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A (very) disturbing stat

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MrPhinn, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. MrPhinn

    MrPhinn Active Member

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    While watching the game, they mentioned that this defense has given up the most yards of any Dolphin defense in franchise history. That's frightening. How we ended up with 10 wins is something I'll never figure out with a 30th ranked defense.

    But that won't get you far into the playoffs, and I'm not sure why I'm hearing head coaching opportunities for Vance Joseph with that stat hanging over his head. I know the D was busted for most of the season, but that stat is a team killer.
     
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  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    According to Joseph, the yards don't matter...only the points on the board, 3rd downs and goal line stances. I'm struggling to see it though and I think we are fools for playing the Wide 9 defense with linebackers that don't fit the scheme at all. Running off-guard seems like a guaranteed 5+ yards for our opponents and that's 100% on Joseph for not making adjustments.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I think yards allowed is a phony stat.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I believe we are ranked 31st (before today's game) in yards allowed, but 14th for points allowed. I've never used yards as any good measure of how good a defense is. The biggest factor with that stat, IMO, is that the defense will be more tired at the end of the game/season. Which means something, but I don't think much.
     
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  5. evo8904

    evo8904 Active Member

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    I completely agree! I have read the articals that Denver is interested in VJ. I pray that they sign him as their HC. Look at his resume, DB coach and 1 year as DC of a 30th ranked defense lol....good luck Denver. Tons of people make the excise that there are no good players on our defense but when you are ranked 30th, that is a lack of coaching. If Denver doesn't take him, I give him 1 more year with Miami. Gase will fire his a$$!
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do any of you guys actually consider things outside of the numbers when looking at our defense?

    Like the fact that we're missing Reshad Jones, Byron Maxwell, Jelani Jenkins, IAQ, Xavien Howard missed alot of time, Alonso missed time. Misi has been out all year. We've been playing defense with 2nd stringers at a majority of positions all year. What did you expect? The overall talent level on this defense dictates pretty much exactly what you're seeing. It's backups at 2 LB spots, CB, both safety positions. Our starting LB's were nothing special talent wise when healthy, what did you think we were going to get with backups.

    I just, can't do anything but shake my head at this. VJ may, or may not be a good coach. I'd rather make that judgement with our guys healthy. However, when you look at the guys playing, what we've done, and how we've won games... It's pretty hard for me to point the finger at coaching. It's a damn miracle we've won 10 games.
     
  7. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Kubiak has been wanting Joseph for a while. Bengals blocked him....twice.

    I get that the yards suck. Even Joseph acknowledges that. But Miami is doing fairly decent in other areas. This defense gets offenses in a lot of third-and-longs. They only allow around 34% of those conversions, which is tops in the league.

    With that, how many times has the defense gotten off the field and have to turn right back around because the offense has a three-and-out? More times than I can count.

    So do you expect the defense continue to stop opposing offenses when our offense seems to just flop at times? That's a big ask, esp. when half of your defensive starters are out.

    The way the rules are set up, it's becoming more difficult to defend these offenses.

    I'm not making excuses for Joseph, just pointing out the obvious. He's doing a good job with what he has. And sometimes, teams just get beat. Sometimes coaches call the wrong play. It happens.

    But many folks in NFL circles know this guy is a heckuva coach. Gase knows this. And that's why he wanted him on his staff when he interviewed with SF. SF balked at the notion, and Gase walked. Gase gave up a HC position for Joseph. And the entire Miami organization is good for it; we got Gase AND Joseph. He's a first-year DC who could've been a DC a long time ago if not for the Bengals blocking his interviews.

    Both Gase and Joseph have had some issues, but give the guys a break. It's their first year doing this. I have a problem with people thinking they can do better. The players still have to make the plays.

    Miami is 10-6 with a rag-tag defense and a backup QB and people are complaining!

    We are going to the playoffs!
     
  8. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    The regular season is over and it's playoff time. That is the only stat that matters.
     
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  9. evo8904

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    What's the killer with VJ's defense is that they give up an average of 141 rushing yards per game. That means that our defense is getting beat on all game and wore down. Never going deep in the playoffs like that and very lucky to even be in the playoffs. Unless something drastically changes within a week, Pitt is going to win. Yes, we beat them but that is meaningless now.
     
  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    how much of this to blame is on the offense? Down 17-0, how many plays did they produce? yards?
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I think VJ is a very good defensive coordinator and would hate to see him leave.
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'd blame that on poor linebacker play.
     
  13. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Before yesterdays game the Dolphins had the 14th ranked defense (not sure what it is after giving up 35 yesterday) with half their unit injured or rookies.
     
  14. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    36% AND DROPPED TO 4TH AFTER YESTERDAYS GAME
     
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  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Maybe we should be hoping Vance Joseph does get hired as head coach.
     
  16. evo8904

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    I hope so but looking at the candidates, I think that he will be in Miami another year.
     
  17. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass against above average QBs. This defense is terrible. It's going to take some crazy schemes and blitzes to make plays with this defense.

    I think Vance Joseph may be too green to coach a terrible defense into being a moderately successful one.

    Anyway, 2017 draft... all defense baby, at least for 1st 3 picks. I know most here will probably agree with that.

    We need a LB a Safety and either a CB or another LB. The worst part about this defense is the LB play if you ask me. Bunch of back-ups being used as starters.
     
  18. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    The problem with that theory is this....is it easier to stop 3rd and inches or 3rd and 15? I understand the concept....they can drive 99 yards every time but if you hold them to FG's you will probably win....sure. The reality is though that those yards impact your ability to get off the field on third down.
     

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