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  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Just like the "stats" that show the defense is better than the offense is laughable, because anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see with their own eyes that hasn't been the case. 430 yards to the the Browns third string quarterback and dead last in the league in rush defense.

    See? I can play this game too. It's not hard. Even if you think your knowledge is far superior to that of your fellow posters.
     
  2. Rocky Raccoon

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    I'm a big fan of passer rating as a measuring tool. Over the course of a season it tells a much truer story IMO. Everything evens out.

    And that's exactly my point. Everything is small sample size at this juncture. Lets' see how the rest of the season goes, especially as the offense gels in the new system. We're already +4 PPG over last season, and we haven't even gotten going yet.
     
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  3. Fin-O

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    Yea, I agree with you. Whats your point? Our offense has been better than the defense...doesn't mean they both haven't been disappointing thus far.
     
  4. Rocky Raccoon

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    Well, I don't think Ryan has been disappointing, honestly. Has he been stellar? No. Does he need to improve? Absolutely. But 24 and 30 points in back to back games this early in the new system is encouraging, especially with a lack of a running game.

    The big problem I fear is that our defense isn't going to be able to stop anyone. If the Browns can do what they did on us, what are good offenses going to do? It's actually scary to think about.

    Yet, here we are again, arguing about the quarterback. We won the game, and what is the new topic posted? "Time to find a new quarterback!" No chatter about our dead last rushing defense. No chatter about our terrible linebacker play. No chatter about a dismal running game. Only the quarterback. And really if you think about it, even with Ryan needing to improve, the passing offense is really the only unit that's doing anything. Rushing offense? Nah. Pass defense? Nope. Rush defense? LOL.

    So my point is...why are we always talking about the same guy when there are actual, major problems with this team?


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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    why would anyone take wilson over tannehill or any other running qb once they turn 27. their quick twitch muscles start to diminish andd they get less and less elusive every year. if you think wilson is going to be the espn highlight machine at 30 that he was when he was 25 you know far less about football then you believe. ive been saying for four years that once wilson hits 27 he will start to regress in his effectiveness. he will take more sacks and throw more interceptions. by the time he is 32 he will be a backup qb
     
  6. dullfandan

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    Sadly I agree with the op.. I think this team needs a total rebuild around gase and Joseph.. Let them pick their players with a gm and create an identity..

    i I don't think it's rt17's fault.. I think his decision making skills are poor.. Good talent Arron Rodgers esk but no where near the awareness..

    defense is soft, no leaders, no motor..

    i cant say anything about the o line, I put that on rt17... He never accounts for the db blitz..

    i honestly say say we suck for Watson.. Who knows, he is good size and he will win us games with his athletic ability...

    that being said I don't condone tanking and I'm rooting for a playoff appearance
     
  7. daphins

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    This. He's not bad enough to throw in the dumpster, but realistically he'll never be elite. Joe Flacco, which I good enough to win in this league but not world-beating. Gives us time to find our franchise player.


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  8. jdang307

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    Ouch. Really ouch.
     
  9. Rex Deus

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    Great post.

    RT's performances matches his ability: that of a below-average starting QB in the NFL. No surprise that we're a 6-10 to 8-8 team every year right now.

    Always wanted to give RT a fair chance, but it's year 5 and he's not making any real progress. The 'It' factor is definitely missing. He's not terrible, but he's never going to be a Top 10 QB.
     
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  10. pumpdogs

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    3. Here’s all you need to know about how much Cleveland feared Ryan Tannehill: Jackson, as mentioned, deferred the overtime kickoff. He gave Tannehill the ball first in overtime, where one possession can win the game. Let’s be clear: That’s a sure slap in the face against the Dolphins offense in general and Tannehill, specifically. No one does that against a top quarterback. Jackson proved right. The Dolphins had to punt before winning the game on the second series. But is anyone feeling better about Tannehill for it? He completed 25 of 39 passes for 319 yards and three touchdowns. If it ended there, it would be what you’d hope for against a bad defense. But … there were two interceptions. One was a pick-6 for Cleveland. There was a fumble (a blindside hit) that should’ve lost the game. There was the inability to close out a win with an 11-point lead. The Browns had little pass rush for much of the game (that changed in the end). They were without their top cornerback, Joe Haden, and so started former Dolphin cornerback Jamar Taylor and played undrafted rookie Tracy Howard, the former Hurricane. We can come up with all sorts of excuses about pass protection and weakening defense. There’s room for those discussions, too. But the bottom line is a quarterback is asked sometimes to put away games. Tannehill didn’t inspire confidence doing so. This is the year Tannehill gives a final statement on questions about him. Anyone feeling better about that right now?


    And yes I posted this twice.The offence was 2-10 on the 3rd down and thats been the story with the offence since tannehill has been the qb.The only reason we won is bad teams find a way to lose and the browns might be the worst team in the league.
    The rest of the nfl does not have the same respect for ryan tannehill as you people do and that is a fact.The only thing I will give him is he is a very tough ****er but I never see him winninig a superbowl regardless so I for one am ready to move on next year and take a shot at qb in draft.
     
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  11. Redwine4all

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    Ok. Then lets get someone else whose muscle twitches don't diminish, can generate better highlights, who sacks and INTs are better.

    Tannehill cannot take sacks and lose the ball deep in his own territory in the 4th quarter. That cannot happen...EVER. And he does it. Again. Besides the drive before where he was putrid. If he doesn't play better (and soon), he's going to be dumped. After Thur, we are a quarter way through this season. After three games, IMO, DLINE, LBs, QB all get failing grades.
     
  12. Silverphin

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    If Ryan Tannehill didn't score three touchdowns, the missed kicks wouldn't matter. If Ryan Tannehill didn't make the plays needed to set up that final run, then the missed kicks wouldn't matter.

    It's simple as that.
     
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  13. Silverphin

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    And also, one could make a huge argument that the deferment was due to Cleveland not fearing our defense, considering that they were getting handle by a third and fourth string quarterback.
     
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  14. DolphinGreg

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    You've made this point several times but it's flawed. Tannehill's accomplishments can only be judged (even if hypothetically) by how they measure against what another QB could do in the same situation.

    So you're argument about what RT did is implying that he did as well as anyone in his position could do. Most don't buy that because of RT's background, because of the turnovers and because he looked slow yesterday in processing what he was seeing.

    He played a bad game. I don't think there's any doubt. But its just one game. A lot of games were screwy yesterday. This week in the NFL was one of the nuttiest I can remember. Good teams lost including CAR, PIT and CIN. There were a bunch of blowouts we didn't see coming including NE, BUF and KC. And several teams we thought were good played badly including Miami, NYJ, and Hou.

    But here's the deal, when a guy doesn't look good, you gotta own it. That's the only way that allows for a fair decision when sufficient data is in which will be at the end of the year.

    Don't be the guy who spent all year defending RT just to make a point.
     
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  15. Fin D

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    No one is saying Thill played great, so stop the sanctimonious bull****.

    This thread implies todays game is reason to get rid of Thill.

    And not a one of you Tannehaters will acknowledge your hypocrisy about "clutch".
     
  16. Silverphin

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    Yes, I have made this point several times because people keep talking about the missed field goals.

    And the funny thing is, I never once said that Tannehill had a good game. The most I ever said was that he had a solid second half.
     
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  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    live by the sword die by the sword live by the sword...tannehill doesnt hear footsteps. when his back is turned he has no sense of pass rush to whats behind him. some qbs do, not tannehill. this causes those blind side hits once in a while but at the same time it causes throws like the one to landry that set up the winning TD by Ajayi because he has that extra second in the pocket. If he's scrambling every time he feels pressure he doesnt take that sack but he also doesnt throw the pass to landry that effectively wins the game
     
  18. dolphin25

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    Gosh I wish we had a guy on the team that threw to completions..... or perhaps on the practice squad.
     
  19. dolphin25

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    What does the NFL know ;)
     
  20. dolphin25

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    The defense gave up 17 points. They stopped the Browns several times in the 4th quarter and in OT. The offense had 3-4 chances to get a first down and ice the game, but they did not.
     
  21. dWreck

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    I should have phrased my post better as I was talking about overall stats from nfl, I used the same link you did. I said in terms of yards AND points. I also said our offense is "middle of the pack in yards" and "lower mid-tier in points." that was correct.

    Our offense

    20th in points (lower mid tier as i said)
    18th in yards (mid tier as i said)
    10th in pass yards (upper mid tier)
    25th in rush yards (low tier)


    Our defense
    16th in points (mid tier)
    29th in yards (bottom tier)
    18th in pass yards (mid tier)
    32nd in rush yards (last place)


    It's still not really close all things considered. If you want a comparitive average the offense is 18 and the defense is 24, but you have to weigh in the circumstances if you want to really evaluate. Our defense is only 16th in points because of SEA sh**ing the bed and the other 2 games were against 3rd and 4th string QBs. that much is obvious. If NE and CLE have their starters then our defense more than likely isnt even in the same dimension as 'rank 16 points allowed'. Hell, If just garappolo doesnt go down alone, the only 2 'good' rankings by defense, points and passing, both probably tank a considerable amount because that guy was on course to absolute DEMOLISH this team through the air.

    The offense is playing bad, but the defense is playing WORSE under circumstances where they should be playing BETTER. That's the issue. If our defense put up these stats against Seattle, then vs Brady in NE and then vs Starters from CLE then it shows SEA wasn't a fluke game all around and they are definitely playing better than the offense. But they aren't. Fin-O and others don't want to weigh the fact that 2 out of 3 of our games were against 3rd/4th string QBs but that's pretty foolish because unanimous consensus was that that was going to be our only chance this century to win a game in Foxboro and the CLe game should have been a gimme.

    Sure you can argue about defensive deficiencies of the other teams as well, but we can't pretend those weigh more than having 3rd string or worse QBs startin 2 weeks in a row for the offense.

    I said Tannehill had 90qbr and has been in the upper tier of QBs each week, (I.E. as he was #6 on this week), i've mentioned this in several posts i've made and that's what i was referring to. I did not say he was upper tier for QBs on QBR for the season, but again, it was worded badly so I apologize.
     
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  22. vt_dolfan

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    Mark my words... Etch them in stone. If we take a QB in round one next season... And he doesn't start out 3 and 0 with numbers like Carson Wentz... Someone is going to start a thread that we drafted the wrong QB. He sucks. Carson Wentz went 3 and 0..why didn't this guy. He sucks.
     
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  23. Bumrush

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    Who cares? What does this have to do with anything being discussed? Tannehill has had 4+ years and people have every right to question him and his long term viability. This isn't ****ing communist Russia where the Tannehill thought police have to have counterpoints to future scenarios that will be ridiculed by most reasonable people here.
     
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  24. Fin-O

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    What? If they were confident in the offense vs our defense they would've 100% taken the ball figuring they would score a TD and leave.


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  25. gunn34

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    Cleveland kicker lost this game for them. We didn't win it. I hope this win doesn't take us out of the hunt for a good QB next draft.
     
  26. adamprez2003

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    well thats because they were alive when dan marino played and if the rest of us are satisfied not having a dan marino 2 then we are all losers
     
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  27. Silverphin

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    Or, they were giving the offense a rest.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    No. Not how that works.

    His logic was that

    A.) He didn't fear our offense.

    B.) He feared his own offense.
     
  29. Silverphin

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    So they didn't fear someone who put up 3 TDs on them despite a subpar game?

    Yeah, okay. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
     
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  30. LI phinfan

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    The same NFL that did not draft the "completions" guy until round 7? The same NFL that cut the completions guy? The same NFL that no one claimed him after getting cut, not a single one? I like Doughty, but this broken record is lame and silly. But I am sure will continue with you ad nauseum. :tongue2:
     
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  31. Fin-O

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    I mean they gave them the ball what do you think


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  32. seekerone

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    Keep RT, keep Gase, keep building. Protect his damn blind backside. We know that's his achilles heal. He needs strong pass protection on both sides. Ryan's pick six was tipped (still his fault not reading defense). His other 2 turnover fumbles are 50/50 on him and the OL. Other than that, Ryan's play was strong. Other areas of blame include lack of running. Swapping out the 4 backups was not working. We killed one drive by trying to force Pead up the the middle. And another with that predictable pattern run/stuff, run/stuff, 3rd down pass rush.

    The Browns D was playing like their lives depended on it (which they were). I'm thinking they were probly playing tougher than the past couple weeks. Add to that there may be some chance the Dolphins were looking even slightly at the coming short week and Thursday night road game at Cincinnati. Maybe they looked past the Browns a little thinking they should be able to survive them at home? The sky ain't falling yet. If they play competitive game against Cincinnati this week, then I think they're on track to keep building, keep chugging. If they squeek out a win there, we are in it. If they dominate, we are gelling and who knows. Time to move on and kick *** Thursday night prime time.
     
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    The defense is clearly a bigger problem than the offense, but yeah, as much as it pains me, Tannehill looked like crap yesterday.
     
  34. Boik14

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    New England never takes the ball to start the game. Literally, never.
     
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  35. dWreck

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    #facts
     
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  36. pumpdogs

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    Wow this is crazy.Did u miss the part where the writer says no one gives the ball to a top QB in overtime where one possession wins the game.How can anybody argue against this.The nfl in general does not look at tannehill as a top qb.He is the definition of average.2-10 0n third down is terrible especially against that sorry *** team.
     
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  37. Fin-O

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    This is overtime. It's maybe happened 3 times ever.

    You are talking about something totally different.

    If you disagree with the article then so be it...but 2+2 sometimes equals 4.


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  38. dWreck

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    100% agree about defense. Its plain as day. However when the line held tannehill did okay. Near all of his mistakes, although still his fault, were due to pressure. Entire game considered he definitely didnt look like crap imo. Not A+ but not crap. Look at half the NFL QBs this week. That's crap. :lol:
     
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  39. Boik14

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    The odds are against you that you can go down the length of the field and score a TD to start OT. If a FG still won as it used to under the old rules, I think your argument would hold a little more weight. You, as a betting guy, should know that. Don't let your dislike of of Tannehill get in the way bud. :p
     
  40. cbrad

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    Looks like the stat is NE's only done that three times in the last 8 years (since the rule change). Includes the AFC championship game last year:
    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/bil...broncos-new-england-patriots-afc-championship

    Belichick started that trend in 2008 and it looks like most coaches have copied that tactic since (76% in 1st half of 2015):
    http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-...winning-coin-toss-is-more-than-a-50-50-choice
     
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