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Where will Landry be on the top 100 players this year?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rickysabeast, May 16, 2017.

  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not saying he's not valuable.

    Would you rather have him than Dez? Or TY?
     
  2. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Am I missing something? Aren't there 64 starting WRs? and if you add slots, 96? Not to say he shouldn't have more TDs...
     
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  3. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    Finster is prejudiced dude. He only likes flankers.

    It's cool, he catching up the the 1950's version of the game as we speak. By the time he dies he'll be up the '70's Steelers dynasty. :shifty:
     
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  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    yes, the team has a DEZ and a TY. They built the team this way
     
  5. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yeah, my bad, lol.
     
  6. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    I'm pretty sure it is easy because if he were better he'd have more yards at least not sure about TD's.
     
  7. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Yeah I'd REALLY like to not see him returning punts anymore. He's way too valuable to the team.
     
  8. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yards are important but it's not the only thing I look at. I look at efficiency as well, so yards per target, and yards per route run when I can get it (PFF).
     
  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    And that's how he should be considered. Wes Welker was nowhere near as good as those other guys, but because people considered him a slot receiver he was always considered one of the best WR's in the league.
     
  10. cbrad

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    Just remember.. the one stat that trumps all others in measuring WR's over a career is total number of TD's. Almost everyone at the top of that list is already in the HoF or very likely will be while that's not true for other stats:
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm

    TD's can vary wildly across individual seasons though so it's less reliable than some of the other measures you listed for any given season, but over a career that's the most important thing to look for.
     
  11. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh, I value TDs no doubt. I was just talking about yardage in this situation.
     
  12. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Jarvis is not used right, and ironically, over-utilized. I agree, the ST's need to stop. But he is a big-play-away from happening all the time. I hate the bubble-screens. How many catches does he have just over the line of scrimmage? In space he is a play-maker, see the AZ and Jets game. He is difficult to tackle. He is RT's safety blanket and on a critical down, teams know they have to double him.

    Its funny, Suh, according to this board should be higher than 55, because he is double-teamed. Well, the same thing for Landry. If that continues, we will have one-on-one matchups with all the other weapons we have. So the stats may not be there, but his value is.
     
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  13. djphinfan

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    I disagree Dano, I think Wes was and is the standard...His talents were underrated, his precision quickness was unstoppable..
     
  14. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    How was he under rated and still a gold standard?

    I dont get why a wideout is more valuable than a slot. It just depends. In our case the last few years the slot has been.


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  15. djphinfan

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    because I've been defending the guy since he was a dolphin and how big a fu## up it was to let him walk..Welker has athletic traits that are hard to see, they don't show up in the speed and vert..
     
  16. rafael

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    One could argue that the value of the slot WR has increased in a game that's moved to more passing in general and more short passing specifically. The counter argument is that it may be easier to find slot WR skill sets. Under a planet theory principal, there are only so many large people with speed, agility, etc. on the planet so more ubiquitous small, quick guys will always be less valuable. IMO there are other skills a slot WR uses that aren't as easily measured so I wouldn't agree with the counter argument. I also believe that focusing primarily on TDs is an over-simplification and ignores a large amount of value in today's game. I see the slot as a piece of the puzzle. You need both kinds of WRs to have a well rounded unit. I'd be hard-pressed to quantify either type as more valuable than the other.
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I think you misunderstand me. I think Welker was a fantastic receiver. However, and because his talents were typically not that of a Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson (By that I mean their physicality or long catch abilities), he was usually not considered a great "WR" by most. However, he was considered by those same people as a great "slot receiver".
     
  18. Finster

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    Boundary WRs are easily more valuable, you laid out one of the primary reasons, there are fewer of them on the planet AND YET you need more of them on your team.

    I think it will be an extremely long time, if ever, that a slot WR gets drafted 1st overall, because a slot WR is a leftover position, it's for guys that aren't physically gifted enough to play boundary, any WR on any given team can play slot.
     
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  19. dirtylandry

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    we shouldn't have to distinguish if he is slot or not.
    Jarvis will get ripped off because he is a slot. However, his production is far better than a lot of wideouts
     
  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree. However, I think most people look at certain talents (ie those held by WR's like Johnson and Bryant) and if another WR doesn't meet that criteria they get knocked down a notch. Thus the caveat of "slot" receiver. I would prefer to look at production rather than skill set also.
     
  21. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The importance of slot WRs have definitely increased with the focus on short passes. Also, rule changes have helped. So much so, coupled with the importance placed on the position, you're seeing boundary guys encroach on the slot position. You have Odell running routes from the slot. You have Larry Fitzgerald experiencing a resurgence because he runs routes from the slot. AB and Julio Jones line up outside and in. TY Hilton lines up both in and out.

    There is a reason why Landry was determined to prove he can play outside, and not just the slot. It is the more valuable position. Landry isn't Edelman quick, and he's not super fast on the top end. But he's quick enough, fast enough, and more than savvy enough to play the slot. He isn't what you want to line up wide. I believe slots don't have to line up on the LOS either? So they're getting cleaner releases and don't have to face the #1 CB usually, and don't have to worry about a jam right away.
     
  22. jdang307

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    To me, that's the biggest reason to be excited about our receiving corp. Stills doesn't necessarily need to be double teamed, but you better have someone over the top watching him busting that post route. If Parker is truly healthy and in shape, then he's going to be commanding double teams regularly. Linebackers are keying Ajayi to keep him from going beast-mode, so that often leaves Landry looking at single coverage IF this offense shakes out like Gase hopes it will.

    That's when those 5 yard slant routes become 80 yard TD's.

    Maybe that's too much to hope for but I really think that we will become a logistical nightmare in the next 1-3 seasons. There's just too many weapons and not enough ways to keep us honest if everyone executes.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Landry has also proven with enough open space he is able to make a few people miss. He can easily turn those 5 yard outs into 15 or more yard gains.
     
  25. Redwine4all

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    And if Julius Thomas can command some better matchups, either Jarvis could be facing a LB or a second S in coverage which should be an advantage for us.
     
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  26. dirtylandry

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    you cant double anyone
    we may have 4 1,000 yard WR/TEs
     
  27. Fin D

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  28. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    So he is ahead of Cooper. Just saw the updated list. It tells you the value his peers put on him


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  29. Pauly

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    Also it seems tohelp a lot to play predominantly for 1 or 2 teams.
     
  30. cbrad

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    I think if you're a good player in general they try to keep you on the team. With free agency that usually means you'll be on predominantly 1 or 2 teams so I'm not sure that will separate "elite" vs. "good".

    But number of TD receptions does seem to separate "elite" vs. "good" if you go by getting into the HoF.
     
  31. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Terrel Owens and Randy Moss get a lot more debate than theynshould. Based on their numbers they are straight up first ballot HoFers.

    On the other hand the chatter is Calvin Johnson and Reggie Wayne are HoF locks, but their career numbers are not in the same league os those 2
     
  32. Fin-O

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    There isn't a WR you mentioned that could hold Randy Moss' jock...and Im a huge T.O and Megatron fan.
     
  33. Finster

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    Moss may be the most dangerous, but at the same time he's by far the most limited.

    He's the best 1 trick WR ever, but that's the only trick he's got, if he's teamed up with a QB that had trouble throwing the deep ball you're not getting a lot out of him.

    He's not going over the middle for anyone, lol.
     
  34. Fin-O

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    Disagree. Remember Brady wasn't before nor is now even an average deep ball passer and they set NFL records.

    BB called him the smartest wr he had ever seen, you don't get that by being a one trick pony.

    If he had the desire of a T.O for example, he would've smashed NFL records. Problem is he was an idiot.
     
  35. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Brady is an avg deep ball thrower, but throwing to the best deep threat ever.

    Moss was a sideline deep threat, the best deep threat ever, but there was not much else he did, excellent hands, great speed, apex height and a ridiculous catch radius, but sideline deep threat.

    I'm just pointing out that he's a different WR than TO or Megatron, who will do any and all dirty work, working underneath, making the tough catch across the middle, etc.

    Moss was sick, there's no argument there, you'd take him over the others, and I wouldn't argue that, but he's a different player, in a vacuum I would take Megatron over Moss personally just because he's a complete WR, but depending on the team I very well may take Moss over him.
     
  36. dirtylandry

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    42. He will be pissed


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  37. Puka-head

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    Slightly left of center
    Those of you that thought he was seriously going to be completely left off the list, please take this brief moment to SLAP YOURSELF!!!

    Biggest rise in the history of the list! Cuz he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER! On a list comprised of and voted on by football players. Can't wait for this season to start!
     
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  38. Dolphin North

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    I'm surprised. And happy.
     
  39. Itsdahumidity

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    Juice is Forty Deuce!!
     
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  40. Rocky Raccoon

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    No one more upset that Landry is 42 than Landry. He's going to be posting a "41?" in his locker this season.

    Go get 'em, Juice!

    Also, sign that man!
     
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