Fin I can show you a hundred posts of me stating Ryan can get us to the playoffs with the right team around him, and a hundred more stating I don't think he can get it done when it matters..and for that reason, I've been out.
Regarding the last pâragraph, how would you propose banning a topic (i.e. tannehill threads) on a dolphins message board involving something/someone dolphins related? I dont believe you were around for the Fiedler or Henne arguments but suffice to say it was the same thing. Basically what im saying is ít the position, not the player alone that brings thế feelings out of people and it will probably continue until either he wins a SB or we have a Brady/Rodgers type.
Ít not quite that bad but yes it has changed. People come and go. They have families and jobs etc and it becomes harder to make time for a message board. We've lost some goôd ones over the years for a variety of reasons. But the biggest thing is the way members interact with each other outside of club, the tone they take, the way we speak to each other......there should be a lot more rêspect towards each other starting with some of the veteran posters who have the most invested in this place, leading the way.
I'm not so sure what why you decided to put my name in here as someone to call out (and then complain about constant bickering). For the record, I did do an analysis of RT17's career in the off season http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...ehill-should-be-a-better-QB-now-Lazor-is-gone http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?88889-RT17-and-the-run-game http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?88973-Comparing-Tannehill-to-Luck The TLR version. Tannehill is capable of playing at a high level. He was poorly served by the previous coaching staff. He performs well when the running game is stayed with. I don't trust the 'performance under pressure' stats as they are served to us because they measure quantity of pressure but not quality of pressure, this is important for me because RT faced far too many pressures where the DL had made a jail break and was coming through unblocked. Tannehill hasn't been 'meh' he has been a probowler or a scrub. What I pointed earlier in this thread was simply that in games where the OL held firm Tannehill held up his side of the bargain, and when the OL stunk up the joint his play suffered badly. Out of interest do you know what the passer ratings are of other QBs who have suffered 5+ sack games this year? My pre-season beliefs - The first 8 games were going to be inconsistent for the phins as the new coaching plans were installed and Gase established his identity as a HC. - Tannehill is capable of being a pro-bowl QB. - I want to see how Tannehill performs in the second half of the season before forming judgment. I'm really not wanting to get into Tannehill debates this early in the season simply because I expect the team to be inconsistent.
I wonder what the record and rating of qbs are when they have individual 200 yard rushing performances..
Some of you guys are acting as if Tannehill didn't complete an awesome backshoulder throw to Stills to put the game away. Or that he didn't scramble out of pressure and hit Landry on a 3rd down to keep a series going. Tannehill may not have had a superstar game, but he contributed to the win in its most critical moment, as he is often critized of not doing. I don't understand what the gripe is. Didn't he do what he was supposed to?
Yes he did. And I was happy to see that. Tanny is perfect for this role, but that doesn't mean I should trust him to perform when we need the passing game to click to win. Is this a bad thing to say? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I've been guilty of criticizing Tannehill during the Browns-Titans stretch of games, but I've mantained my reasons. To me, Tannehill's biggest weaknesses have been (1) the lack of pocket presence/bad footwork in the pocket, (2) unwillingness to improvise when things break down, and (3) general inconsistency from game to game. With his starting OL the first weakness is pretty much neutralized, though I do think he is slowly getting better at this regardless, thanks to Gase. As for the second weakness, I think his improvisational skills were pretty good in his first couple of years in the league, mainly his rookie season, but I think Philbin and co. neutered him so that he was coached to stay in the pocket. I think this season we're seeing more of this, as highlighted by the last few games where he managed to escape from a couple of sacks and turn negative yardage into positive or at least no-gains. The third weakness is still up in the air, he's strung two good games together so far, let's see how long he can keep this up. If he can manage these weaknesses and either hide them or turn them into strengths, I see no reason why we should be afraid of trusting him to perform when he is needed in the passing game. We've seen Tannehill slice through defenses before, it's not like he hasn't done it.
We also are discounting the great games he's had thruoghout his career, where despite lack of run game and bad oline, he still had good games, or great halves. Tannehill needs to learn to be consistent, but part of that is getting consistent play from the oline.
I'm joking of course. you can't ban a topic. But the world wouldn't be worse off if it was banned. There's nothing being presented that hasn't been presented before. That's the point I'm making.
Pauly, You said that this year Tannehill had 90+ ratings when he had 1 or fewer sacks which implied that if the O-line blocks well enough that RT is a good QB. That implication is not really true. I recently attempted to put in context how RT has measured up by looking at who he played and how good they were. I compared RT’s passer ratings to what I thought was a fair expectation (the opponent’s average passer rating allowed). It’s similar to what you did with the divisions in the AL12 thread. Just as you showed AL12 wasn’t necessarily out-pacing RT, what I found showed that RT wasn’t necessarily out-pacing the average QB, even in favorable conditions. 2012: -9.3 (RT’s avg passer rating was 9.3 points below the opp’s avg passer rating allowed) 2013: -3.3 2014: +4.5 2015: +0.1 2016: -4.5 It’s clear that since his rookie year, RT’s passer ratings have been within about 4 points of what his opponents typically allow. What’s more, RT’s average rating in games where he was sacked 1 or fewer times is 2.6 points below expectation. He was below expectation in 8 of those 17 games. So by no means can we suggest that RT is an above average passer in those situations when he’s not sacked. So don’t be upset because all I did was counter your statement with facts demonstrating that RT is a competent QB but not a particularly special one. So this begs the question why we spend so much time arguing this topic. The eye test doesn’t say RT is a key difference maker. The stats don’t suggest it. The play of other QBs doesn’t make RT look particularly valuable. The more effort one puts into their analysis the more they seem to get back evidence supporting the notion that RT is a relatively average player. There is both qualitative and quantitative evidence and the case is very strong that RT is not the headline and will never be. A survey of the league shows that there are many QBs who seem to be just as good at playing the position: Brady, Luck, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Dalton, Smith, Rivers, Carr, Romo, Manning, Cousins, Ryan, Brees, Newton, Stafford, Bradford, Rodgers, Wilson and Palmer. That’s 19 of the other 31 teams. There are several other QBs out there that look promising as well including Taylor, Mariota, Prescott, Wentz and Seimian. In short, Miami’s no better off at QB than the vast majority of other teams right now, or so it would appear. This is where most of us are at. We all kind of agree at this point that the Dolphins have a more or less average QB with obvious weaknesses in his game. Thus the most likely scenario to me seems to be that at best, Adam Gase is going to effectively salvage RT and push him in the right areas until he’s the optimal version of whatever he is. Maybe he can become a QB that can manage the offense, convert a few clutch 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] downs and demonstrate his big arm without turning it over too much. That seems to me to be the best case scenario at the moment. So that's all I was saying to you Pauly. I largely agree that this year is mostly about Adam Gase learning the team. We're going to see breakout performances and get a feel for just how valuable (or expendable) certain guys are. I agree with you on all those points you listed for 2016. Now, if you guys don’t mind, let me be a homer for just a second and present a case for Tannehill. I have 2 RT jerseys. I don’t have a Jones or Wake or Suh or Tunsil or Ajayi or Landry or Parker jersey. I'm not a big jersey guy and I hadn’t bought a jersey since Brandon Marshall. I was very happy when RT was drafted and I thought we saw enough year-1 to know that we had our franchise guy. I’m 30 and the Dolphins have more or less sucked during my entire life and any elite talent they have had during this time is typically wasted. That includes Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown, Brandon Marshall, Cameron Wake, Reshad Jones, and Ndamukong Suh. Like all of you, I’ve wanted nothing more than the evidence to say “Look, there it is, proof we’re good at the QB position! Proof we’ve got hope.” The real question at this point is how we differ as fans given that we mostly agree on Tannehill’s limitations. Do you stick with a solid QB or do you keep churning through picks until you hit on a great one? I'm wavering right now although I'm enough of a homer to stick with RT. I will root for any Miami Dolphin and I have enough invested that I want to see Tannehill win something. Selfishly, I think he's been robbed of the kind of team success other QBs have been afforded. Luck gets the benefit of a weak division. Dalton and Flacco both got good coaches and balanced teams. Tannehill's not had anything go his way and yet he's taken every knock on the chin with a kind of toughness and humility that you just have to admire. The interesting thing to me has always been the projection that in 5 or so years the AFC will be a hot mess of lackluster QBs. If you’re going to convince me that Tannehill really is still the guy, this is how you do it. You talk to me about building a team and about how it’s not about being perfect, it’s about beating the competition. Nobody likes talking about this though because it’s not a conversation filled with jaw-dropping stats and sexy QBs. It’s a conversation that states openly Tannehill is a limited QB with flaws. I think the reason we don’t get this conversation more often is that nobody wants to be the first to say “I’m on bored with a philosophy that advocates the use of a limited QB.” And let’s be honest, that’s alright. The stats strongly suggest that Super Bowl-winning QBs need to be very good and that the kind of defenses they face are the kind that can expose Tannehill’s slow processing and tendency to hesitate on throws. We all want a winning record, but we all realize the pointlessness of doing it with a QB that may not be able to win big games. And thus we have a tough choice. Do we commit to an average guy who may be exposed in big moments or do we bail and accept more of this unbelievably painful rebuilding? There is no right or wrong answer. It just depends how much help Tannehill has from his defense and running game. Let’s keep in mind that Rex F’ing Grossman made the Super Bowl in 2006 because the Bears defense carried him there. An inexperienced and unworthy Ben Roethlisberger made it in 2005 because the Steelers defense was dominant. Sanchez almost made it behind the strength of the Jets defense in back to back years. Guys like Kaepernick, Flacco and Eli most certainly had a lot of defensive help at key points as well. Football allows you to make up for one area by being strong in another so of course Tannehill can win and at least get to the Play-offs. The question is whether we feel Tannehill can consistently win in the Play-offs given the fact nobody has the benefit of elite defense and good rushing every single year and Miami (until last week) didn't seem to be close to having either one. Maybe Miami actually does have one of those things (a rushing attack)? In terms of the regular season, maybe RT won’t be better than his AFC competition but he doesn’t project to be markedly worse. Is there any reason a RT-led team couldn’t beat one led by Tyrod Taylor, Andrew Luck, Marcus Mariota, Brock Osweiler, Blake Bortles, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, Trevor Seimian, or Derek Carr? Actually no. There’s no reason Tannehill couldn’t win a lot of games against that type of competition. In fact, I think we can check off almost all of those guys even now as QBs the Dolphins have beaten during the last 4.5 years. We’ve also seen many of those guys beat RT-led teams. It’s kind of a wash. I don’t think RT is better than those guys but he’s probably not much worse (if at all). And that goes back to my argument that the prior decade inflated our expectations for QBs. We had 7-8 Hall of Fame guys all playing at once: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning and Kurt Warner. With the exception of poor Eli, they all seemed to be slicing and dicing a league which was recoiling from rule changes. It’s easy to becoming infatuated with QBs when you’re watching Hall of Famers duke it out every year and the rules are being bent in their favor. But the league is coming down from that high. At this moment the QBs have diminished and defenses have made adjustments. Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner are gone. Eli Manning and Aaron Rodgers are coming out of their prime. Rivers and Brees are both on the decline and neither have much team support. The only guy I’m still scared of is Brady but coincidentally, that’s the one team in the AFC East that Tannehill seems to play fairly well. Anyhow, with the exit of the old guard we now see a slew of more average passers: Ryan Tannehill, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Sam Bradford, etc. If that’s why we keep Ryan Tannehill, then you know what? I’m cool with it. I’ll say openly right now that I’m okay with that IF the team admits that the defense needs help and that the running game needs to be a constant factor. I want to see the Miami Dolphins become a tougher team. I’ve said that for awhile. I don’t want to leave guys like Cameron Wake, Reshad Jones and Ndamukong Suh stranded on an otherwise piss poor squad. That breaks my heart because they deserve better and we deserve better as fans. My guess is that Suh is here because Tannenbaum promised him not only big money but also a committed effort to build an elite defense. If I’m Suh, I’m starting to wonder whether the team is really committed to that or whether I bit on a lie. But we haven’t gotten that yet and we’ve focused on the QB because we want to believe that position is the key to winning. It’s not. We’ve seen a bad organization screw up everything and put an otherwise average QB in a position where he needs to be Tom Brady. But at the same time, we as dedicated fans have given RT every possible shot to show us something and have forgiven him for every imaginable sin. We want so badly to believe he’s great. He’s not. So to conclude this ridiculous rant which I apologize for, I just want to make clear that I can be pro-RT if we’re talking about RT as a part of something bigger. I’m just not going to argue he’s a great QB because he’s not. The data has never supported that he is. That said, I want to see the team succeed as much as any person on this board and it’s definitely possible for it to happen (to some extent) with RT if the conditions are right. I concur with others that he’s learning the offense now and that it’ll take time. I agree that Gase is the best coach he’s ever had. If Miami keeps RT next year, I won’t cry about it because again, there are future decisions which (if made correctly) can prove keeping RT to be the right course of action. I just think keeping RT has to come with a committed effort to running the ball and developing a down-field, play-action passing game which is about the only thing he’s actually very good at (see 2012 highlights). Of course, in order to make the team a contender we have to see the defense rebuilt. We’re presently looking at a squad that badly needs CBs, LBs and DEs. And at best the FS and RDT are serviceable players. There is a long list of CBs in free agency. There is a lot of defensive talent in the draft. To me, that's where our attention should be.
If you're going to make blanket statements then at least make them accurate- the names above represent about 1% of the total posters here. The other 99% have enough common sense to stay out of these silly arguments because we don't fit into either group- we see a good quarterback that has some issues holding him back from being great.
Key, then I'd argue that you fall into the first group. I feel the same. I'll freely admit, I get sucked into arguments arguing statements that reasonable people probably don't agree with...I just hate to see those statements go uncontested. I don't think Tannehill is great, or elite.
Tannehill wasn't very good at all for the majority of the game. The margin could and should have been more. You need to be more critical of RT if you're going to posit that he's making a handful of good plays. The problem is that he's still staring down receivers, holding the ball and failing to see guys who are open. You can get away with those sins for only so long, but one would have to believe a Play-off run would expose him. Tannehill didn't play well at all. Don't let the win deceive you. There was more bad than good.
Here's the thing though. RT is consistently good at certain things and consistently lackluster in other areas. How he plays depends on what he's asked to do that day. Why would you expect change? We know what he can do and where he struggles. What are the odds after 71 games of fairly consistent evidence that what I'm saying is wrong and that he's going to evolve? Gase can salvage him by protecting him. That's what I think. That's the best case scenario in my eyes.
Um, what? I wasn't talking about the whole board. I assumed it was understood that I was talking about the group of people having the same argument over and over considering the post I was responding to when I made that. But hey, whatever......
The idea that posters are trying to generalize others into "groups" is silly. It's friday, try to enjoy the rest of your day.
It's not a secret that Tannehill has had some amazing games- almost everyone here can admit that. It's not a secret that he's had some horrible ones as well where he should have been benched- most can admit that too. But then we have a select few posters who only see one thing or the other...all the good or all the bad...and it just ruins the entire site. We haven't been able to have a calm QB conversation on this site for years now because the same few will turn it into a pissing match, and that ultimately hurts everyone. For instance, if I wanted to say that Tannehill darn near blew that Buffalo victory with two dropped interceptions, I know exactly who would go on the attack calling me a hater. If I said his under-throw to Stills likely won the game despite Ajayi and the line playing awesome, I know exactly who will say I drank the Kool-Aid and became a blind follower. No matter what I say, there's a select few that take it like I called their mother a prostitute. The problem is that there's tens of thousands of members here, but the entire Tannehill conversation is controlled by about a dozen people set in their views. Every single one of those people are dead wrong- the supporters and the haters alike. Our QB has strengths and weaknesses just like every player to ever suit up for the game. I'm just so sick of a select few telling the majority that their opinions are not welcome here because they're too stubborn to face facts- Ryan Tannehill is an average QB with a lot of potential. That doesn't make him great or horrible though; that just makes him human.
You allowed to motorboat there? Damnit. Here in San Diego you can't. Can't even touch them. But we have Las Vegas for that ...
I can find highlights of almost every QB making a spectacular throw. No. Nobody is taking that away from him. But that the two games haven't changed our minds yet. He's in the middle 12-20 ranking of QBs. If that is good enough for you, that's fine. In rough but not exact order (too lazy to rank them), a list of QBs who can make the playoffs with a dominant run game, good oline, and good defense. Brady. Rodgers. Big Ben. Wilson. Brees. Romo. Matt Ryan. Andrew Luck. Stafford. Rivers. Newton. Manning. Carr Dalton Smith. Winston. Mariota. Fitzpatrick. Tyrod Taylor. Cousins. Palmer. Flacco. Bradford. Colin Kaepernick. Dak this year. Wentz maybe? So where do you place Tanny? Who is he definitively better than? Shoot Trevor Siemian isn't playing terrible right now either. Nowhere and never have I advocated cutting Tanny. Ever. That doesn't mean I'm satisfied with his play. It just means I know you get rid of him and you might end up with a Blake Bortles or Gabbert. So I advocate keeping him but always looking to upgrade, as well as looking for him to develop. If he develops, great. But what year do you say, okay this is the year we make the decision?
To me, Tannehill had a good first half save for a couple of bad decisions where he tucked the ball and ran when he could've have maybe stayed in the pocket a little longer and another throw that was almost picked off. Third quarter he didn't have many throws, but was under pressure a lot and was sacked a couple of times. He had that one underthrow to Stills, which was pretty bad. Fourth quarter he was money. 1st drive: Drop by Foster which would have converted a 3rd down into the red zone. 2nd drive: 3rd down conversion to Landry scrambling out of the pocket. 3rd drive: 3rd down conversion to Stills which turned into a TD. Overall he had about 2 bad throws (almost pick and underthrow) and a few plays where he tried to run and had no room. Other than that he had a good game, IMO, which reflects his passer rating (99.4). I'm sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree that there was more bad than good. I suggest you watch the game again and analyze each of his dropbacks, I think your opinion of how he played this game will change.
NFL 1000. 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He's 5-1 and making some crazy throws. I don't think anyone doubts his ability. Can he make it through a season is the only question.
He's completing 67% of his passes. 7-1 TD-INT. And a 100.3 rating. He hasn't been the best, but he's been really, really good.
This isn't to you Jdang, this is to everyone else. I think a lot of people are still operating under the assumption that the league is still without solid QBs. It seemed like 10 years ago only about 50% of teams had a guy they could count on. Fast forward to now and pretty much every team has had a chance to draft someone who's either proven to be solid or who they're working with right now to develop. How many teams in this draft are actually going to be looking at QBs? I'd say the 49ers, the Browns and the Jets are about the only teams who don't have someone. And heck, the 49ers may elect to stick with Kaepernick. We don't know. There are a couple shaky QBs that I think are below RT and who are at risk of losing their job: Bortles, Cutler, but that's about it. That might be part of why so many are sensitive to criticism being heaped on RT. And we do heap a lot of criticism on him. But I've made clear that while I think he's an average guy amongst those 25 other names, he's not markedly worse than a lot of them, especially if we consider Gase to be a positive influence. I'm just saying. There are probably people who assume he's 10th or 12th when the state of the league makes RT more like 20th or 22nd.
Tannehill misses a lot of the action because...well...he seems to stick on his first option really long and he usually doesn't like what he sees if/when he does start scanning the field. Personally I don't know what to make of him because when most QBs scan the field they find an open receiver and it leads to positive plays. With Tannehill, he's prone to missing guys who are coming open and to sometimes ignoring guys who actually are open. A lot of people have pointed this out over the last 3 years and it's become the biggest flaw in his game IMO. He just doesn't see the field the way some QBs do. He's hesitant to throw and uses arm strength to compensate for a lack of anticipation. If you want to continue to act like what I'm saying is not true, be my guest, but ultimately it's this kind of thing that stops Tannehill from realizing his potential. It's better to be honest and admit he's got a pretty sizable flaw than to hope and wish that tomorrow we're going to wake up and he's going to be a different guy who's capable of shredding defenses. Everyone has limitations. I understand that. You can win with Tannehill. I'm just not sure how much you can win with a QB like him because on the whole he's not providing enough actually passing ability to really be a difference maker. At best he has some bad and some good. A lot of folks seemed to be coming around to accepting that earlier in the year. The fact that the Dolphins have won a couple games on the back of other factors proves that regular-season winning is possible. I hope people aren't switching sides over what they're seeing though. I would hope that people aren't changing their minds and ignoring 70 games of data that show the QB for what he is. After all, wins and losses aren't on the QB, right?
Do I think he can upgrade his post-snap processing time a bit? Sure. Do I think it's his biggest weakness or even one weakness that is keeping him out of being top 10? Not really. I think he tends to freeze under pressure sometimes and take a quarter of a second longer to make a decision, but IMO it's not as bad as the other flaws I highlighted before, and it sort of falls under "consistency" from game to game for me. He sometimes has those games where he is a little slow to react, and sometimes he doesn't. By the way, you changed subjects a bit. We were talking about how he played in the Buffalo game, you went back to talking about his career. You said he had a bad game, I disagreed. Where do you see that he played considerably bad in the Buffalo game?
Perfect Norv Turner QB. And that is some average weapons if Ive ever seen some. But yea, I doubt he sustains this type of play.
Firstly, I'm not going to argue against him like he played an awful game. He was asked to manage the game and the team won going away which is a positive sign that he did his job. There were elements of his play that were really good. For example, he was quite mobile and slid in the pocket as well as I've seen him do several times. He was forced to eat the ball and take a sack in a couple spots in which he did just that, which is a credit to his maturity. But this kind of game forces a fan to ask how important RT actually is. If not for the bomb to stills, he'd have had 150 yards on the day thanks to a large number of short completions and check downs which once again became his M.O. because when deep shots were called, he opted off those throws. I would also go to the same plays you're seeing discussed elsewhere to offer the same typical criticism you see thrown out every week. Those are in Club. They're mentioned on Samphin's podcast on Perfectville. We've seen them mentioned on social media. RT missed a couple open guys, was late on a couple throws and looked bad in a couple spots. There's some good and some bad and when you total 150-200 yards on the day that equates to being pretty unspectacular, wouldn't you say? I can't say it better than others have and we end up having the same discussions every week. For me, I look back to who he's been his whole career and worry that he's not always going to evade pressure like he did last week and that those few big plays that make us feel all warm inside aren't going to be there to save him from what could otherwise be unspectacular outings. If you're happy with what you saw, I don't necessarily blame you because on the whole the game was just so positive it's hard to critically discuss the QB. I don't want to put a negative spin on a happy moment. It's just that seriously...it's a pretty average game for most QBs. I don't like having to act like these games are monumental. They shouldn't be consider that at all. A 99 rating is great but that's largely because the game was relatively clean and because the big TD to Stills at the end. Without that 65-yd TD the rating is far different and it would've reflected a QB that wasn't really the story. At this point I feel like I'm being cynical but seriously...this was an average game. Nothing to get excited about.
An interesting Bill Barnwell piece... he mentions Tannehill, hence the relevance... http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...-nfl-quarterback-play-myth-bill-barnwell-2016 More at the link...
Disagree with that. He's taking Tannehill's stats, and then just importing them into the prior era. More accurately he said in another era, Tannehill's stats would qualify him as a superstar. Does Tanny have the same completion percentage and INT rate in 1985? I very much doubt it.
You better believe it!!! All he has some arm talent! I don't care that he has looked solid lately behind his actually starting line - #CantFoolMe Who cares that he hasn't thrown an INT in an eon. He is just "arm talent"
