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Divisive on Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Whether you like him or not, Miami is in a position where he is the player they can least afford to lose. That statement is based on how this team was built, what we saw in Moore and what is out there in free agency. Frankly, that scares me. Again, the model franchise is NE. Not only do they have Brady, but do not lose a step with Jimmy G. NE gets it. The Qb is the most inportant position in football and sports, so they fixed that issue. We don't deserve to be held hostage on the health of Tannehill. Gase has finally dropped the ball. The front office has dropped the ball. Moore is a great short term fix. But where is the strategic thinking? Please don't tell me Doughty and Fales are worth anything. I hope Miami addresses this issue this preseason and next offseason. Miami fans deserve better and have patiently waited for this season


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  2. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I trust Moore
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Really- did we lose a step against the Jets when Moore stepped in? He led us to a come-from-behind victory when RT got hurt and the biggest blowout of the year 7 days later....followed by another win after that...both against division rivals in must win games. Nothing about 2016 indicates that it's time to panic and the coaches IMMEDIATELY said today that they have full faith in Moore if RT should miss any time.

    Heck, Matt's first pass today after RT was hurt was a bomb to Stills that resulted in a TD. A few minutes later he hit Landry in triple coverage. None of that signals that the sky is falling.
     
  4. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    While I got nothing against Moore.... it's the Jets.
     
  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Sure- but are we so elite that that's the standard we hold our backup quarterbacks to? If you can only beat the Jets by 30, you aren't fit to start on this roster?

    I want RT to be the guy everyone has hoped that he is. And I'll tell you now, if we bring in a quality backup to compete for the starting job against Moore, we've seen this enough around the league to know that RT's days may be done in Miami. Heck, it happened to Chad Henne that way- plus Favre, Manning and too many others to count. You don't sit multiple seasons and stay a lock as QB1, which is why the team is handling this exactly the right way.

    Take this slow, get the best opinions possible, and then start making decisions.
     
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  6. NCPhinFan

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    I would rather have Moore than Cutler or Kaepernick. Ajayi is going to see most of the touches anyway.
     
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  7. btfu149

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    I don't think the front office or Gase dropped the ball at all. As a matter of fact Moore is one of the best backups in the league, so if anything they were successful in making sure he's still here.
     
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  8. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    reminds me a little of 1999? Warner replaced Green.
     
  9. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Gase has dropped the ball?

    Garoppolo was a second round pick. People would have howled to high heaven if we had invested in a QB with our second round pick.

    NE got lucky with Brady. If he wasn't their QB, they would have had to invest significant resources in the QB position. They've been fortunate that a sixth round pick turned into the the GOAT.

    We can't base our long term strategy on that. Our FO did fine with the QB position. A good starter, a competent back up. Not every team in the league can say that.

    After this year, NE is not going to be in such a great position. They are going to have to make a decision on Brady/Garoppolo. They may choose Jimmy G. Either way, if something happens to him, they then won't be in quite the shape they are in now.

    I just think its the height of foolishness to blame the FO because Tannehill got hurt. Injuries happen. They'll adjust.

    Some Miami fans deserve better than the product on the field...but in large, the team has reflected the passion of its fan base. I think Adam Gase is a good as anyone could expect and as much as any fan deserves. He's smart, his players like him, he takes responsibility, and he's got a plan with the team and the roster. To dump on him for this is nuts.
     
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  10. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Its crazy talk.
     
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  11. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    And the losses were to the SB Champion Pats (that we lost to with RT starting) and Pittsburgh, in a game where the defense didn't even show up.
     
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  12. resnor

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    When will people get it about NE? It's NOT the QB, it's the SYSTEM. Brady was no one as a draft pick and a backup, now people talk about him being the GOAT. Jimmy G has looked awesome. Jacoby looked good.

    Gase didn't drop the ball. With all the other needs on the team, they weren't going to use a high draft pick on QB with Tannehill AND Moore both on the team.

    You guys kill me.
     
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  13. Csonka Marino

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    Bill had a .450 percentage before NE. Only 5 wins his first year in NE. It was a combination of Brady and Bill. It's not just the system.
     
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  14. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying Brady isn't the GOAT? At least in the discussion, top 5? If you aren't, you are on a VERY small island of opinion. Brady may or may not be the very best to ever play, but he's certainly in the top few. And NE got incredibly lucky by drafting one of the top QBs to ever play in the sixth round.
     
  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    LOL

    I think it's silly to use his first year as a barometer for whether his system works. The better barometer is how the offense functions without Brady. Or, look at the win percentage when Brady throws at a lower than 85 rating.

    In my opinion, its absolutely the system.
     
  16. KeyFin

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    It pains me to say this, but Brady is likely in the top ten ever to play the game. While we'd like to say Marino is #1, anyone outside of Miami is going to point to those rings and place folks like Manning, Elway and Favre higher on the list. Maybe Rodgers too. But none of them have been as successful and made as many Super Bowl appearances as Brady.

    My only caveat is that Brady will always have an asterisk next to his name in my opinion since the Pats have been busted cheating so many times. While they probably didn't need to cheat, they did and that will always make me view Brady as a bum. He's just a bum that has outplayed 99% of the QB's who have ever taken the field.
     
  17. Fin-O

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    While he may not be the GOAT, Tom Brady is an amazing QB with amazing instincts and amazing ball placement. The system was built around Tom Brady, Bill wasn't running that style when Bledsoe was at the helm.
     
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  18. Dolphin North

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    My only worry about Moore is that he may not make it through 16 games without a concussion again. If we had a decent backup I would not worry about him starting though. What exactly bothers people about Moore? Was it the 105+ QB rating after getting used to the low 90's with Tannehill? Was it Moore's almost double TD percentage and lower interception rate? Was it that his passes went for more yards on average? The only thing wrong with Moore is that he was not drafted high and has hurt the noggin', but now that Tannehill is no longer a lock to keep getting up, you can't hold that against him if you like Tannehill. This team has a viable backup. I just don't know if he was expected to play a full season.
     
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  19. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Wrong place. Mods delete
     
  20. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I understand PERFECTLY what you are saying resnor...New England's success is indeed their SYSTEM more than it is their quarterback. When you have a successful SYSTEM, the quarterback is just a tool in that system and if anyone needs proof...

    Joe Gibbs, Head Coach of the Washington Redskins won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years with 3 different quarterbacks...Joe Thiesman, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. All three of them were good quarterbacks but it was Gibbs' SYSTEM that won those Super Bowls and its no different in New England.

    Tom Brady could retire at the end of this season and if anyone thinks that Patriots are now going to be a push over, you're as naive as the day is long.
     
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  21. Redwine4all

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    LOL...Of the modern era, he's the best. Of all time, that's hard to say. Johnny U played a different game, but he was at a far higher level than any of his peers when he played. But since the 90s, other than Peyton and occasionally Rodgers, I can't think of anyone even close to Brady.
     
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  22. Vertical Limit

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    Exactly... you can tell not many people here watch college football.... brady was doing this in michigan..
     
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  23. jdang307

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    Cam wake wasn't even drafted and had to go to the CFL. He's only great because of the system.
     
  24. Bpk

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    Or when Harrington replaced Culpepper!
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Right. And no one was predicting Brady to be wildly successful, and be in people's conversation for GOAT.
     
  26. Rickysabeast

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    We didn't lose a step in that game no. But Moore was a raging five alarm chemical dumpster fire against the Steelers. His 2 fumbles and our tragic run D cost us that game.
     
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    1982, 1987, and 1991 is not within 4 years.
     
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  28. Csonka Marino

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    You can debate both sides if you use the 49ers. Someone can state it's the system, or they can state it was Montana and Young.
     
  29. Walter

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    Moore lol

    Moore is great at his position backup QB....emphasis on backup....thats it folks hes a good backup...starter lol

    Gase is behind the 8-ball...and if he chooses Cutler IMO he is not so smart.
    Whether people like it or not only shot we have now (now) is Kaeper. He's the only thing out there that we'd even have a shot with, not that Im saying he'd get us to the playoff but compared to other solutions Cutler, Moore, wed have more of a shot. And Kaep has the athleticism as Tenne and actually could be better than Tannehill. From the lack of legitimate choices Kaep is the only shot....and Gase seeing that or not will have a large degree of insight into his intuition.........

    If your throwing in the towel with Cutler of Moore I'd probably let Doughty (sp) learn on the job... Not like we'd be going anywhere anyway.
     
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  30. jw3102

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    I believe the Dolphins will have a similar record whether Tannehill or Moore is the QB this season.
    I still think the run defense and the OL are the major question marks going into the season.

    I thought that the Dolphins were still at least two drafts away from being a legitimate SB contender and with a much harder schedule"on paper"this season, I felt they would likely have a record between 7-9 and 9-7 this season.

    I am much more worried about Pouncey not being available for much of the season and the guard play than I am about the fact Moore will be the starting QB. If Pouncey misses half the season or more and the guard play isn't better than last year, the Dolphins will be lucky to win 4-5 games this year, with or without Tannehill.
     
  31. Rock Sexton

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    What did that "athleticism" do for him once he no longer had a top flight NFL Defense masking his one-dimensional, "single-read and run play"? Answer: Nothing.

    Unless we plan on rolling out one of the league's stingiest defense, you can kiss this Kaepernick thing goodbye. He would have been signed already if they know he could be the difference between a losing record and the playoffs. The guys severely handicaps what Gase wants to do in the passing game and he brings notable distractions with him. The Dolphins would be utter fools to subject themselves to that for a 1 year bandaid.
     
  32. Rock Sexton

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    He was also getting blasted behind an O-line that never got on the place to Pittsburgh and had ZERO run game. Expecting him to elevate the entire team in his first career playoff start is ridiculous.
     
  33. Walter

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    If Kaep is the bandaid

    Cutler is the injury


    Being able to move around behind our OL has had great value to the point of being a necessity in the past. One of the things Tanne did sometimes well....Cutler ???

    Just my opinion that Cutler could be a train wreck. Hope Im wrong but IMO he doesn't have the athleticism and will to be successful in our system. Kaep would have some real weapons with him on offense unlike SF, and the Defense is a whole different conversation..... But we will see ...and this is on Gase if successful he deserves a lot of credit if unsuccessful well just refer back to the previous 12 years of losers we've had....hope I'm wrong...
     
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  34. Bpk

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    They say the acl tore a bit more.

    What the **** is wrong with that pos brace? Who makes that ****ty thing? What exactly does it do? Because what it clearly doesn't do is protect your acl.
     
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  35. ChrisKo

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    Braces don't stop ACL tears, they just help add some stability. So it's more about lessening the likelihood of a tear.

    I know because I tore my left ACL while wearing a brace. Mine occured very similar to this latest one with Tannehill. During a soccer tournament, I hyperextended my knee and went to the sideline. I stretched it out, did some sprints and things to check stability and all was good. I put on the brace I had from previously tearing my right ACL and returned to the game. About 5 minutes later I planted for a shot and I immediately go to the ground like Ryan did. In fact, wearing the brace caused more damage because when I went to the ground, the stabilizer that is on the sides of the knees slapped tje ground first. It fractured my fibial platue because of the impact, but the ACL and MCL were torn before I hit the ground.

    And just like Ryan's, this one wasn't a complete rupture like my right knee was, it was only a partial tear. I didn't have the option to use stem cells back then, so I had reconstructive surgery the next week. I don't understand how they could not do surgery this time. Ryan's already shown there's not enough stability with the first tear, so not sure how rest is going to help now. Just get the surgery over and bust *** on rehab already.
     
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  36. Bpk

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    Sorry to hear you went through that chris. Can you share anything with us about the rhab process amd how your knee acted once healed? Is it stable now.
     
  37. Rickysabeast

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    What? He's an NFL QB. Should be able to not have two fumbles regardless of the conditions. He lost us that game in large part.
     
  38. Rock Sexton

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    Regardless of conditions. Give me a break. The whole team sh*t the bed.
     
  39. ChrisKo

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    Having torn the ACLs in both knees, I don't wish that on anyone. The rehab hurts like a ***** for the first 3-4 weeks. The first part of rehab involves getting your range of motion back. That includes both ways, flexion and extension. My second ACL tear was back in 2004 and the first one was back in 1992, and the gap in technology and recovery was tremendous. With my second one, I was given a motion machine during my initial recovery that will help move your knee while you lay in bed. I think that greatly sped up my rehab process because it forced me to increase my ROM (range of motion) very early in the healing process. It was like having my very own advances mediaeval torture deivce. The first couple of weeks or so after surgery is strictly non-weight bearing, so working on ROM is about all you can do. Once your a bit more mobile and can make it to a PT facility, then the real work begins. Like I said, ROM is super important, so they'll want you past 90 flexion as quickly as possible and at 0 or even negative extension. Getting to that 0 degree extension is probably what hurt me the most because that was literally using a mediaeval torture device. You basically put your leg on a flat board from your heel to your buttocks and then straps are used to pull your knee to that board. PAIN! I still shudder at the thought of being strapped to that damn board and the strange look of pleasure on my therapists face. Anyway, once range of motion is good, you start actually strengthening the knee and supporting muscles. I did a lot of balance board, leg extensions, hamstring curls, bands, stairs and slide board work. The muscle group that too many people miss to help stabalize the knee is the hamstring. To woel those out beyond the hamstring curls, my therapist would have me sit on a stool with wheels and for 5 minutes, use only your legs to pull yourself around the room. I highly recommend you give it a try if your looking for a hamstring exercise, because after 30 secs mine were on fire.

    After about 5-6 weeks of that intense PT, i was allowed to return to physical activity as long as I had my brace. It was my goal to beat Willis Mcgahee's rehab plan (it used to be out there on the ney somewhere) to squat 200+, but I missed it by 2 weeks.

    Anyway, after about 6 months Ibstopped using the brace all together and returned to physical activity. And today, at the age of 42, I am playing indoor soccer with no braces on my two surgerically repaired knees.

    There's different options on how the repair can happen, but for both of mine, I opted to have a graft replacement using part of my own patellar. The other options are to have a graft from your hamstring or a replacement from a cadaver. Not sure if there are more options these days.

    Fun fact: one of the doctors on my first ACL surgery was part of the team that worked on Bo Jackson's hip. I guess I know Bo?

    Anyway, my experiences are from being a high school athlete junior year and 12 years later when I was about 30. I was not in NFL shape and not trying to return to the NFL so my experiences don't translate 100%. And I'm also not a doctor, so don't take my comments as medical advice.
     
  40. Bpk

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    Dude this is amazing insight! Thanks for sharing that.
     

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