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wow. our qb has arived

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by caliphinfan, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I love that now, even though all the things we've been saying for years is coming true.....nope none fo that has anything to do with anything.

    Tannehater Insanity™
     
  2. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Sure is frustrating seeing all these people who thought Tannehill was a bum and could NOT do what he IS doing come back saying nice things and act like he's only playing well NOW.

    He's been showing these flashes of elite play for 5 years now with GARBAGE around him, breaking records along the way. Would be so much more graftifying if the people who kept wanting him to singlehandedly win games amongst the turmoil and failure would just eat some damn crow.

    Tannehill hasn't shown enough for Finster yet. He's still waiting. If our run game is still MIA, we start 3 backups on our Oline, and Parker is hurt maybe Finster will get his wish while we play the Ravens, Jets and Bills on the road.
     
  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I have a feeling some of the posters on here struggle in their personal lives.

    Newsflash: People like you will never be happy in life unless you make the change. Im rooting for all this applies to, to turn the corner as humans just as Ryan has at QB.

    #Ucandoit
     
  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The better wager is that people who can't admit they're wrong on an Internet forum struggle in real life.
     
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  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I have been very upfront on what I was wrong about, so if this is directed at me? Its a fail.

    And no, I disagree. We are supposed to grown men with real lives. If I gave 2 shnits if another dude on a message board admitting he was "wrong" imo?? Id take a long look at myself in the mirror. Then likely decide to swallow a bullet if it mattered that much to me.
     
  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Uh huh, sure.

    LOL You've been upfront with what YOU think you've been wrong about.

    If you think that anyone goes through their day thinking about posts from this site, you'd probably be wrong. I know I only think about posts on here when I actually read them, and/or respond to them. Once I chlose the browser, I'm done thinking about them. But, while reading threads, it'd be nice to see people actually admit they were wrong.
     
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  7. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Believe me, when I hit the little x at the top of the screen I don't think about you or anyone of these other posters who were wrong about Tannehill for even a split second.
     
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  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I wasn't wrong about anything...when he was playing bad I told you. When he was playing good I told you. Difference is too many of you want to chalk every bad game up to anything but Ryan. Its the accountable thing Ive been trying to help you guys with. He was playing bad and he was in a bad situation. Now? Today? He was in a bad situation and played well. Thats a credit to HIM for evolving not a credit to his cast.

    Some of you can't see it but you are taking away the props he deserves for finally being able to overcome adversity like he did today. The old RT wouldve nose dived with the rest of the OFF today and people wouldve just wrote it off to "surroundings". Well guess what, he was put in the belly of a beast and escaped today. But instead of giving HIM props you have posters who really are touting this is the same QB we have always had?? Kinda silly, but hey.
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, you're wrong. Tannehill has put up very good numbers since coming in. He's set records . Now, he's improved, yes, but WHY has he improved? Because he has a coach who actually values him, and teaches him. He doesn't throw him under the bus. So, yes, he's improved, but it's completely irrational to act like his improvement is separate from other things.

    That's simply you trying to save face about being wrong about Tannehill. And wrong you were, as the criticisms of him are being shown to be erroneous.
     
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  10. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    This is some bllsht here folks.
     
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  11. cbrad

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    This I agree with. It's mostly because of Gase we're seeing Tannehill improve. The fact he can play well even without key OL personnel is even stronger evidence it isn't the OL or running game per se but the coach.

    In any case, I've been consistent in where I put the threshold for agreeing Tannehill should be our franchise QB, and if that threshold is crossed then yeah I'll admit I was mistaken to be 100% done with him earlier this season. But that hasn't happened yet. For me, either he plays like he did today or in the SD game for most of the remaining games, or he plays decently not great but we get into the playoffs and win there. Either way is OK.
     
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  12. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    You can try to explain if ya can.
     
  13. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Explain my criticisms then explain why YOU think they were wrong :beer:
     
  14. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I think we are seeing first hand how many posters were/are way too emotionally involved. As if this is the same QB we have always had! As if games like today are common. Dude balled today and some of these guys have no idea what to do with themselves. Trying to figure out if it is funny or pathetic or both.

    What if he has a bad game next week? How will they react? who will they blame? Because the overall emotion involved will never allow for a mature honest evaluation. Its black and white and no grey. I love Trump.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    It's like I said in the club chat during the game...he's growing. He finally has a coach that can get that from him. Throughout the years, we'd see slow, steady improvement in some areas (although the doubters ignored it), and it seems to be somewhat coming together in this system with these coaches. IMO this is a glaring example of Gase realizing what his guy can do, and shaping the plans around it. And speaking of Gase, he said it best when he said he was glad everything he heard about RT was BS. I mean, it's not like he's tied to RT and HAS to sing his praises to keep his job.

    I've considered him our franchise QB for years, others haven't, doesn't matter. He's done things this year we wanted him to do in previous years, but there were myriad reasons (not excuses) some of those things didn't happen. I'm enjoying the hell outta 2016 RT...no, not my 2016 RT Scat Pack Charger...well ya that too...but I mean Tannehill.

    This streak can't last forever...there's going to be a loss or a few of 'em before the end of the season, and I won't bail on him. We've caught injuries to VERY key positions. If your nickel corner or dime safety get injured, meh, not TOO critical of a deal. But the game is won and lost in the TRENCHES. And our trench is tenuous at best when not at 100%. It improved the day Dallas Thomas was cut, but it's still not where we'd like it to be. I mean hell, look at what Dallas is doing with that ridiculous OL they have.

    When the fall does happen, and it will, please keep in mind, the best QB in the league (IMO) is Aaron Rodgers, and his "team" is 4-6 and an underdog Monday against the Eagles. Drew Brees is another elite QB, and the Saints are 5-6. Their teams aren't complete, and they're losing...and they're ELITE. Why would the same not apply for Tannehill? As far as I'm concerned, it does. Some consider Russell Wilson elite...yet today against the Bucs, they got 1 field goal...it happens.

    I worry about the Baltimore game simply because they've had our number for many years...knocked us out of the last two playoff trips, etc. But most of that worry is because they usually (and the Jets and Bills) play with much more physicality than the Dolphins do...and that's hard to overcome when you're milk-toast, vanilla, no-swag queasy Philbin coached. Gase and company give me hope that we can actually go into Baltimore and come out with a W. I don't care if it's 4AM, last call ugly. Baltimore's defense is legit, and Gase will be tested. If he passes this one, who knows where this thing goes. If we're missing crucial OL guys and RT gets battered and has a bad day for production, the run game won't be able to produce either, and if we lose, I'm not hanging that on him...but some will.

    I also trust in that Tannehill will do everything in his power to win the game. One of the toughest QBs I've ever seen, he's a gamer, and his leadership increased by bounds with the, "Take a deep breath guys, we're gonna win this game" right before the two TD drives at LA.

    He's arrived IMO...of course, he's not perfect, but who is? I'd love nothing more than to see him light up the Ravens and solidify his worth to this team and fanbase.
     
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  16. Two Tacos

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    I think you're vastly overestimating the play of Thomas, Turner, and Fox. His line play today registered good on last year's scale. Regardless, this is a debate that won't be solved, your position I mean. We have no time machine. The super hardcore Tannehill sucks, it's time to move on crowd were/are straight up wrong.

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  17. Muck

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    Another really good game for Ryan. He's developing before our eyes. He's becoming a guy who can make defenses pay and his confidence is growing. There are things he clearly does better than other QBs now and that's real progress. It's been fun to watch.

    That said, one subpar game and the internet boo birds will return. Just the way it is right now.

    As for Cousins, last week one of the guests on ESPN radio advised, "Whatever you think Kirk Cousins is worth... whatever you think he's going to get... throw it out the window. You're going to be floored."

    Basically, the guaranteed money for QBs will continue to soar. And Ryan's deal will become even more of a bargain.
     
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  18. Mcduffie81

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    People in here have been stating over and over that with improvement around him he will be a different guy. What can't you understand?

    Get off your high horse with all the emotionally unstable crap. It just got tiresome reading post after post of people saying Tannehill just doesn't have "it" or that the people who saw the REASONS behind his poor play were just "making excuses".
     
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  19. Two Tacos

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    Well, color me disappointed. I thought you were making a clever post about how if you cannot acknowledge the good thing you have, you will not and don't deserve to enjoy the good thing you have. But, nope...

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  20. Fin-O

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    You are generalizing and doing a poor job at it in my case anyways. If you are going to come...come strong and correct.

    And Im embarrassed to have to explain this to you, but I have said 4M times Ryan has had unideal circumstances....its obvious. The difference is some people stopped the "evaluation" (I use that term loosely here by the way) at that.

    if folks didn't have their heads up their own behinds they would see that he played outstanding today while missing 3 OL and Ajayi a non factor. Instead they use it to say "see, look what he is with good surroundings" ummm ok.

    The team has been better, the coaching has been better and the Qb has been better. Why is this so hard for some to digest? Would your life be fuller if I said The team has been better the coaching has been better and the Qb has just been who he always has been. Sounds stupid.
     
  21. Mcduffie81

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    My life wouldn't be fuller no, but you are on the right track. He's always been good. Right now he's playing great.

    Despite what you may think, I don't care what your stance has been specifically to be honest. If what I'm saying doesn't apply to you then just ignore it.
     
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  22. resnor

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    No thanks. Go search any of our disagreements over the past four years.
     
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  23. adamprez2003

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    tannehill could have had seasons like this for the last three years if he had the right people surrounding him. He arrived as a franchise QB in 2014. Sadly the rest of the team he needed to shine didnt arrive till 2016
     
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  24. Mcduffie81

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    If folks didn't have their heads up their asses they would have seen that Tannehill has had many games where he has played very close to this level without good surroundings in years past.
     
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  25. Fin-O

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    He has NEVER had a game like he did today. He moved in the pocket, he alluded pass rushers, took off and ran when he needed to threw countless perfect deep balls, well timed intermediate throws...this was far from what we have ever seen out of him. IDC what his stat line was today his BS QBR or whatever...he played QB better than he ever has and thats all that matters.
     
  26. Pauly

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    He had the rest of the team. Except the POS we had LG and RG, and as many people said at the time finding serviceable guards isn't that difficult in the NFL. The problem was the coaching. Wallace put up great numbers in his second year. Hell we even got fairly decent production out of Hartline ad Bess. We had Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller put up good rushing numbers. Karlos Dansby was playing great on defense and we had Sean Smith and Vontae Davis, who if coached correctly, would be getting compared as a pair to Surtain and Madison for the 'phins. wake has been here all along.

    Same thing was happening earlier this year as under Philbin with various players not doing their job the way it was supposed to be done. The difference has been that the coaching has gotten the whole team playing with motivation and discipline and has gotten rid of the non-contributors.
     
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  27. Pauly

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    As those of you who followed the off seasons threads will know that I had a more optimistic view of Tannehill than Cbrad.

    I'm with Cbrad on this. This is encouraging, but it isn't getting me ready to stamp 'franchise QB' on the Tannehill file. I want to see how he sustains things over the next 5 games.
    The most encouraging thing for me about the last 6 games is that apart from SF Tannehill has faced a pretty tough series of defenses so he isn't running up numbers against weak opponents.
     
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  28. Mcduffie81

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    That's also bull crap. I'm too tired to keep on with this. As far as oustanding performances I recall just last season against the pats, the year before against the Vikings, his rookie year against the Cardinals right off the top of my head. There are many more I'm quite sure. I'm also sure that you'll write off every game I just mentioned because they lacked one of your criteria one way or another.
     
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  29. cbrad

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    I still personally rate his game against San Diego this year as his best ever. He brought us back from 10-0 to lead 14-10, then from 17-14 down to lead 21-17, then from 24-21 down to tie it at 24-24 and then take the lead for the last time with 31-24.

    And all the while, it was easy to be confident Tannehill would help us retake the lead. No.. for me that SD game is still clear and cut the best game Tannehill has played. Today was good too of course, but not SD good.
     
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  30. dWreck

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    "In two of Tannehill’s past three games he has posted two of the three highest quarterback ratings of his career."

    daaaaaam.
     
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    Interesting little trivia tidbit: In both those games (vs. SD and SF) Tannehill had the SAME rating of 130.6. That's not easy to do with different component stats.. in fact, it's exact to further decimal points. Both are 130.555555..
     
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  33. dolphin25

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    You would not have been mistaken because he was not playing as a franchise QB. Those of us that saw his flaws and stated he needed to correct those things were and have been correct. He could not have continued to do those same things for the team to be successful.
     
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  34. dolphin25

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    You think the coaches were happy with things earlier in the year? A fan has the right to root for a team as they see fit. If they see things that need to be fixed, just as the coaches do, they have the right to point those things out. if you want to me a rah rah cheerleader, that is also your right.
     
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    yeah one game a year,,, this year he has had a couple, that is marked improvement.
     
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    So the OL the past two weeks has been crappy yet Tannehill has played well, what was his excuse the other times when he played horribly? Certainly that was not at a franchise quality.
     
  37. RealDolphinsFan2

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    I'm referring to how Finster, due to his "extensive film study" knew Suh was over rated and over paid before even a single snap in Miami. Despite what ALL the experts said, Finster knew Suh was over rated. If that isn't stupid well then I just don't know what is, dude is, was, and will always be a beast. I'm done here, see me at finheaven.com. the fans seems to be a lil smarter over there and NO FINSTER lol
     
  38. Finster

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    Our back ups are playing far superior to the past though, they gave RT plenty of time on a lot of plays, the run blocking does suffer though.
     
  39. Finster

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    Lol, you still think Suh is the best DT in the league, lol, he's just where I said he was, around 5th, and he is still overpaid, he avgs 24 mil per for the rest of his contract.

    If he's not over paid, then no one is.
     
  40. Two Tacos

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    The OL the last two weeks was still head and shoulders better than the OL last year, or the OL at the beginning of this year. How do you think he has played since Turner and Thomas were cut? Do you think that it is more likely that he suddenly got that much better? Clearly he is going to improve the longer he is in the system, but the jump in results is from more than just his natural progression. I agree his play has gotten better, but I think his line play has gotten even more betterer (shut up, is too!) than that.

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