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Amateur night for gase and burke.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hitman8, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    This team was not at all ready to play this game. Bowles and the jets coaching staff thoroughly outcoached us.

    They had a great gameplan to stop the run and put pressure on cutler on defense.

    And on offense they concentrated on attacking our linebackers in the middle of the field and our corners over the top.

    We had no answers, made no adjustments except for running some stupid plays like the fake punt. I think we only took one deep shot all game long. Stupid penalties on both offense defense and special teams.

    Gase and burke should be ashamed of themselves. Seems like these two young coaches are still on their learning curve.

    I hope they get their act together and figure things out quickly.
     
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  2. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Tannehill really sucked this one up.
     
  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the proper thread title here should be amateur night for the OL. They were downright pathetic IMO. It's hard to run an offense when you can't run the ball without your RB getting hit in the backfield because someone blew a block. Now, they didn't blow that block because of Gase, or Burke... they didn't blow it because they weren't "prepared". They simply got beat. Not necessarily by a better player, with more talent, but buy someone who just wanted it more. Sure, I suspect someone will say, well... gase should have motivated them more... Ok, whatever... but at some point, guys have to do what is expected of them on the field. Steen... didn't get it done. Neither did Davis or Bushrod IMO. It wasn't about guy not being in a position, just guys getting overpowered, and beaten.

    Verner was in a position to make a play on the deep ball... but... he got beat by the speed of the WR. That's not on Burke... what do you want him to do? Strap a motor to him? Verner got beat. Maxwell was beaten all day as usual because all he does it give space, take bad angles, and hesitate to come up and hit.

    My suspicion here is that we're going to see some guys losing jobs this week. Either by cut, or by demotion. There was alot of half assed effort out there, sure, you can claim they weren't "motivated" by the coaches, but players play. Coaches coach. It's not like guys were grossly out of position or clueless, they simply got beat because there was a complete lack of effort. I'd like to see Burke change this up, some more press coverage and such at the line, but the way our guys played today, with their own effort wouldn't have changed the outcome.

    The same goes for Jay Cutler. He wasn't missing passes because of the playcall from Adam Gase... he was just wildly inaccurate, under pressure, had no run game, is still shaking off some rust with his mechanics, and is still not really on the same page as his WR's.

    I don't know... but yes, there's a couple things I'd point at the staff for today, but far more things I'd put on the guys on the field before the coaches. A repeat watch may change my mind, but I dont think I have it in me to watch that again. lol
     
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  4. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    This is absolutely right. Neither are prepared for their jobs. Now, the FO may decide to stay the course and hope in due time they grow into their roles. But right now, both are in way too deep. These two guys are bush leaguers disguised as NFL coaches.
     
  5. cbrad

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    Gase should have put Moore in. If your QB can't get it done for 3 quarters you don't just keep hoping something will click in the 4th.
     
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  6. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    My bad, fixed it.
     
  7. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Well actually, the bad oline play can also be put on gase and the coaches. These are the same guys who put a very low value on guard play and missed out on quality free agents and high round draft picks at guard because of it.

    I've been saying it since last season we need better guards. Bushrod was terrible last season and we resigned him to the mimimum to be our starter. Our only free agent aquisition was larsen who is a career backup and we were depending on him to be the starter. He gets injured and now we are depending on a couple of novice udfa in steen and davis to step up and start.

    I dont know what kind of idiot coaches would think that guard play is not that important. Bad guard play ****s up the entire offense both running and passing.

    Our bad situation on the interior of the oline is also entirely the fualt of gase and tannenbaum.
     
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  8. djphinfan

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    looks like Leonard Williams beat the crap out of pouncey
     
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  9. brandon27

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    Well, what you've just described; to me is more of a personnel department problem. Personally, I think we're so strapped by some of the contracts Tannenbaum and company have dished out, that there's just not enough cash left under the cap to properly address the OL at this point. I'm not entirely sure you can blame that on Gase. For all we know, he could have been pounding the table for OL help, and the personnel guys haven't gotten it. I'm sure he's got input on the building of the roster, but I don't think he's got final say. At least, I dont think he did when he was hired, and I'm not sure if that's changed.

    I don't like it either, but this is what happens in the salary cap era when teams are paying big contracts to guys who aren't contributing. Ryan Tannehill is a great example this year. Of course, injury is just something that happens, but that's a big chunk of cap dedicated to a guy having no impact. Suh's deal is huge, but so is his impact. It's tough to build a roster/team, and I think we've made some questionable decisions since Tannenbaum got here with free agent contracts, and really, the draft isn't exactly paying dividends either. I can't necessarily put that on the coaches. Realistically, when you look at some of the OL contracts handed out this offseason in free agency... It's hard to imagine a scenario they fit under our cap situation. If we had signed someone, or two, what would we have done after Tannehill went down in practice? It's just... we're in a bad spot when you look at the roster and cap IMO. That's not on the coaches. Aside from the OL though, we could have the exact same discussion about the LB unit, but it's the same damn thing.

    I can put some of the questionable playcalling decisions on them though, but ultimately, the way this OL played today, and has played the last few years it's really had to execute and offense. Verner got burned bad on that TD, and yes, he got beat, players got to execute, but his first play of the game is man press with no help (unelss someone blew it at S), seems a bit... odd? It's hard too though when you're starting Chase allen and mike Hull at LB along side Alonso... so, you're making calls doing what you can do to try and minimize the effect of that.

    It's easy to blame coaching, but when you really look at it, the construction of this roster to me is a much bigger concern.
     
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  10. Walter

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    The whole OL got the crap knocked out of them....
     
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  11. dolphin25

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    I agree with this. Whoever you want to be the backup give them some reps on games like this where it is over. For me it would be put Doughty in and give him some real game reps. Game is over a couple snaps would help the backup more then meaningless ones for the starter.
     
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  12. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    calling for Gase's head is a little too extreme
     
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