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Ajayi traded to Eagles for a 4th

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    Ahh so you prefer happy sunshine pumping fans ..got it. Please direct me to the skeptics side of the forum so i don't hurt some fans here feelings.
     
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  2. Brasfin

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    Um, if his demeanor is affecting the team, then yeah, it hurts us.

    Well... we don't have an OL as good as the Eagles.

    Look, you can't just take Ajayi's production on the Eagles and use that as a point to prove it was a bad trade. That's just not how it works. If we still suck at running the ball and our backs aren't doing **** a couple of games from now, be my guest and toot your horn.

    Until then, at least this one game, open your eyes to the fact that there was no dropoff without Ajayi back there. Actually, quite the opposite, the RB's had their best offensive production of the whole season.

    If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you... maybe go join an Eagles forum and start rooting for them if it makes you feel better.
     
  3. SlyFoxxx

    SlyFoxxx Sorry for Party Rocking

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    Bruh give it up...every single time they showed Gase he was calling a play. Gase calls the plays. Just deal with it.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    lol...OK
     
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  5. Dolphin North

    Dolphin North Well-Known Member

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    After thinking about it a little longer, I see the point of trying to trade Ajayi's bad knee. Philadelphia would be aware after a physical and would probably be happy just to have whatever carries Ajayi can chip in with to keep the other guys more fresh. They obviously should be planning for a deep playoff run this year.
    10 years ago TBH I would have been cheering for a move like this, as I always wanted us stock piling picks. My issues are these 2:

    1. I no longer worry about the future because I know you can turn a team over quickly and create a contender, even if we never do that anymore. But that is also why I now watch mostly just for some entertainment and try to ignore the big picture. The big, usually depressing picture. Ajayi was entertaining for me as he ran hard and broke tackles. One of the best in the league if not the best at breaking tackles. I will miss that for the rest of the year.

    2. I have learned over the years that draft picks are not as valuable to this franchise as I would like to hope, as we just seem to blow a lot of picks, plus Tannenbaum seems to trade up too much for me. So this pick feels like something he could use in order to help move up and get the next Dion Jordan for example. (Yay!). If Ross somehow realizes what he has in Tannenbaum and fires him, maybe Grier does better with this and otehr picks on his own and I would end up happier in the end. Or if he fired both of them and brought in a new GM who spent the pick fairly well, it would be hard to argue against it. I am just skeptical and worry that we may have traded away one of my favorite players to watch on this rarely entertaining offense because he may only last another year, for a pick that will be used on a player that doesn't last more than a year anyway.

    I guess I see both sides of it now and I'm sort of stuck. Maybe losing a bit of interest as well, which actually provides better perspective sometimes. At least we blocked better last game. That can actually make things more entertaining as well, so regardless of our running back situation, which I think will be bleak this year, I can watch the blocking develop and / or regress for entertainment this year.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Drake led the league last week in broken tackles....
     
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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The only thing that concerns me about Drake is his durability. I also hope that his fumble is not a trend.

    His vision looks fine, his explosion is excellent, he is powerful enough, he is good catching out of the backfield. He is a very talented runningback. If he stays healthy and improves his pass blocking, he can be a really good running back.
     
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  8. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    against the 28th ranked defense with a slue of injuries, I don't really see something to run home about.
     
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  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Denver has the 25th ranked defense and people were gushing over Ajayi's play.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah I worry about his legs too.
     
  11. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    what are you talking about Denver has the 1st defense and the 5th in rushing defense, did you take your meds today lol?
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    25th



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  13. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    And in the last 4-5 games they've given up an average of 125 yards a game rushing.
     
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  14. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    you do understand that includes pick 6 and fumble 6 right that has nothing to do with the defense if you would be accurate and stop trying to put it towards your argument you'd understand that Denver has the top all around defense and give up less than 100 yards a game rushing for a top 5 rushing defense, we are talking about defense not points against, that includes special teams and defensive td im talking defense alone.
     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    lol...I understand what it includes.

    They've had 2 fumbles returned for TD's. If you take those points away they go from giving up an average of 24 ppg to 23 ppg. Which puts them at about 18-20th in the league. (Not taking in account other team's pick-6's etc. So most likely they'd be even lower)

    Denver is 3-5 with a defense, since week 3, that has been playing in the bottom half of the league. Twist it anyway you wish, but they've given up 125 ypc, on average, over their last 4-5 games. They are not a good defense right now.

    Their defense has a total of 5 INT's which is tied for 4th worst in the league. They have 2 fumbles recovered which is tied for 2nd worst in the league.


    However, even the NFL GSIS uses the method I used in regards to defensive scoring. If you don't know what that is Google it.

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  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Seattle Seahawks still on their history run. Just need to finish 23rd to break to have the highest rating scoring defense for five years.
     
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  17. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    they still let less than 100 yards a game which is what is being talked about not your prolific stats, we were talking ajayi and the broncos IE defense and rushing. im sure there could be a state somehow that shows Miami in the top 10 of offense too just not enough to comment about.
     
  18. cbrad

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    There's one offensive stat where we're tied for #1: we've lost only 2 fumbles so far (tied with 4 other teams for #1).

    Otherwise, the only offensive stat even half-way worth mentioning where we're top 10 is Cutler being 8th highest among starting QB's in completion percentage at 66.2%.
     
  19. Dolphin North

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    Good to hear, I hope keeps doing it. Was that off of runs or passes as well? Kind of looked light when running to me.
     
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  20. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Uhhhhh..... it was a bad trade....
     
  21. KeyFin

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    You do realize that those things count against all teams, right? 25th is 25th.

    Again though, let's look at the bigger picture here- we're comparing six runs for Ajayi to less than a dozen runs for Drake. People frown when I bring up that Matt Moore had the best QBR league-wide because it was across 3 1/2 games....folks here are judging on about 30% of that sample size with the RB's and trying to use it to prove a point. All we can say at this point is that both Drake and Ajayi have skills.
     
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  22. Boik14

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    Getting rid of a locker room cancer with a bad knee (and due a contract after next year) is never a bad idea.
     
  23. cbrad

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    Because of Matt Moore's games this year you can now justify comparing his OVERALL rating under Gase vs. Tannehill's overall rating under Gase because Matt Moore now has 152 passing attempts under Gase in the regular season and 188 if you include that playoff game. And passer rating tends to become a reliable stat with 150+ passing attempts.

    Moore's overall rating (meaning you act like all his stats came from one game) under Gase in the regular season is 88.3, and his overall rating including the playoff game is 90.6. Those numbers are now directly comparable to Tannehill's overall passer rating under Gase, which is 93.5.


    As far as this running back argument is concerned, I can't say as much because I don't know when YPC with running backs becomes a reliable stat. However, I can apply something called a 2-sample t-test for unequal sample sizes to test whether two sets of data are statistically speaking likely or unlikely to come from the same underlying distribution. Results:

    1) Ajayi's and Drake's YPC data for all games with at least 1 rushing attempt cannot be shown to be likely to come from different underlying distributions (so it's still consistent with claiming the same RB produced both data sets).
    2) The same is true even if you limit the comparison to all games with at least 5 rushing attempts.
    3) Ajayi's 9.63 YPC with Philly as a single data point IS statistically speaking different from the rest of Ajayi's YPC numbers and consistent with claiming the RB was in a different situation than here in Miami (for one game).
     
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  24. Sceeto

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    Just chill. Time will tell.
     
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  25. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Denver is 0-4 in their last 4 games. They are 1-5 in their last 6. They are not a good football team right now. The Eagles, (before Ajayi) were ranked 3rd in the league in regards to rushing offense. They are still ranked 3rd in the league. I.E. Means Ajayi really hasn't affected their rushing offense. Yet. May that change? Possibly. But harping on 8 carries as proof of anything is nonsense.

    The Broncos last 4 games in regards to rushing defense:

    148 (Giants put up this number and they are ranked 28th in rushing offense. The Giants have 1 win all season. Against Denver)
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    Not good.
     
  26. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    not hard to have a high completion percentage when all you do is throw bubble screens and slants
     
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  27. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    yes I do realize this what I was saying is I wasn't talking about point or anything I was sayin in all around Denver was the 1st team and 5th in allowed rushing that's all not points allowed etc. we were talkin about ajayi
     
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  28. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    agree DEN looked like ish last night
     
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  29. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    They got really hammered with the fumbled punt, blocked punt, and then the 103 yard kickoff return for a TD. If special teams had shown up they may have made a game of it...
     
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  30. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    ya 24 pts off special teams will kill you
     
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  31. cbrad

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    Denver wasn't the only team that looked like crap yesterday. Buffalo did too (obviously.. 6 rushing TD's allowed by that "great" defense lol), but also the Jets and Bucs. We play Buffalo twice and also play the Bucs and Denver so that's good news for us. What really sucks is losing to the Jets, and losing 20-6! I really hope that loss doesn't turn out to be the difference between a WC and no WC after 8 more games.
     
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  32. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    I agree every team besides the panthers and pats we have left on the schedule seem to be struggling at the moment. so we will see.
     
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    What's really interesting is that KC is also struggling. They've now lost 3 out of last 4 and not necessarily to strong teams (except arguably Pittsburgh). They get the lowly Giants next but after that is the Bills, so at least in KC's case I do hope they figure out how to get back to their winning ways because we're in real bad shape if the Bills beat KC.
     
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  34. danmarino

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    Drake averaged nearly 12 ypc yesterday on 7 rushing attempts and he did so against the 2nd best rushing defense.

    That is waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Ajayi did against the pitiful Broncos.

    Why didn't anybody say anything about this? lol
     
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  35. Vertical Limit

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    I like drake my issue is we still use damien williams who sucks...
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

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    You can see what NOT having Ajayi does for the versatility in the play-calling - especially on early downs. Whenever he was in there it was pretty much almost a guarantee the defense was looking for a run play.
     
  37. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree.
     
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  38. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Seriously, look at Drake follow his blockers then hit that tiny crease and turn it back up inside for an 66 yard TD. This year Ajayi would've bounced outside towards the boundary and gotten taken down.

    EDIT: Is this image showing for other people? It shows when I hit "preview", but not when I'm scrolling thru the thread.

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  39. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    It's showing for me.


    I posted a picture the other week from the coaches film. It clearly showed how Ajayi refused to follow the game plan and instead decided to improvise every time he touched the ball. Now, an argument can be made that he developed that bad habit due to the poor o-line play from last year. However, the o-line hasn't been atrocious this year. yes, they've had break downs etc, but if Ajayi had went with the play the majority of the time he would have been more successful with the Dolphins.
     
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  40. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I think Williams is a below average runner. However, his receiving skills are fantastic.
     
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