Since we're talking about Mike Wallace, I thought this quote might belong here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article109214067.html
What does Gase know, he's just a HC and offensive and QB guru. If he knew half as much as some of the people on this board then he'd be someone....that I would also have to ignore on this board.
Better being the key word. And he IS better...he just struggled with it in the past is all. Pretty simple math that I assume all but a couple people around here can figure out.
Who said "better?" Gase said Tannehill was more "accurate" than he had been told. Gase didn't say Tannehill has improved his accuracy, but that it's better than he thought from talking to people before taking the job.
I'm saying better. Because it is one of the areas he has actually improved on. Nobody can say with a straight face Ryan had a "good" deep ball early in his career...I think you can say at this point its fair ti call it good.
I think Lazor helped somewhat. But still, he's hitting guys that are wide open by a country mile in many of those cases and by the time the ball gets there the defender is closing as well. So he's still throwing guys "closed" as opposed to open. He still hesitates because of a need to make sure the guy is indeed open. Here's an example of throwing a guy open when Flacco hit Wallace week one placing the ball where Wallace can keep separating: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/775029687315632128
Tannehill wasn't very good at sight throws in the past. By sight throws, I mean abandoning your progressions and ad-libbing. He's been much better at that this year.
Wallace had 3 TDs in the 1st 2 weeks of the season and hasn't sniffed the endzone since. Not sure what your point is. I think this long pass to Gray was more impressive than the link you posted. http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...eception/6b4c0997-4be5-44db-85d0-afb6b173570a Talk about getting your receiver out of harms way. http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dol...s-in-leaping-back-shoulder-grab-on-third-down
You're right. As has been explained numerous times on this site, by numerous people...Thill has been in a timing based offense for his pro career. Wallace started his career in non timing based offense. Once Pitt moved to a timing based offense (Wallace's last year there) his numbers resembled what they were in Miami. Wallace is not good at timing based offenses because they require precise route running as QBs throw to spots not the actual receivers. That is why the deep ball numbers were so bad (along with our oline not giving the play long enough to develop). Wallace would be the ultimate Marino receiver though. People who ignore this or argue this, literally don't the first thing about the game.
Wallace is the only reason Tanny had a passer rating above 90 once. Tanny changed his deep pass before 2015. Why would he do that if it wasn't deficient? It was. It is better now. A lot.
While I disagree with you about Tannehill being a poor deep ball passer early in his career (he always seemed to throw much better to anyone not named Wallace deep), Wallace was a tremendous receiver for us in 2014. Sure he had the occasional drop but he was full of highlight plays for us in 2014. He was never perfect or even elite, but he was very good. He has elite speed and he fights for yards after the catch (something he never gets much credit for), he didn't run the best routes and had the occasional lapse in concentration (remember that one horrible drop in the Jets game in primetime where he tried to one hand a sure TD?). Even though he is seen as a one trick pony deep threat he actually is very solid in the red zone as well. Starting at 7:00 are his Dolphins highlights [video=youtube;HbfENf9yX18]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbfENf9yX18[/video]
Yes, Wallace got better. I admitted it back then too. But we're talking about the deep ball. On shorter or average routes the margin for error is larger then the deep stuff, which is why his numbers improved the second year. The problem is, we were fitting a round peg into a square hole at that point and Wallace wasn't happy. And he shouldn't have been, as his coaches were using him incorrectly. Wallace's time here wasn't doomed by Thill, it was doomed by Philbin. As was the main problem with Philbin, he tried to bend players to his system instead of bending his system to his players' strengths. Had we had Gase then, I truly believe we'd have seen different results. We would have moved to a more non timing based offense to maximize Wallace's strengths.
While I do think Tannehill's deep ball has improved over the years, he was nowhere near as bad as most people were saying during the Wallace years. To me, Tannehill has always had an average deep ball but just didn't have much chemistry with Wallace, which made it seem he was bad at it. Now, IMO, Tannehill looks to be above average. In a way, the false claims of him having a bad deep ball probably even helped him, looks like he took the effort to get even better at it.
he certainly isn't missing the WIDE open guys like he used to. Only recall 1 pass where the receiver was really defended well on a deep ball.
Was very frustrating to watch on top of some other issues. The deep ball struggles were something he could work on and improve....things like anticipation and pocket presence is something that needs to just click one day with situational experience. He's a hard worker, if all QB traits could be remedied by effort I have no doubt he would be a top 10 QB today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If you're 4th in the league for a particular stat, it means you're "better" than 28 other starting quarterbacks. I'm not sure how that's not evident- Gase doesn't need to specifically say it for it to be a fact.
I was referring to his post, where he said "the key word is better," which makes it seem as though Gase said he got better. Gase didn't say that. He said Tannehill was more accurate than he was told he was.
And who told him that? People from this forum? Or the professionals in the building who worked with Tannehill and saw it with their own eyes and discussed it with each other I assume? They're the ones that told him. Unless Gase is a lurker here. So they're either ALL wrong, or Tanny got better.
He wasn't bad, he was mismatched with the style of Wallace, which is really fast going away. Even then, as you said, his deep throws were not great either. Before 2015 he worked on his trajectory to improve it. So those saying he was always this good and nothing changed but the perception are wrong. It did change. Everyone noted the improved arc which makes for a more catchable pass. You get a guy like Devante who is going to run to a spot and then fight the DB for the ball vs dropping it on a dime (note Stills who was the best in the league since at least 2007 in deep catches totally sucks now) to a speeding horse running away. Those things help.
So the only people talking about Tannehill to Gase were people in the Dolphins organization? I really doubt Dolphins organization members were telling Gase prior to his hiring that Tannehill was inaccurate, etc. More than likely, Gase is talking about people outside the organization. Either way, Gase is also saying, those people were wrong about Tannehill.
He said when he got here. He didn't say before he got here. When he got here. Who the hell else is he talking about? If he watched the film on Tannehill, you know, the film that revealed to him he could fix Tannehill, before he got the job, he didn't form an opinion himself? He had to rely on others because even though he watched film on Tannehill he didn't watch any deep passes? Or 'everyone' are the voices in his head maybe? Maybe.
It was me. I got a Tapatalk friend request from a Gaseofspades who then asked me to brief him on all things Ryan. I said whatever you do....don't let the practice squad guy's intercept his passes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Or the fans. Or the local beat reporters. Or maybe it was one person, and Gase said everyone to be diplomatic. But no, it was surely a vast conspiracy of Dolphin FO and coaches that all hate Thill and think he sucks, even though they're the ones that extended him and called mostly pass plays and everything.
So he's listening to the fans and media over the people in the building? This is how ridiculous this is now?
You're making a stupid jump. He didn't say he was taking fans and media or anyone's advice., It said he was "told". Are you now going to argue that a person is only "told" things by co-workers? I mean what the **** are actually arguing here?
Perhaps Gase is referring to people in his circle of friends or football minds, who were talking badly to him about tannehill because he took the Miami job.
The media loved to harp on RT's deep ball problems. It's too bad they were wrong. RT has never been, sans one of the years he played with Wallace, a bad deep ball passer. http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/24/the-mike-wallace-effect-deep-ball-accuracy-and-ryan-tannehill/
More than a media perception, obviously when Gase got here some people had expressed past concerns of his deep ball woes and they were valid in regards to Wallace. Ryan actually did a good job at working on this hence all the pre season talk/love of his IMPROVED deep ball ability. Hence improved...
The only guy he's had problems throwing deep to was Wallace. Yet the argument was he throws a bad deep ball? A couple bad throws get blown way out of proportion.
It never was actually an issue. Amazing how things that really weren't an issue before, still aren't an issue now.
You're right and everyone else is wrong. He has ALWAYS thrown good passes to Wallace, in fact I've never seen him throw a bad pass in his career. Usually someone else's fault. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk