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Dion Jordan cut

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Itsdahumidity, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Comparing DJ to Wake, DJ had better measurables and had performed at the highest level of the college game.

    Cam Wake didn't become Cam Wake until after he was cut by the Giants (which btw he has said was a reasonable decision given his then fitness and skills) and had to work his way back into the NFL via the CFL and conditioning.

    The decision to draft them where they did is totally reasonable. What they did with their career opportunities, the choices they made as individuals, is what separated their NFL performance.

    Who knows, if Cam Wake had been drafted 3rd overall and been given a featherbed road into the NFL he too might be considered one of the biggest busts of all time.
     
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  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I have to disagree on DJ Pauly, he didn't perform at the highest levels in college, his stats were avg, and his game tape was worse, I wouldn't have considered him in the 1st and said so in a long article I wrote on why he was going to be a bust.

    DJ is just one more cautionary tale in a line of them, drafting a player because of the combine in spite of the fact that he didn't have stats or game tape to back it up, I thought drafting him 3rd would be a mistake, trading up to 3rd to get him was titanically stupid, taking a risk on a player is one thing, but giving two picks for a risk is as football stupid as it gets.

    I do agree with your basic point though, JT was a 3rd round pick for a reason, Zach and Reshad were 5ths, for a reason.
     
  3. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Finster, I said "perform at e highest level" not "succeed" or "achieve" for a reason. I still don't see anything special in DJ's college highlights apart from his speed. It was different from Ted Ginn, at least with Ted Ginn's position you are supposed to be outrunning your opponents. For an OLB you want to see him using pass rush moves, hunting down plays he diagnosed from film study, setting the adge, maintaining gap discipline, choosing the right pursuit angle etc.
     
  4. hitman8

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    Actually if you look at their college production Dion was not much better than wake. Wake had 191 tackles, 24 TFL and 8.5 sacks playing for penn state while Dion had 119 tackles, 23.5 TFL and 14.5 sacks playing for Oregon.

    Wake has said himself it was very unfair that he wasn't drafted and that he deserved to. The Giants actually never even gave him a chance to get to training camp and prove himself. They cut him before training camp even started he was only signed for less than a couple of months.

    Looking at their college tape also shows that dion was basically just a great athlete pretending to be a football player while wake actually looked like a football player with some good instincts and great athleticism.

    Wake ran a 4.5 40 at his pro day so its not like he was limited athletically compared to dion either. There is just no excuse for wake going undrafted and not even given an invitation to training camp while dion got drafted 3rd overall.

    It was just very bad talent evaluation.

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  5. brandon27

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    If anybody cares, Dion has signed with Seattle.
     
  6. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    It's nice they are giving him a shot. Don't think it will amount to much but you never know, with our luck he could make comeback player of the year for them.

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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That would have been the worst.
     
  8. djphinfan

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    I know he had an extremely rough child hood but I can't wish him luck, he screwed us.
     
  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, to be fair he's screwed himself too. With a skillset like his he should have been considered as a top player in this league by now. Such a waste, what a shame. I'm just not so sure he cared.
     
  10. dolphin25

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    Why exactly? It was an area of need. And this....

    A physically gifted athlete who played collegiately as a quarterback, tight end and defensive lineman before transitioning to the offensive line, Lane Johnson has started all 44 games (42 at right tackle, 2 at left tackle) he's played in since being selected 4th overall by the Eagles in the 2013 NFL Draft. During the 2016 offseason, Johnson signed a new six-year deal that will keep him an Eagle through 2021.

    44 games is way better then pretty much nothing.
     
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  11. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Good luck to him. Hope he gets his @#$# together.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That was the one move I didn't want to make. Trade up two picks for a player who isn't even a playmaker?
     
  13. djphinfan

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    I'm guilty, I wanted him.
     
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  14. Clark Kent

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    Me too. I wouldn't have hated Lane Johnson, given that Long left town, but I really wanted to pair Wake with a player I thought could be Jason Taylor esque circa 2006 (DPOTY). Some freak athletes evolve into real players, some don't. We took a shot and it didn't work out. Sucks, but in the end, I can't hate the pick (or Ireland for making it). Not many Dion Jordan's are available year to year. It's not like he had obvious character problems in college that would of lead anyone to believe he'd be suspended every season. Having said that, I don't wish him the best. He ****ed us, so **** him.
     
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  15. Clark Kent

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    All 44 games? Hasn't he been suspended multiple times for PEDs? Including this season for 10 games?
     
  16. danmarino

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    Yep. He failed two drug tests and has been suspended for a total of 14 games over his career.
     
  17. Finster

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    He has been suspended twice, 4 games and then 10 games last year, but what 25 said was he started every game he played, which is true but it's 50 games.

    Dion started 1 of the 26 games he appeared in.

    I wouldn't have wanted to trade up for anyone in that draft, but LJ would have been much better than Dion.
     
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  18. Deus ex dolphin

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    If there is any chance he can get his head on straight and focus on football, it could happen in Seattle. Human nature probably made him think Miami would keep giving him chances -given how much was invested to draft him. Now, having been cut, the reality of being a bust and out of the NFL (and all that sweet money coming to an end) may actually motivate him to really try.

    Or he'll be cut in a month or so once Seattle has a close look. Probably this.
     
  19. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Weed's legal in Wash, just sayin.
     
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  20. Finatik

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    But not in the NFL.
     
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  21. danmarino

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    So
     
  22. dolphin25

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    right, much easier to get and use.... also more acceptable. you can lead a horse to weed and he will toke.
     
  23. hitman8

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    I really don't get why the NFL has it banned. It's not performance enhancing and is not a hard drug or addictive. Alcohol is way more dangerous.

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  24. brandon27

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    Well, because it's illegal still in most states. That's ultimately why. Until it becomes fully legalized, I don't think you'll see that change. I'm not saying that's right, or wrong, I'm not going to get into that debate, but I think it's a safe bet that is the main reason why the NFL still bans it. It's more of a social/moral thing at this point for them likely while it's still considered an illegal substance in the majority of the country.

    Canada is getting set to legalize marijuana throughout the country. I think they're announcing the bill today, that will take effect in 2018 if passed. Each province will decide it's control and rules for access (minimum ages, marketing, etc, etc) so it would be interesting actually to see how the CFL handles it with their substance abuse policy at that point.
     
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  25. danmarino

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    As a person who thinks weed should be legalized let me say, you're 100% wrong. Weed can be both addictive and performance enhancing. Saying that alcohol is "way more dangerous" is also not completely right. Both have their dangers, especially amongst the underaged. However, I would agree that alcohol has more damaging affects than weed.
     
  26. hitman8

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    Weed is not addictive, you can develop a psychological dependancy on it, but it is not physically addictive where your body freaks out if you dont take it like heroine or opiods for example. There is a difference between dependancy and addiction.

    As far as performance enhancing it has pain and stress relieving effects, but it also hampers your motor skills and reaction time so the detriments outweigh the benefits as far as performance enhancement. If you want the dolphins to go undefeated next season you just have to get the other teams high on weed before the games.

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  27. danmarino

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    Not true. Weed is physically addictive and you can and will go through withdrawal symptoms. Of course how much and for how long a person smokes will determine the severity of those withdrawals. No one is comparing weed to heroine, except you. Most things aren't as physically addictive as heroin yet there are many things physically addictive. Weed is one of those things.

    Weightlifting, running, etc, while high can enhance your performance and thus help you get stronger and faster when not high. Thus, it is a performance enhancing drug.
     
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  28. hitman8

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    Again, I think you are equating psychological dependancy with physical addiction. Alcohol and Nicotine are more addictive than marijuana yet those are not banned. In terms of performance enhancing while working out the benefits in terms of pain tolerance can just as easily be had by taking an over the counter pain reliver or having a couple of drinks yet those are not banned either.

    Overall marijuana is a relatively benign substance compared to other things that are not illegal.

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  29. danmarino

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    I'm not equating the two nor am I confusing the two. I am fully aware of what each means. I'm also not talking about the safety of weed or it's "safeness" relative to other things. I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.

    However, and again, yes some things are more addictive than weed, but weed is most certainly addictive. Being addictive is not why heroin et al are "banned" so I'm not sure of your point there. Weed smoker, in particular long time smokers, if they quit, suffer from physical withdrawal. They are addicted.

    Taking an aspirin (or drinking a beer) will not allow you to run further or lift heavier weights. Weed has been shown to do both. And if you're training and running further and lifting heavier, because of weed, then weed is a performance enhancing drug.

    And again, I think it should be legal and monitored along the lines of how alcohol is.
     
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  30. Puka-head

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    Your logic is impeccable. If you haven't yet check out "the emperor wears no clothes" by Jack Herer
     
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    I have not read that book. However, there has been, thankfully it seems like it's slowly coming to an end, a long and unearned fear of weed. I worked in the ER when I was younger. I'd much rather deal with someone who was high rather than someone who was drunk. While there are definitely reasons not to smoke, weed is no more "dangerous" than alcohol. And just like alcohol, if it's used responsibly and moderately a person will suffer no negative affects.
     
  32. Puka-head

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    For now. The NFL and the NFLPA are looking into the medicinal uses right now. I would say less than two years and they won't be testing for it anymore. There is good research for pain therapy and CTE, more states every election acknowledging the medical aspect if not recreational. Canada is on the verge of national legalization. In spite of the current admins rhetoric it's gonna happen here too. And about flippin time!
     
  33. Finster

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    Yes, and therein lies the problem, to say his dedication is questionable is putting it mildly, and now he'll be in a state where you can walk into a store and legally buy MJ?

    I see another diluted sample in Dion's future, lol.
     
  34. finsfandan

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    I was so excited for him to be an OLB and he even showed promise covering Gronk despite the added weight Philbin had him put on. I really do think he was misused and that contributed towards his downfall, but it's possible he wanted to cash out all along and put minimal effort.

    In other words, had he been used as a Swiss Army knife and a drive to be great, I have no doubt he would've panned out for us.


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