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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I agree. However, in his day people were calling him the greatest to ever play. All because of those dominate Super Bowl winning teams.

    That's why I've always said that Aikman and Brady are very similar.

    *Edit: Unless you're talking about my spelling. lol
     
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  2. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I was.

    And Troy Aikman was as prototypical of a QB as Jesus ever made. But he was a Carson Palmer with much better surroundings.


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  3. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Lazor was the worst play caller EVER. To the point if he was hired to be the OC for the Vegas Raiders they would be accusing him of throwing games on purpose. Marino woulda walked over to the sideline and kicked him in his balls.
     
  4. btfu149

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    Manning only had a "solid offensive line" in Indy? Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are HoF caliber wide receivers. Dallas Clark was an awesome tight end for years, Manning always had great production at running back too (Faulk, James and Addai was very solid for a couple of seasons). Those were some of the most loaded offenses in the league every year, they went 2-14 without him because they started 40 year old Kerry Collins who was awful and of course Curtis Painter for the majority of the season.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    All very accurate, valid points. Unfortunately, they will be ignored by those who wish to put all credit for team success on the QB.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What are we arguing about, his numbers improved because of better parts and coaching, I know I said that would be the case, as did others, what's left for him is what Gase and Christensen has talked about publicly.
     
  7. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you don't have to guess. Just go see what he said in December.

    He said it was a lot for the QB to handle. Erik weddle said it was too much for Tanny. And Gase said he was right.

    All facts.

    When Gase said it was the other players, it was 2-4 games in, and the offense was putrid.

    When the offense was finally humming, Weddle said Tanny was no Manning/Rivers, etc. And pulling back helped Tanny.

    Gase admitted Weddle was right.

    Gase went from:

    QB is doing just fine but the other 10 guys aren't there yet,

    To

    Yeah it was a lot on the Qb's plate. It was a lot on the receivers as well.

    If you can't see the difference between those two statements you're just purposely pulling the covers over your eyes.
     
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  8. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Yeah, because Weddle knows about the workings of the Miami offense. lol

    Anyhow, Gase said it was too much to expect Tanny to keep everyone on the same page in a new system. RT didn't need the system simplified, his teammates did. Fact.
     
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  9. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Yeah, that's why Eric is who he is. He knows this offense probably as well as anyone outside this building,"

    Gase's words.

    Oh yea? Let me find that in Gase's December quote. Can you help me?

    Hmm. Funny, I don't see anything about Tanny being just fine but everyone else having trouble.

    Let me guess, you're relying on the quotes from the 1-4 start and the offense as putrid.

    Gase has defended Tanny aggressively all year. But didn't here and conceded Weddle was right.

     
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  10. resnor

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    Dude, you always trot out those quotes, and act like they're saying what you say they're saying. Except they don't. Nowhere does Gase say that Tannehill was the problem. He says that there are guys here and there doing the wrong thing, and that puts alot on the QBs plate. Now, you seem to have a low opinion of Tannehill, and you interpret those quotes to paint Tannehill in a bad light.

    Except Gase didn't say what you say he did. But you know this, because we've been disputing your assertion about those quotes since the very first time you brought them out.
     
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  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    "He knows the offense as well as anyone outside this building." Somehow this means he knows what's going on IN the building?

    Perhaps Gase didn't feel like making an enemy in the national media? Who knows. There's any number of reasons he said what he said, the way he said it, and many have nothing to do with agreeing with Weddle.
     
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  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You beat me to it. lol

    I'm outside the "building". I know as much as Weddle. lol
     
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  13. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No where in your quote did Gase single out RT. In a very diplomatic way, he said that the new system wasn't second nature yet.

    However, here's the last bit of the article you're quoting from:

    Lest anyone misconstrue Gase's simplified approach as a sign he doesn't trust Tannehill, the truth is he actually has a lot of faith in his quarterback. Since this spring, Gase has encouraged Tannehill to make and extend plays with his legs. Tannehill has done just that, and perhaps the best example was a play that actually got overturned last week against the 49ers. Tannehill scrambled to his left and threw across his body for what would've been a 32-yard completion to DeVante Parker had Parker's hand not come down out of bounds before his second foot.

    "We made a bigger point of emphasis on him not waiting around for progressions and encouraging him to, if what he's not looking for is there, create something," Gase said. "We feel we have the right skill guys to kind of play street ball with him and go make plays. There have been a few times where I'm kind of, 'No, no, no,' and then he makes a play.

    "He seems to make the right decision and we have a lot of trust in him as far as what he's doing with the ball."
     
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  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    People don't understand sarcasm anymore.
     
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  15. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I know...lol...I took that as more of a slight against Weddle than how jdang took it.
     
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  16. Fin-O

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    This is where it get's weird.

    It should not offend or upset anyone that the offense needed to be dialed back for Ryan. For Weddle to say that and Gase to respond any other way than laughing, let's you know it's true.

    But who cares? It was his first year in the system, he isn't going to master the offense in one year. He isn't Peyton Manning.

    And when Gase keeps banging the drum about "mental reps" how getting hurt was going to help him so much long term, you can kind of read between the lines.

    This is encouraging not a diss. Reason being, it reveals that he may have not even scratched the surface of how good he COULD become once he gets a firm grip on the offense. The ceiling is the roof, boy's.
     
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  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Gase did basically respond by laughing. He was cutting Weddle down in a nice way. So nice, in fact, that a lot of people didn't realize it.
     
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  18. resnor

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    You guys understand sarcasm, right? It's completely reasonable that in response to a question regarding Weddle and his comments, that Gase just said, "Yeah, he knows the offense as well as anyone outside the building." Translation, "He's not in the building, he didn't know what's going on in here." That's completely reasonable.

    So, the problem occurs when someone takes a quote, and ignores all other evidence, and interprets the quote in a manner to support their own presuppositions.
     
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  19. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I would call it more than reasonable. I'd call it a fact.

    Weddle: "I know that Gase simplified things for RT."

    Gase: "Yeah, that's how Weddle is. He thinks he knows what's going on. He knows about as much as anyone...outside of this building." *snicker*
     
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  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I wanna say I'm shocked that some people don't get this. But I'm not.

    What Gase said, is like saying, for a lawyer, you'd make a great ditch digger. Or for a poker player, you'd make a great fluffer.
     
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  21. Fin-O

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    Common sense.

    You have Eric Weddle who has been an upstanding vet who doesn't insult anyone in the media and a very smart productive player making a comment about the play calling being dialed back or more conservative.

    So either...

    A.) After facing Gase in the AFCW for years at least twice a season, when watching film he or the Raven scouts believed the offense became less complex than earlier in the year.

    B.) He was just being a d-ck.

    Gase's response? The key sentence is "that's why Eric is such a great player"...

    Either...

    A.) He respects a pro bowl S he has faced off against for years, and gave him credit for recognizing the difference in the play calling.

    B.) Gase was just being sarcastic, Weddle IS NOT a great player and he has no idea what he's talking about.

    I know which options make the most sense.

    Lazor did the same thing and it worked.

    When you are a young QB who hasn't played the position long, you take longer to see things. It's what happened with Bill and it's what happened with Adam. And it's worked.

    Sometimes it's okay to not take everything that isn't pro Tannehill personal.

    I can see arguing with a bunch of extremist fans, hell even Pats fans were ready to trade Brady before Jimmy G got hurt.

    Fans are one thing, coaches and HOF players are another however.


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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...annehills-advice-earlier-in-loss-to-seahawks/
    http://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/20...ase-intends-to-listen-more-to-ryan-tannehill/
    This was after the first ****ing game. All other lies and bs, is irrelevant. This is what happened, this is how it played out.

    After the Titans game:
    http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolp...erned-with-pass-protection-not-ryan-tannehill
    And considering EVERY SINGLE PERSON complaining about Thill's ability to grasp an offense have also been the SAME people that swear Thill had deep ball issues and had problems in "clutch' situations....well, you can't say it better than Gase:

    http://www.thephinsider.com/2016/11...ill-call-out-media-deep-throws-fourth-quarter
     
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  23. Vertical Limit

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    I feel like ive read this same thread posted 50 billion times on this website. Makes me nauseous.. tannehill is what he is, and thats our starting quarterback until a career ending injury ends it for him. Get used to him, i am not his biggest fan but i know hes not going to go away. We can win with him, not sure we can win a championship but we can be in the playoffs like the chiefs do with alex smith every season. Ill take being in the dance than what we were doing for over a decade after Marino retired..
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Complain about the same argument being made 100 times, then makes the same argument for the 100th time....
     
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  25. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No one is saying that the offense wasn't scaled back.
     
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  26. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Oh.

    My bad.


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  27. resnor

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    Sick of hearing the conversation? Then tell guys to stop posting the same beaten down arguments that in turn, spur our responses.
     
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  28. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Brady is a better QB.
     
  29. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    What the hell did I just read?
     
  30. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    How about everyone stop posting about this crap. Including the article FinD posted.
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Brady is probably smarter. However, in nearly every other way they are identical. Except Aikman is more athletic than Brady.
     
  32. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    What part don't you understand?
     
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  33. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Intelligent words. In English.
     
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  34. jdang307

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    See the problems you guys have is if anything seems to be a knock on Tanny you go full TDF. Saying the offense was pulled back and Tanny had his best head, twice, is an assessment. But that assessment doesn't jive with your feelings and emotions so you gotta go all defensive.

    It's not a knock on Tanny to say he isn't yet Manning or Rivers. It's an assessment.

    What you guys seem to hold onto is Gase's comments when he didn't figure it out yet, that Tanny was fine but it was the other 10 guys.

    When he finally fixed it he didn't stick with that narrative. He pointed out it was a lot to ask of Tanny, and the other 10 guys. He abandoned the "it's not Tanny it's everyone else" narrative. He places the blame on his shoulders. He wanted too much too soon from everyone, including the QB.

    It'll get better. But that's not good enough for you. We have to admit it wasn't Tanny but it was Landry and everyone else instead.

    You guys trying to hang your hat on sarcasm fail to address the fact he didn't even contradict Weddle but went on to explain why Weddle was correct.

    You guys pooh-poohing the idea that Weddle is not in the building so he has no idea what the offense is about, would you say the same about Zach Thomas. These guys spend hours each day every day their entire lives studying football. You guys crack me up. You don't need to be in the coaches room to know if the QB is going up there and making a bunch of changes at the line, or going Dante Culpepper on you and Only reading half the field on each play
     
  35. finsfandan

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    How about an accurate assessment? Tannehill isn't great at anything, just average or slightly above average in different categories. He isn't going away any time soon barring a career ending injury, and we'll never win a Super Bowl with him unless the team is absolutely stacked. We're talking 2013 Seahawks, 2000 Ravens. He isn't going to surge like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco for a single season either because they had more promise and better track records by now.
     
  36. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    lol...I thought you left.

    Anyhow, RT is GREAT at throwing on the run. He is GREAT at accuracy. He is GREAT at ball velocity. He is GREAT at being tough.

    Show me a SB winning team with a QB not named "Manning" that wasn't stacked in the last 30 years.

    I won't hold my breath.
     
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  37. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Also, 6 out of Matt Ryan's first 9 seasons he had a lesser passer rating than RT last season.

    Out of Flacco's 9 seasons he had one with a better passer rating than RT last season.

    lol..
     
  38. finsfandan

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    Been getting into JavaScript, Node, Express, back-end stuff and I had to set more time aside for that. Getting back into it because the draft is coming up around my birthday.

    He's definitely above average throwing on the run, I'd say that's his best trait. Accuracy, he's been challenged in distance but showed progress last season. He is tough, but I'd rather trade some of that toughness for pocket presence and escaping the pocket.

    Well of course most SB teams are top 10 offense and defense or one side compensates for the other but I'm talking stacked comparatively speaking. Like I don't think he'd have won with last year's Patriots but I think he would with the 2000 Ravens. I don't think he'd make the SB with last year's Falcons. You don't have to look very far.


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  39. danmarino

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    RT has been excellent at throwing the ball deep his entire career.

    If you watch some of his games in college you'd see that he had great pocket presence. He was coached to stand there like a robot and at other times no one not named Russell Wilson would have escaped the sacks he's taken. That pocket presence was getting better each game last season under the tutelage of Gase.

    Gorop went in day one and looked just like Brady. RT and a dozen other QB's in the league would have went to the SB on that Pat's team last year.
     
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  40. Mcduffie81

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    Utter B.S. You obviously have made up your mind on Tannehill.

    Anything else you have to say on the matter is a waste of my time so I will personally ignore it. Just FYI.
     
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