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790 attempts to scoop media, makes fools of themselves

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Section126, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. dolphan117

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    One would hope that a supposedly legit radio station would have a slightly higher standard of fact then a free public message board.

    I mean heck, I think they even went to school and stuff to learn how to properly do reporterly things. :hi5:
     
  2. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    totally with you on that dude. :knucks:
     
  3. Finrunner

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    No matter which way you slice it, if you flat out cut Beck after what he's done to this point, you've pissed away a huge asset of the organization, that being an early second round pick. With zero return.

    Someone asked what he's done to be uncuttable. That hardly even matters at this point (because at this point it's still basically what you gave up to get him - again, a second round draft choice), but since it was asked I'll give an answer. He came in last year and worked like a mother. People here have short memories, but Beck's preseason last year was pretty good for a rookie QB. By the time Trent Green got hurt, many were the posters that were calling for Beck and upset that Cameron went in a different direction. And while Beck never got the repetitions he needed during the season to start an NFL game, when he was called on to do just that, he came in and led a conservative gameplan against the Steelers and didn't play bad at all. Nor did he play that bad in another handcuffing outing against the Eagles for a rookie QB with little practice. The wheels did come off in a couple games, but that happens with young QBs, and I can run a list of greats, goods, and average QBs that have had bad starts and disastrous games - none of which means they needed to be cut. Then, in the last game, he sort of started bad but redeemed himself to a pretty good day as a QB. Over the off-season, he busted his but, changed his mechanics, and did everything the coaches asked of him. His mini-camps went pretty well, and then when training camp started, he had a pretty bad first week but had come back fairly strong, as developing QBs will. His first preseason game... it was preseason. Nothing spectacular. Nothing horrid. Dan Marino played worse in preseason games. And better, of course. With a developing QB, a second round choice, none of that sounds in the least like we should cut him. Moreover, it sounds more like the kind of football player you want on your team. In no way has he been a failure, yet there are folks treating him as such.

    Teams will wait on young QBs when they go to different leagues, get hurt, play poorly... they give them time to adjust to the NFL. Some take longer than others (i.e. Gannon, Young, Hasselbeck), and maybe folks don't want to wait on a player that long. Heck, half the board at FH seemed to be willing to call Ronnie a bust after two years, and probably 80% were calling Jason Allen one. NFL players, most of them, take time to develop. WRs, it's been said often enough to be cliche, usually come into their own in their third year. Quarterbacks have probably the longest period of development. And here we're asking what has he done to not be cuttable?

    Without playing poker with other teams to at least try and get something in return? With the pros that Beck has shown in his time here? With his collegiate history? After four starts?

    There are so many reasons not to cut him, and I can't really think of one to cut him at this point. Call me crazy.
     
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  4. mullingan

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    I was referring to L2G's post about him previously submitting a rumour that got ran as a "reliable source" he talked about in another thread. Just joking around a little not really claiming he was involved in this fiasco. :up:
    I know L2G is a huge Beck follower. I believe him and I have come to the same general conclusions about our QB position/John Beck.
     
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  5. texasPHINSfan

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    see this is where i disagree with you. PFT reports how many stories a day? and very few of them are actually that far off. i'd say almost 3/4 of the stories on there are factual reports from things that already happened, complete with links. the rumor part of the "RUMOR MILL" clearly states those stories as such. some of us like to read rumors. just because they post rumors does not mean the site "throws spaghetti against the wall", and more importantly i don't understand how you cannot respect it. i don't expect everyone to enjoy it, but respect? that's a little harsh.

    you would think, but i wasn't the first person to mention PFT in this thread, and others are constantly attacking that site (unnecesssarily, in my opinion). so i was offering my two cents on that matter. i know nothing of 790 and can't contribute anything to that angle. :up:

    now back to your regularly scheduled rumor-mongering programming. ;) :beer:
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    As much as people pile on PFT, it certainly provides more NFL information than almost any other website. Updated dozens of times per day. They are just satisfying the hunger for the NFL.
     
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  7. like2god

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    Lets just make perfectly clear that I sent something to PFT back in February to prove that they don't source their "tips" and that I had absolutely nothing to do with this report. :wink2:
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    I think not. If you are in an auditorium, and you hear someone say 'my shirt may be on fire' then you yell fire, then that would be similar.

    If you just yell fire in an auditorium for no reason, you are intentionally inflicting bodily harm on others. Hence the illegality.

    But, I understand your point. 790 was certainly reckless in their reporting a rumor as fact. But thats the (capitalistic) world we live in. Morals are pushed aside for profits.
     
  9. like2god

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    I sent something to PFT in Feb and I never once claimed to be associated with an NFL club or newspaper. It just so happened that my "tip" (which was just a copy and paste of one of my posts) turned out to be true and was sourced by the Washington Post a few days later. Florio didn't ask me who I was and he didn't ask where I got any of the info, he just printed it.

    I don't doubt that people have been doing that long before me and they'll be doing it long after. I proved my point to myself and I no longer read PFT.

    While I support Beck, I support all of our players until they give me a reason not to. :wink2:
     
  10. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    john Beck is that you!:wink2:
     
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  11. Coral Reefer

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    I'm certainly not going to disagree with that.


    Going further, I don't think it should be a problem for the public they are targeting with this information to call them on that either.

    It's why I've never liked 790, their crew and the shady owner.
    in a world where morals are pushed aside, some not only excel at that but revel in it.
     
  12. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    i dont have time to read 100+ posts to figure out whats going on. can someone give me a summary?
     
  13. Coral Reefer

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    If brains were dynamite the staff of 790 wouldn't be able to blow their nose.

    Hows that? :lol:

    Don't go away mad 790, JUST GO AWAY!
     
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  14. Styla

    Styla #1 Davone Bess Fan!!!

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    If it's true, then yes that is very lame.

    I only say this because my Uncle is a reporter/journalist for a local paper here and he busts his butt to make sure the stories that get printed are accurate and true.
     
  15. Coral Reefer

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    That's a good journalist.
    Rare today IMO.
    Being a good journalist I"m sure he takes a little time to sniff out fakes and disregard them.

    The point L2G was trying to prove was that a certain site would put anything out they could from any source without any attempt to verify a smidgen of legitimacy.

    From what he says, he proved his suspicions by doing so.

    What Tex says is true as well though.
    If it's an admitted rumor listing then you know that its simply a rumor and so be it.

    That just brings us back to 790 being the horses arses yet again for trying to pass off info from a rumor mill as a real story.
     
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  16. mullingan

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    L2G had nothing to do with this rumour. NOTHING.
     
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  17. Coral Reefer

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    Your uncle is a gentleman and a scholar sir!

    Ask him if he'd be interested in a sports beat position in South Florida, we could use one like him! :lol:
     
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    It is hard to trust any thing you hear any more untill it really happens.
     
  19. Loyal Fin

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    Regardless of how well he reports, someone will find excuses to discredit him. Luckily for reporters, they can care less.
     
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  20. PMZQ

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    Sloppy journalism. Did these get their degrees in a Cracker Jack box ? :no:
     
  21. PMZQ

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    Their last ratings book would agree with you. That station is almost unlistenable. I only turn it on for Sedano sometimes and that is because I can't listen to that unbearable old Queen, Neil Rogers. :tantrum:
     
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  22. PMZQ

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    560 has the Jim "Maddog" Mandich at 4pm.....the one and only. You youngsters are way too young to remember Jim Mandich. But to us older folks he is a hero from those 1970s Super Bowl teams. :up:
     
  23. phinphever

    phinphever Punk, Make My Day!!

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    Sparano said it was BS. Beck will be at practice later to day.
     
  24. texasPHINSfan

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    i'm not trying to personally attack L2G (again, i very much respect his posts and presence on here), but i think he is blowing what he did out of proportion. he claims he never said he worked for the organization, yet he used a name of a staff member in the organization for his email address. isn't that like walking around wearing a police officer uniform, even though you never actually say "i'm a police officer"?

    but more importantly L2G DID send a scoop, which PFT printed an article very similar to. the problem with L2G's story, however, is that the PFT article cites an article by a redskins local reporter and provides a link to that story.
    what L2G "made up" as information was actually very believeable, and in the end turned out to be true (good guess).

    so i don't doubt florio has been hitting him up for more information. you get an email from a guy who's name is the same as a staff member in the organization. you do your due diligence, find out that the stuff seems likely, and then you talk to a camp reporter who verifies said information. florio cites the reporter's article in his article, then hits up L2G for more info since the first info L2G sent happened to be accurate.

    the point of this post here is just to clear the air for a lot of people reading this without knowing the details. and L2G and i have spoken offline about this and it's all good. no disrespect to him at all. just wanted to clear some of the air here. :up:

    :beer:
     
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  25. like2god

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    Correction, I never identified myself as anyone from an NFL organization and I never used a full name. Maybe he assumed I was someone within an organization because my story turned out to be true, which was just common sense and not really a "tip" at all. But I want to make clear that I didn't bill myself as being associated with an NFL team, I didn't give a full name (first initial and last name of a low level employee with a semi-common last name) and at no point did he ever ask if I was associated with an NFL organization. You're making it sound as if I misrepresented myself in the worst possible way which isn't the case. :wink2:

    If he was a journalist and if he thought that I was anyone in particular then he could have easily done a quick fact check and concluded that it wasn't the case. At the very least he could have asked me how I knew what I "knew".

    I know that you aren't trying to paint the wrong picture bro, I just want to make it very clear that I never told him that I worked for an NFL team or newspaper and he never asked me if I did. :up:
     
  26. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    If you (meaning the front office) think the guy you drafted is not good enough, then you cut him. I don't care what round he was drafted in. If the team thinks of the four QB at camp, that Beck is fourth best, then he has to be traded or cut.
     
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  27. Coral Reefer

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    If your talking developed players fine.

    this mentality would in fact get many young prospects cut before they develop though.

    It dosen't fly.
     
  28. Desides

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    :rolleyes:

    790 cannot distinguish between rumor and confirmed fact because of an economic system? What?
     
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  29. Loyal Fin

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    Not to add more fuel to the fire but I think Stringer Bell meant that 790 was simply looking out for themselves. I guess he means that they aren't going to give up the chance to have the spotlight simply because they might offend some fans. Sure..you can argue it was bad practice but if you are so adamant about cleansing the media, why don't you launch your own radio station? I can almost garuntee that you'll have fans barking at you no matter what you report. It's a cycle man. That's my only point. I know the media has slants, spins and bias but what can you do? Stop reading/listening? You would be a selective few. How do you think FOX news is a media giant, if so many people KNOW that they spin stuff? Because people will always tune in, even if it's to throw stuff at the t.v.. it's human nature.
    I'm tired of defending the media. You guys are obviously right. All I'm saying is that there's no point in going against it. Tommorow, 790 will still be broadcasting... The newspapers will still be writing and I guess you guys will still be taking shots at them.
     
  30. Coral Reefer

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    Please.....

    save me the poor embattled media cry I"ve seen from you today.

    If an outlet is going to sink to the levels of reporting sensational crap then they deserve the criticism.

    790 has a pattern of this type of Jerry Springer'esque "sports journalism".
    No sympathy for HACKS!
     
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  31. Coral Reefer

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    About Loyal Fin
    Location
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    Occupation
    Broadcaster

    Well that explains it......

    790 Loyal?
     
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  32. dolfan32323

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    Man if these guys cut Feely and Beck I would be pretty damn POed.
     
  33. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

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    No, I don't work for any football media. I study journalism, broadcasting and sociology. I emphasize human communication in my studies. And with my expierence, I sense a condescending tone in your posts towards me. Almost like if you feel you are better than me. Which blows my mind. But I understand where it comes from. You're in a dominant group(clique if you will) on the site and you're on here everyday.. i'm in your territory so you feel you can talk to me however you want and get away with it.. it's the power of the internet.
    If we were in person, that wouldn't be the case....for many reasons. Mainly because I'm such a nice guy. So please, have the humanity to respect me even if I don't have a large post count or a high "Rep 'Power'".

    Coral Reefer, I don't want to drag this any longer. And also, I don't want to ruin my "reputation" as I plan to be here for a while.. Forgive me if my media "cries" have offended you.. I just can't believe the disgust you all have for the media. But it's done. I wont speak on it anymore... honestly..

    But you should try an be a little more pleasant and welcoming. For your sake, not mine.. It's healthy to smile and to be nice to people. I hope there isn't any bad blood between us as I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone here.

    If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

    Go Phins!:hi5:
     
  34. Desides

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    This would explain it.

    Take it from someone who had an early and long-running interest in journalism and general communication; there is a large difference between the material offered for study in universities and what real world news agencies actually value.

    And to be brutally honest, your dismissal of attitudes such as Coral Reefer's is precisely why the news media, particularly print but also broadcast, is in dire straits today. Your (future) audience is trying to inform you (the plural informal you, not the singular you) of the problems with your product and you are disregarding it outright.

    There's a reason I changed majors.
     
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  35. like2god

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    I think you are taking the discussion the wrong way, noone is trying to make this personal and the staff isn't going to allow anyone to get away with personal attacks, baiting or disruptive behavior. With that said, if you are going to post an opinion on an open forum then you have to be ready for people to respond to it positively or negatively. Not everyone is going to agree with you and you can't automatically assume that they are ganging up on you if hey disagree. We're all here to discuss the Phins and we're glad to have you. :)

    On the subject of the media, when the media is participating in irresponsible journalism then the people who rely on them for their information are going to be upset and call them out on it. Not all of the media has a bias or reports rumors as fact, but the ones that do are going to catch hell from people that don't like that sort of irresponsible journalism.
     
  36. Loyal Fin

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    Thanks for your insight, this and countless other material I've read from you. You are a great example of why I come to this site as you always have a strong, convincing point and know how to deliver it.

    I'm not really sure I'm going to graduate in anything "media" related. I'm just interested.
    Even if I do get into the field I'll stay far away from sports media. For this very reason. When talking about a persons team, it's very easy to offend them. I understand this. And after the past couple of days I've realized you guys are just venting where you have a group of like-minded people. That's understandable. I just don't feel the need to attack anyones character..
    But anyways.. thanks for your input and respectful demeanor.
     
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    Loyal Fin Business as usual

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    There's a clear difference between your tone and his. But I addressed it and sent him a pm. I believe there's no need for conflict. God gave us tounges(in this case, fingers:lol:) and we should all be able to communicate civilly and pleasantly.
    But anyways, I'm over talking about the media. I can't argue that 790 DIDNT make me mad with how they handled the PFT rumor and with what they did today..along with how they run their station.. they NEVER get a dial from me.

    So I'll be avoiding the media subject. I'll try to not let the media-bashing affect me.
    Besides, I much rather talk dolphins football.:up:
     
  38. like2god

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    Well tone and emotions are hard to grasp when reading the written word on an internet forum. They're just words on a screen and you can't see the person behind them to gauge their tone. :wink2:
     
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  39. Coral Reefer

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    Speaking of tone and talking down in a post....

    I love this tact.....

    The entire beginning of your post attempts to paint me as an "internet bully" hiding behind a computer screen or because I am running in some sort of post clique. A person that would only feel comfortable expressing himself with no one to counter in person. Then you go on after the backhand to try and smooth it over. I at least would respect that tact up to here if you backed it!


    To address the issue.
    My opinions I express have don't have anything to do with whether there's a computer in front of me or a face. In fact, I've worked in media and been a partner in a small marketing shop. I've told certain individuals at this station to their face my low opinion of 790 and their tactless approach and wouldn't hesistate to do so again if given the chance.

    I would certainly be more cordial to those I disagree with that I at least have some respect for. I just don't have a respect for those in the media down here though from everything I've seen so I haven't held back my opinion when an opportunity to present itself has been given.


    In addition, I find it rather Ironic that a journalist would attempt to say I state my opinions from behind the safety of a computer not having to muster courage of a face to face interaction while stating said opinions......

    Isn't that the exact thing journalists do with their stories every single day?

    Even if I was someone with "internet courage", at least I didn't decide to make a career out of it. :lol:



    Your reputation isn't going to be ruined by anyone and certainly not from one disagreement on a single issue.

    If you haven't noticed yet, posters disagree on here about lots of stuff.


    THey didn't "offend me".

    IMO you just chose a very bad situation to decide this is the right time to try and defend media as a whole. A Situation where the media has clearly put out unresearched, lazy and simply untrue information simply to try and gain publicity. Is that the type of journalism you are hoping to become a part of? I sincerely doubt it is so why on earth would you have chosen such a situation to show your support of the journalistic field?


    The bottom line is that because you chose this specific situation to defend, made me suspicious that you were in fact a 790 rep coming on here to turn the tables on those of us calling them out on their mistake.

    I know you're not now so there's no beef with me.
    We just don't agree on this topic.
    No biggie.

    I imagine we'll be in a thread sometime this week where we're both an ally of each other on a different point.

    As you said, Go Dolphins!
     
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  40. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

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    Thank you for your opinion. In response to what I think is a question, No.. I don't want any part of sports journalism.

    How about those Phins?:hi5:
     

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