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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, May 30, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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  2. KeyFin

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    No offense, but it's a BS list. The Pats do not have the best receiving corps in the league- if they did, we wouldn't have been the only ones who knew who Hogan was in the playoffs. The Pats are ranked #1 in that poll because of Brady...who isn't a part of the receiving corps.

    I would argue with anyone that we have the best receiving corps in the league. Take the Raiders, for instance. Great receiving corp with great speed, but their roster has very little versatility. Miami has specialists that can beat you many different ways, and at the end of the day I'd take that any day of the week. But like others have said, we need a deep playoff run for people to really see why our receiving corp is so special.
     
  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yea putting NE at #1 took a big dump on that list from the start.

    No WR core can attack all three levels like we can, especially if Parker keeps improving.
     
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  4. jdang307

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    At the risk of being accused of being a Pats lover, I'm not but I actually love Cooks. what level can't the Pats attack? Cooks can actually operate short INT and deep. Edelman in the short to intermediate. Gronk wherever Gronk goes. Malcolm Mitchell showed some promise. Then there is Amendola and hogan still. Hogan was their deep threat last year. He lead the league in ypc. Now Cooks will also be. Oh and Dwayne Allen.

    I think our Corps CAN be tops in the league. But you're hoping Parker develops. What do we have at TE if Julius does his annual injury report visit. Landry is the shiznit. I LOVE Stills. The way we become #1 is when Tanny throws for 300 ypg or so.

    The Raiders Crabtree operates pretty well close and intermediate. Amari Cooper
    Is nice. But who else.

    I like Tampa. I might like them the most in the league except for TE and Brate isn't that bad. Evans and Desean might be the best pair in the league. Humphries is more than capable from the slot. What can we do that they can't?
     
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  5. ChrisKo

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    I actually agree with you on the Pats recievers, people knock them too much, but adding Dwayne Allen and Cooks makes them great.

    You forgot the Bucs drafted their TE, OJ Howard and that will be a scary offense, especially if Doug Martin is back 100%.
     
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  6. jdang307

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    Shoot forgot about Howard but I do think most TEs don't do much in their first year.
     
  7. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I think the experts put pats in the #1 category on all passing related rankings like offense and receivers because of the qb.


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  8. Rickysabeast

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    EH. I like to see us int he top ten of anything so from that standpoint, it's a great list. Our WR corps is only ever going to be as good as T-Hill is at getting it to them and our OL is at buying T-Hill time blah blah. But, I think T-Hill is DEFINITELY on the way up so we should see exactly how good our WR's are this year. Boatloads of promise and I'm excited as we never had a great WR corp since Clayton and Duper (had great dingle WR's like OJ but never a wowee corp maybe you could argue Shula's last year with Irving Fryar and team.

    This list gets me more thinking about Fantasy Football then thinking about the Phins. I'm totally taking Matty Ice or Rothlesburger now that Bryant's back in...
     
  9. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed. Whether you're 1 or 10 doesn't matter they're alll dependent on the QB still. Our WRs are good enough and can we great but that will depend on Tanny.

    I'm not sold on TE even though I like julius Thomas. If he can stay healthy I really like him. He was misused in jax.
     
  10. resnor

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    No, I think they're put at #1 because that receiving corps is dangerous, whether it's Brady or Jimmy G throwing them the ball. Those guys run crisp routes, get open, and catch just about everything. Add in Gronk, and players they added this off-season, they are a nasty receiving corps.
     
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  11. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    so those guys on another team are still the best? think before you answer
     
  12. danmarino

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    Some are. However, without the cheating some are not.
     
  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Its a good point. Any time people have a discussion about these kinds of things, there is a distinction between "most talented" and "most productive". Whenever I talk about whether one QB is better than another, I always look at how they would each perform on an average team with average teammates and coaching.

    Edelman, Hogan and Amendola, individually or as a group, would almost certainly not be as productive on virtually any other NFL team. Take them off the Patriots and put them on random team X with a different coaching staff, and its likely bust city.
     
  14. resnor

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    It doesn't matter how they would be on another team. On the patriots, in that system, with whatever advantages they are gaining, they are dominant.

    None of the receivers in NE are dominant receivers, though.
     
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  15. danmarino

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    You spelled "cheating" wrong. lol
     
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  16. resnor

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    I spelled "cheating" as "whatever advantages they are gaining." Haha.

    Their system is short quick passes, to receivers who are quick burst guys. Now, I think it works so well because of their advantages... but, you can't argue that their receiving corps is pretty damn dominant.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    Bah, there's only one way to spell cheating in the national football league. P - A - T - S !
     
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  18. jdang307

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    Gronk? This article included all receivers not just wide receivers. Brandon cooks is easily a 12 to 1400 yard receiver in New Orleans with targets. He was used as a short area almost gadget player the first year and it was still on pace for 1000 yards. The last two years he's also been a deep option. Yeah he's not on the level I'd put AJ green, Julio, Antonio. With NEs emphasis on short passing they wouldn't utilize that anyway.

    His rookie year he won routes against DBs like no other and ranks very well when it comes to separation vs DBs

    As for just wideouts no TE as I saiid I really like Tampa Bay. Evans is so beastly. Then you add Desean Jackson?
     
  19. resnor

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    Yeah, obviously Gronk is dominant. I was referring only to "receivers" with that word. I know the article was talking about all the potential receiving options, including tight ends. But, Edelman, Amendola, etc are not dominant.
     
  20. jdang307

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    Dominant is overrated anyway. I love WRs, who doesn't. But I have WR and LTs as the most overrated positions in the NFL. I'd rather have a great coach and good enough WRs than a dominant WR corps and meh coaching. QBs trump them all, obviously.

    Tanny + gase and our 8th ranked corps can be the best at the end of the year. There are only so many WR targets to go around. You can't have 3-5 studs. There just aren't enough passes to go around.

    Edelman isn't dominant, and he wouldn't have the same success unless he's on the Packers or with another great QB. I mean, we saw the same with Welker.

    But to say he's a scrub as someone alluded to earlier, is a bit much. Dude is super quick. He doesn't drop a lot of passes (3.1% which is good, not great, but good). Great shuttle and cone numbers.
     
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  21. Unlucky 13

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    Edleman is likely coming to the end of his time in NE anyways, so we'll fine out! He turned 31 last week, and is in the final year of his deal.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    I agree, but if you sent our entire receiving corp to New England next season, Brady would probably win each game by 60. If you gave them the opposing team's playbooks and told them how to beat defenses in real time, they might score 100+. We are WAAAAAY more talented at WR than NE is.
     
  23. jdang307

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    Is he 31 already? For some reason I don't recall him being in the league that long.
     
  24. Unlucky 13

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    Yeah, 23 old rookie in 2009. Only 11 total catches in 2010 & 11 combined, then 21 in 2012. I think that most people just didn't think anything of him until he had 105 catches in 2013. They switched up their offense and gave him a big role after Hernandez went to prison.

    It would sort of be like of Carroo or Grant hung around on the team without doing much on offense, and then suddenly broke out in 2020 to have huge numbers.
     
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  25. Ohio Fanatic

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    and one of the best TE's in NFL history.
     
  26. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Limited. You can plug in Duarte and he would be the best


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  27. Unlucky 13

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    Dude, you're insane. Put Gronk on any of the 32 NFL teams, and he's a pro bowler.
     
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  28. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    He is limited. Injuries. It is NEs system


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  29. Ohio Fanatic

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    blind as usual
     
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    This team has so much potential not yet tapped. Add Drake to this long list


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    I like Doug Farrar. I agree with him often.

    But I don't think our receiving corp is better than Dallas, Seattle, or Pittsburgh.

    Our TE situation is a big question mark, and none of our WR threats can match the impact of Antonio Brown, or Dez Bryant, yet. Here's hoping Devante Parker can be that red zone terror...
     
  33. bakedmatt

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    If that were true, why would they trade for Dwayne Allen?
     
  34. Bpk

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    Only ranking that matters. I come first. You come second, or not at all.
     
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  35. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Without reading every post in this thread, I'm simply going to say this...

    If you can't RUN the ball, I don't care how "good" your receiving corps is, you're only going to go so far. If your offense can't force the defense to keep 7 in the box out of respect for your running attack and they're dropping 5 and 6 to cover your receivers, you're going to have a bad season.

    I've said it a thousand times, the key to being able to pass the ball lies in the running game and despite our difficult schedule this season, I have a feeling we're poised with Ajayi to give Tannehill a great season.

    I just don't see that in some of the other teams listed ahead of us on that list.
     

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