fu## the jets..and fu## the Diaz brothers...for all I know they had my friend Manny killed. where are you jet fans??? you know your lurking? come out and playyyyyyyy our defense is going to hurt them..serious Josh mcnown will not finish this game..
And THAT is why the anger about the kneeling protest is a joke. Everything about it is *** backwards. The people exercising their freedom of speech are 100 times more patriotic then this clown.
Half of our society are not the brightest bunch. HEY " Someone we can all HATE " (like its something to be proud of ) new standard of acceptability not even beginning to see that their own attitude is what is creating a huge part of the problem they blame others for........And now this whole new level of ignorance is being taught in schools to our kids....great... Its like thinking division and separation is going to help some how... Not like society was ever the smartest but now even more lost and the scariest part is they don't even have a clue of how lost they are...... Practicing hate and separation as seen in some post here and in 1/2 the present society is the accepted thing and they are hating at everyone else and missing the root of the problem..while thinking they are the solution...Wow planet earth really is the insane asylum of the universe..... Coming together is the only answer if we truly wanted to become a better society but afraid people don't have the will or even the awarness to do that. What a pity
I'm sorry, was my thread title in poor taste? This was an attempt at humor, I'm sorry that wasn't obvious enough or if I've offended you. But continue to speculate about me, preach on, and **** the jets(except you, you can hug as many as you want).
How to evaluate the Jets fanbase: 1) Consider how "smart" the average jets fan is. 2) Realize that 1/2 of the jets fanbase isn't even that smart! Apply to other teams as required.
While I respect you Tony, I definitely nonconcur that kneeling during the playing of the national anthem is patriotic, but this has more of a personal effect on me than it does most others as I've lost "brothers" in Afghanistan. For me it tarnishes the ultimate sacrifice that Wilberto Sabalu, Ashly Moyer and Michael Discioscia made while serving our country. I just look at it like this, they volunteered to serve their country, their country sent them into harm's way and they died. Regardless of "your" feelings on the justness of of our country's policies, always remember that THESE individuals are the true 1% and they playing of the national anthem is a tribute to THEM. It's just how I look at it, but then again, my life experiences differ from most others.
I have read plenty of people who also have lost people who say the exact opposite of you. That there is nothing more patriotic than kneeling for the national anthem. That their brothers did not sacrifice their lives to force people give up their first amendment rights. Even the person who came up with the kneeling for the anthem protest was a soldier. I do not know if he lost brothers, but he was Special Forces. Just because you decide to interpret something someway, does not mean everyone who has your experience does the same.
I sincerely don't want you to take this the wrong way, but if anyone fought and/or died for a song or a flag instead of the ideals those songs and flags represent, then they fought/died for the wrong reasons.
They didn't fight or die for a song my friend, but that flag and that song is a reminder of those who did and we should show them the respect they deserve and show appreciation. They died...so we may live.
The flag/anthem are representative of our nation as a whole, which includes the sacrifice of soldiers among other things. While those sacrifices area very important part of our nation, it is far from the only part. You are willfully choosing to take what they are saying and make it about you and your perception and get offended about that, when they have made clear that is not what they protest. Many of these athletes have directly expressed respect and gratitude towards the military. Perhaps, though I do not know, some have relatives or friends that serve. Your discomfort is there to spur understanding of what they are actually protesting, which is not you or your brothers in arms. All they want is for people to listen to the problems they put forth. They do it this way because, frankly, nobody cared until they did. They have a platform and are using that.
As a combat vet who has also lost brothers in Afghanistan I have no problem with anybody exercising their freedoms that those guys gave their lives for. Saying that, kneeling at the anthem is just stupid. Kaep had the national stage every Sunday after his games. He could have easily said what he wanted then. Instead, he's turned something that is a REAL problem (police brutality) into a protest against the U.S. and the President. And yes, I realize that those who kneel say that they aren't protesting the flag or the military or the U.S. or the anthem, but that's not what most people see. And right or wrong, that's the truth. His "movement" has warped into everything but a protest against police brutality.
Well this thread is a deja vu.. Just going to point out that NFL ratings are down 7.5% from last year at this time, probably because of this controversy: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21056998/nfl-ratings-75-percent-week-6-2017-compared-2016 And unlike last year's drop early in the season, there's no election to blame. The NFL really needs to figure out how to end this public perception problem or it's going to impact their earnings for years to come.
I'll just do this one more time and then I'll take some pills for the headache I give myself from banging this box of rocks between my ears repeatedly against the wall. It's a free country. Like it or not. On the particular subject of NFL player anthem protests: Do we all realize that the NFL sold, YES SOLD patriotism to the US Government in 2009. Millions of taxpayer $$$ went to the NFL to have the military honored, flags waved and the players on the field for the anthem. Until this happened the team stayed in the locker room. There was no giant flag on the field. Until 2009, when they got PAID FOR IT. Dark knight my brother, you got no idea how much I respect how you feel. I stand for the anthem at the bar if I get there early enough, at home too. No ish. But the hypocrisy of the majority of those, including POTUS who has to be nudged by his foreign bride to remember to properly respect tradition, is nauseating. Nippleheads who would sit on my flag while wearing a T-shirt claiming his proper respect of our institutions are far more revolting to me. I've seen way more disrespect for our flag and the patriots who made it the symbol that it is from the fans in the stadium and people in society every day than I ever will from someone taking a respectful knee in silence. And I think that's going to have to be the last fom me on this subject. May the force be with the USA