You are false, everything you've said about me is false, I never said Moore was better, never was against the trade, never said 9-10 better than Suh, you are absolutely full of it and it is truly pathetic and laughable. However, earlier this season when someone talked of trading RT, I did say we would be lucky to get a 4th, BECAUSE of the huge salary boost he gets next year, and if we were ready to trade him, then he'll be a FA at the end of the year because we would be cutting him. You remember right, when everybody was giving up on RT earlier this year? You may need to get really introspective, I mean if you can't handle being on a fan board, it's time to look in the mirror dude.
This is what drives me crazy. Who are these "people"? The random knucklehead trying to get a rise out of some of you who have defended Tanny tooth and nail? Who cares what they think. Some of us referred to him as an "average" QB who flashed at times, but offset it with an equal amount of forgettable play and the conversation centered around whether he is worth $20+ million. He looks to be turning the corner with what we've seen out of these last 6 games. They're entering the most pivotal patch of the schedule IMO - so about to find out whether it's fool's gold or not. I hope it continues. It's been a real breath of fresh air.
That depends on who you ask. We all have our different checklists. Beyond mechanics and situational football - which he clearly has improved big time - now I'm watching how he responds when the playoffs are on the line. We're sitting in the 6th spot, which is brand new to Tannehill. These are the games that can truly separate him from lingering criticisms, along with remaining consistent. I suspect teams are going to continue to challenge Tanny to beat them down the stretch.
Reality is that for some, nothing will. I know people who think Montana or Brady are no more than average QBs. Well I don't know if they believe it or just keep saying it b/c they don't want to admit they were wrong. It might be the same thing as they've repeated it so often they probably convinced themselves. So I have no doubt that Tannehill could win the SB and make the HOF and there will still be some that don't believe.
...... and you're allowed that opinion, even though it's far from proven at this point. But what makes yours so much holier than someone who doesn't believe the same? Do you have some impeccable record of scouting QB's that I'm not aware of? We're talking about a QB without a single playoff win yet who's in the middle of his first bonafide win streak. I know you'll twist that as me being a "hat3r", but let the dude finish out this season before you start crowning yourself. You always want patience when he's struggling - then we get a 6 game stride going and suddenly his career path for Canton is all but certain. For all of our sakes, I hope his play continues.
I wasn't speaking about anyone in particular. That's why I didn't call out anybody by name. Not sure why you think this was referring to you. But I am certain that for some there is nothing Tannehill can do to make them believe in him. Which is the question in the post I responded to. My opinion is based on having heard others who did not believe in Montana and others who disparaged Brady and continue in their belief to this day despite what most would consider overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's pretty clear that some become entrenched regardless of the evidence. I hardly see it as a stretch to consider it likely that the same would happen here regardless of what Tannehill does in his career.
I said "only Tannehill is playing better"? LOLOLOL Never said that at all. But thats the beauty of a message board and free speech. You can talk out of any of your holes and make up whatever you want with no repercussions. Gotta love the internet. Bottom line is if you or anyone else thinks he is the same QB just has played better due to surroundings simply have no idea what you are watching on a weekly basis...and thats okay you shouldn't feel bad or apologize for not understanding...simply making a point.
Do you want to provide some examples or names of posters that you feel "nothing Ryan does will make them believe in him'? Or should I lump you in with the others? Because frankly we have enough people who stink up this forum by making BS generalizations and make believe stories. I'll be waiting on these examples.
What make believe stories? If you've never heard people claim that Brady is nothing more than a system QB or that he's only successful b/c of Belicheck then you clearly have not been paying attention. Living out West you hear the same thing about Montana from people who never liked him. Nothing about that is made up. You honestly doubt that the same wouldn't happen with Tannehill?
Gase really helped Ryan's footwork in the pocket. It's a night and day difference. Other than that though, he's really not any different than he's been the previous three years. He's just playing for a coach that's putting him in a better position to succeed. A coach that's giving him more freedom. That in turn builds his confidence. You don't have to agree with me but that's my opinion. He's still making all the same throws he used to make. He still doesn't turn the ball over all that much. It's the same quarterback who's playing with confidence because he finally has a coach who knows how to build an offense around the strength of the players he has. Which is exactly what I thought would happen when we hired Adam Gase.
foot work is HUGE though, moving away from pressure, actually running for some first downs instead of standing their taking a sack. Those things are HUGE. He is making plays with his feet now, to me that is so important. Was sick of him standing their and waiting to be sacked. We will see if it lasts when we play teams that have winning records. Hopefully it will.
Half the people on this board think ,Brady is only great because of cheating. Ridiculous. Tanny is playing well. Let's see how he does down the stretch. I was elated after winning against NE in 2013. Those last two weeks deflated me. A nice streak into the playoffs would be football viagra.
Anyone who thinks that is full of booger eater logic. Not gonna lie - seeing us in the 6th spot of the playoff race kind of gave me a chub the other day jk. Uggggghhhh I remember those two games vs. Pitt/NE. I was like OK, I'm sold on this kid ***cue the bed sh*tting***.
I can only speak for myself, but I think Brady's greatness is in question for two reasons: 1. the cheating 2. the success of Cassel and Garoppolo in that system Now, that's not me saying Brady isn't great, but is he as great as he might at first have appeared to be? Like, five years or so ago, I was arguing with people that Brady should be in consideration for GOAT. Now, I'm not making that particular argument anymore.
For the record.. can we get your take on Montana too then? Like Brady, he was picked in a lower round (last pick of 3rd round), Jerry Rice admitted he cheated by using stickum, Montana himself admitted his OL cheated by spraying silicone on their shirts, Bill Walsh essentially admitted to cheating (also called "gamesmanship".. you know the type Belichick is famous for) by scripting the first 15 plays making it illegal for the opposing team to use their headsets, and at least 2 players from that era were suspended for PED use (Rollin Putzier and Keith Henderson, both for 4 games). Here are the links supporting these claims: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/07/jerry-rice-admits-to-cheating-says-everyone-did-it/ http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...15/06/06/joe-montana-finds-deflategate-funny/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...d-to-headset-gamesmanship-with-bill-parcells/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_League Also.. as is well known, Steve Young showed you could have tremendous success without Montana in the same system. So.. in your mind should we also leave Montana out of the list for GOAT? The cheating is there and the success without Montana is there.. same right?
He had great numbers with the 3 big guys under Philbin and Lazor. So what exactly did the coaching do? Just like the losing streak was too early to make proclamations so is this winning streak. He's played well. But again, he's had similar stretches in 2014 too. We're going into a stretch with not good or great teams but they're not the 32nd ranked defense either. Shoot I think the Ravens D is pretty good? I haven't checked
Cassell produced similar if not better numbers in KC without Moss or Welker. Garrapolo's sample size is way too small. And why can't it be that he's just another good qb? I'm not saying it's Favre to Rodgers but how that takes away from what you see Brady do is beyond me. But your life your opinion
Jerry Rice went down a couple notches in my book after I heard about the stickum on his gloves. Bill Walsh "essentially" admitted to cheating? Gamesmanship is not the same as a decade of illegal taping. Steve Young was a much different type of QB...answer this, though, how much success would Montana not had if Rice and the oline weren't cheating? Who knows. What I do know, is that people attribute greatness to QBs based upon the team winning, and if the team is cheating, then yes, their greatness is called into question for me. I don't simply find other cheaters to try to excuse the cheater that someone is attacking.
Matt Casell's average numbers in KC weren't as good as his year starting in NE. Sure Jimmy G could be another good QB. Or, he's another QB who looks good in NE's system.
Neither montana's nor brady's coach thinks they are the best QB. Bill Walsh said Greg cook of the bengals was the greatest he ever saw and belichik said Bert Jones of the colts. Go figure
What Jerry Rice and the OL did affects Montana. How do you compare the effect (in your mind) of Belichick cheating vs. having a WR that can catch balls better by cheating and an OL that can protect you better by cheating? Over a long period of time of course. And what does Steve Young being a "different type" of QB have to do with this? All you mentioned was that other QB's succeeded in the "system", which was essentially the same. Can you help us measure how "different" Young is from Montana compared to how different Cassel and Garropolo are from Brady? And of course you need to remember Young won a SB.. neither Cassel nor Garropolo have, so the success without Montana is worlds greater. Still waiting to hear from you explicitly that Montana shouldn't be considered in conversation for GOAT. I just want some consistency from those saying Brady isn't GOAT because of cheating.. if you think that way, neither is Montana.
Boy oh boy. ..where to start. 1. For someone who doesn't like people putting weird in his mouth, you have no problem doing it yourself. I said I'm not arguing for Brady to be considered the GOAT anymore. I didn't say he shouldn't be considered. 2. Of course the OL and Rice cheating affected Montana's success. I don't know how much. Just the same, the Patriots cheating has affected Brady's success. Again, I don't know how much. 3. Cassell didn't play a different style than Brady. He came in, and ran the the offense just like Brady. Steve Young was a much different QB than Montana, and ran the offense differently.
Interesting info! I think though there's a difference between talking about how great a QB could have been vs. who actually is the GOAT. With Bill Walsh, his opinion of Greg Cook seems to have been about potential to be the greatest: http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/greg-cook-the-story-of-an-n-f-l-shooting-star/ Cook “could very well have been remembered or noted as the greatest quarterback of all time.” Belichick does say the greatest passer he ever saw was Bert Jones, but he also notes the guy had a short career. So you might get a different answer if you asked him who he thinks the GOAT actually is. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-one-of-his-all-time-QBs/stories/200802020150 Still.. very interesting info!
Dude Im not a fan of anything putting anything weird in my mouth either ..just saying Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
That's bull**** resnor. This is what you said: That logically means you are no longer arguing (with people) that Brady should be in consideration for GOAT. Now sure technically speaking you might no longer argue something while still believing it, but it's not "putting words into people's mouths" to interpret what you said as saying Brady should not be in consideration for GOAT. You know what's putting words into people's mouths? Saying stuff like all kinds of posters here think QB rating is due ONLY to the QB despite repeated denials by them. Nice try in equating these two ways of interpreting what people say. In any case, I get it.. you don't want to take the same position with Montana even though the cheating is there and his replacement did worlds better than Brady's replacement. Doesn't surprise me tbh.
I mean this in the nicest way possible: eff off. Posters who repeatedly blame the QB for losses, or not making the playoffs, or cite rating as the resson one QB isn't as good as another, and refuse to admit where other players affect rating...well, you know the saying, actions speak louder than words. FOR ME, I'm not putting him in consideration of GOAT. I'm not trying to argue that he should be. You want to argue that he is? Have fun, but his team and coach have let him down. Just the same, I have no idea how much his team's cheating helped Montana, but it defintely did. So, yes, if it wasn't clear enough for you, then yes, I'd not put Montana as GOAT above a QB who there isn't evidence of cheating. Regardless, I'd not put slippery uniforms on par with the extensive illegal taping the Patriots were doing, nor is it on par with the second mic allegation made by Flutie. If you're argument is that Young did world's better than Montana, then you'd argue that Young is GOAT, right?
Hey, when you accuse me of putting words into your mouth when I didn't.. expect a strong rebuttal. But yes, now I can "eff off" (in the nicest way possible ) after the bolded part. I had to get you to write it out explicitly otherwise you could claim you never took that position. Also.. I said Young did worlds better than Brady's replacement, so it says nothing about how I think he compares to Montana. But yeah, Young IMO became one of the best QB's we've seen once he started regularly for SF (so 2nd half of his career). And yes Montana for me is at worst top 5 all time.
I don't flip flop on my positions. Initially, the post you called me out for, I said, "I can speak only for myself..." I kinda thought that spelled out that I wasn't saying anyone else should hold my position about Brady.
Yeah I know. Just to clarify, I wasn't accusing you of flip flopping. I just wanted the explicit statement that according to you Montana shouldn't be considered for GOAT because of cheating. So I was only defending my interpretation of what you stated. I always understood it was your opinion.
Your position on Ryan after the 2nd or 3rd week of the season was we should move on from Ryan. Have you "flip flopped" or do you still feel that way? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Perhaps you should revisit that thread, and see where I clarified for some ignorant people what I was actually trying to say.
