Winston ... and that is not a cart I would hook my horse to.

    But my comment still stands - Gruden is "linked" to everything. ****, I hear UTenn fans clamoring for him. Rumors, guesses and wishes only.
     
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