Lol yeah I bet he listens to all that ESPN fellating of Tannebaum. What a ****ing joke lol. Tannebaum grooming people, that sounds dirty. But frankly, they'd probably have as good a chance as any. It's a crapshoot more and more.
Half the league is mediocre. Another fourth is flat out BAD. The other fourth, the good ones? Mostly luck. Or please convince me that Robert Kraft just knew, JUST KNEW that Bellichek was gonna go hog wild. Nah, he listened to a dude with a plan and crossed his fingers and struck gold. If Ross fires Tannebaum/Gase this season and hires the next BB, then it's the same thing. We just got lucky.
Absolutely! It all starts at the top. **** rolls downhill. Seems like some fans are clueless. I’m sure Ross is a nice guy but he is clueless and a bad judge of talent. Tannebaum should be fired this week and Gase on notice. Gase ultimately will get a pass for this year. But he should realize that anything sub 9-7 next year will result in him being fired.
You kind of are on to something. Since Wanny, no one (I think) had coaching experience. It was either a college coach or a coordinator.
Look I dont think Gase gets fired for three simple reasons, one is the loss of their franchise qb, the usage of the cap before Gase arrived and there are no viable candidates. I have said in the past to monitor the Michigan situation, but I havent heard anything that Harbaugh would leave
Tonight Kiko was probably the worst I've ever seen a linebacker play. This defense had no idea how to stop a zone read, it looked like Burke didn't even coach them up to face it. Howard getting burnt. D line doing nothing. Anyone calling out Gase imo is missing the bigger picture here. Branch, Suh, Wake, Jones, Timmons, Kiko, all of these guys are here on big contracts and they got ran the **** over tonight.
When so many things go wrong, especially with a roster that on paper is nowhere near as bad as they have looked in several games this season, the proper place to put the blame is on the coach IMO. So I think calling out Gase is totally justified. And what makes it worse is that Gase doesn't seem to know how to fix this. That said.. the "bigger picture" for me is that we're 4-5 after a 10-6 season in only the 2nd year of evaluation for a new HC. Beat the Bucs to go 5-5 and things will feel a lot different, even though that won't mean much either. So yeah, a lot of the negative reactions here are "knee jerk", but I do agree Gase deserves most of the blame.
In the first quarter, Cutler had virtually no time to throw. After he got leveled a few times, he started tossing the pigskin inaccurately in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. And to his credit, that's when Gase started running the ball. We now know that we have a legit RB1 in Drake. Like you said though, so many things went wrong at once. That pick before halftime changed the whole scope of the game since we're not good enough to come back from a 7+ point differential. The D got frustrated and stopped wrapping up shortly after the half and things just snowballed. The other half of that equation is that there's no answer for Cam....he's bigger than Wake, as agile as Williams and faster than Landry. And somehow he can throw lasers on the run....there's just no way to defend that when he's playing hot. The only way to beat Carolina is to outscore them, and unfortunately we suck at scoring. Nobody should be surprised we lost. Moving forward, I wouldn't say the playoff dream is dead, as long as Gase can figure out the offense in the next two weeks. New England and KC are the same as Carolina- you simply have to win the shootout to have a chance. We can't do that today with this line and Cutler, but that doesn't mean we can't in 2017. It's still feeling an awful lot like a 6-10 season at this point though.
Count me in on the Gase hate wagon. I know there are some that will make excuses due to the lack of personnel, but his play-scheme/general play calling is not what I want for my offense. Granted the more important firing is Tannebaum and basically anyone making decisions in our draft room. We can't afford to miss on such a regular basis in the early rounds . Unfortunately Ross seems to gutless to fire anybody, and too football ignorant to know who to hire.
NEXT YEAR!!!!!!? Seriously? You actually think he'll still be running things NEXT YEAR? Good Grief Charlie Brown, you want your bumps felt!
Yeah, based on how long Ross let Philbin last... I bet Tannebaum and Gase will be back next year unfortunately
Not to start a tannehill debate but is a guy with a 37-40 record really a franchise qb?I don't think this team would be much better with him or not.
Yeah, and if he said Cutler couldn't hit the broadside of the barn last night, you'd be screaming that Gase is throwing his players under the bus.
That's possible. I've often thought that myself, but by being so close to Detroit here I saw alot of him on TV and stuff in his time here and my issue with him is if he's got the personality to be able to look at himself, his own flaws and correct them to control himself and the team. That was his big flaw in Detroit. He was the right guy to lead them out of the mess they were in, but he couldn't handle himself, or the team with the success they had. He seems to have been a bit more in check since he left here, but who knows really.
Gase is a horrible choice for a HC. This guy would be lucky to get a OC job after this **** show. Far too many people have their heads in the sand.
Haha.Whatever dude!How about hiring somebody that has a clue.Not some moron that imploded the jets!Stupid move like all his moves.
everything you said makes sense but your are missing key points in your argument, drake is not a rb1, until the 3rd qrtr when the game was already broke off Miami @$$ we had 21 yards rushing. when teams are up multiple scores the defense usually tries new looks and blitzes a lot more, if that game had been 17-21 at that point that run never happens for 1. 2 cutler is absolutely garbage (I had to throw that in). 3 its not wakes or the d lines fault, wake was constantly chipped and suh is doubled teamed the whole night. Since alanzo cant cover a corpse why not blitz him? stop blitzing jones its not working and cam read the only time we blitz the lbs along w jones like a dime novel called the right play for a td, it seems every team is 22 steps ahead of us. the last portion I have to argue is the comment regarding playoff dream isnt dead. its the 10th game of the year and your asking for someone to figure something out when nothing has changed since week 1 besides losing ajayi and cutler being hurt for 1 game. we are 1 fg and marriota from being 2-7 this team offensively is absolute garbage I think we can beat the buccs but after watching cam pick us apart I think Winston is going to have a field day it seems everyone has the script for us and they follow it to a T. but you are right 6-10 would be nice I said that from the beginning of the season 6-10 would be nice and everyone crucified the talks lol good post
NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!! WE CALLED IT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHO IS NOT GASE WHO IS NOT CALLING PLAYS WINK WINK!!!!
I hthought he was only out last week? and it don't matter fitzy looked good so im sure he will look like a proven starter even more so that our 10 mill @$$ hat of a qb in cutler
Oh, the playoff dream is essentially dead for all intents and purposes....I'm just staying positive since we're not mathematically out of the picture. We'd have to finish the year 5-2 at worst and we should grab a W next week, but then everything gets real and the offense is going to have to perform for any chance at all. About my key points though, I do think Drake is a RB1....you're judging by what he did in the first quarter, but that was only two carries. And you're also forgetting how solid the right side of the line looked last week until James went down against Khalil Mack; that's easily one of the biggest losses we've faced all season. So from the way I see it, this offense is in full blown panic mode trying to figure out how to get enough time to complete passes, and I don't think there's an answer there without the run game. That's why I said to let Drake and Williams pound the rock until the pressure is not there every single down....I don't see what else we can do. I don't think Cutler is garbage...he had a lot of great throws last night. But at the same time, he's not going to be Tannehill-like with two bruised ribs in that pocket, you won't see him stand there taking big abuse to deliver a strike. So he wobbles around dodging and throws passes any old way he can, which makes him inaccurate as hell. That's not completely on him though since our line is hurting. I don't want Cutler out there either but he's the only option right now in Gase's mind.
Ya mathematically we are because no one in the afc but the pats are really running away with anything. its good to stay positive but this team will not make the playoffs unless something drastic happens. If cutler cant do the job affectively because of his ribs then why is he playing is my question, even b 4 the ribs he never stayed int he pocket and took hits every throw is falling away and trying to avoid the hit. What if we don't grab a W against the Buccs though? what great throw did he make? I seen pretty much normal throws all night for a 10 mill veteran qb to make, what I did see is came make a handful of throws average qbs couldn't make. The pick was a horrible throw as well as the throw downfield to Thomas who had a db on him, he leads him in the field that's an easy td which I think moore or RT could have made but by any means I did not see any spectacular throws that every qb in the nfl couldn't make. Drake had 82 yards and one was for 66 yards we had 21 yards at half, him and Williams were getting stuffed they are too small and they are our #1 option because of lack of talent at the position and the only reason drake ripped off that run was because the game was already out of hand, which leads teams to blitz more and try different looks if that run wa splayed straight up it would have been stuffed, but on 31 other teams they are number 2 or 3 or 4.
Let's just say, all I heard was Gase is an O guru, ok, then we are last on the O because of what? My way highway, can't prepare for the up coming team you're going to play, players????? Last is last, I don't see the O Guru part
As if the Jests need help imploding. Still, dude built a roster that got them to a pair of AFC title games. He gave out some bad contracts after that which was his downfall. Look, I'm not a fan, I wasn't thrilled with his coming on board, but at the end of the day, pretending like he has never done anything at all and should never have been hired? It's pure hindsight. If he gets fired, I have no qualms. Just stop pretending like we have some magic insight. We went to the playoffs last year.
Based on what we've seen so far, I think the evidence is overwhelming Gase is NOT some kind of an offensive guru. How he'll turn out as a HC is less certain IMO, but I think Gase needs to fully delegate the OC position to someone else and just focus on HC duties.
I'm a result oriented type person, I don't let ESPN tell me what to think like some people, I look at the result and make my opinion from that, last is last.
that is beyond terrible thinking and is the reason we are in this mess. Tannenbaum saw the results from last year and gave guys like Stills, Branch, Alonso, etc undeserving contract extensions or extensions that paid them way too much. Process is better than result. No offensive coach would do much more than Gase would with this talent on both sides of the ball.
Process without result is meaningless. Result is ultimately what matters. The only question is how much a given result from the past is indicative of results in the future. Basically a sample size question. But ultimately it's results that matter. Also.. you have no way of knowing that another coach couldn't do better with the same group of players. In fact, I find it hard to believe that's the case because the players we have, on paper at least, are much better than LAST in points scored.
hes a Genius at it and everyone on espn has told him this why would he think otherwise and give it up?
It starts at the top and that man is clueless. Occasionally we get lulled into we’re heading in the right direction because of an occasional playoff but we are still a long ways off. No franchise Qb. OL still sucks. Defense still had glaring holes in it. We have pieces but are nowhere near being a team, especially a good one.
