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  1. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Aside from a few fans who advocate tanking as a strategy for rebuilding, nobody is going to argue that the Fins should pull RT, even if they want to see the team draft a QB in the 1st round next year. RT is the best QB on the roster as far as the 2016 season is concerned. It's probably safe to say he'd play better than a rookie in 2017 as well but the conversation is centered around long-term performance.

    The debate is whether the Dolphins should continue to invest in trying to build around RT or cut their losses and start a total rebuild. Right now, we know we have to see a rebuild on defense. We may​ have to accept that in terms of the QB position as well. We don't know but today made it clear that the question is indeed a real one.
     
  2. Serpico Jones

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    What they're going to do is ride Tannehill for the rest of this season and then trade him next year and let Gase get his own guy. I don't see this franchise moving forward with a quarterback as inconsistent as Tannehill.
     
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  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I made a post a couple weeks ago that surveyed the NFL in which I concluded that only the 49ers and Browns would be interested in trading for Tannehill.

    Today made it clear that I don't think the Browns need Tannehill. To be honest, I would not trade for Tannehill if I was running the Browns. I'd draft one of the promising young players coming out with one of the two first round picks that I have in my possession.

    The 49ers I think might be gullible enough to do it. At least Chip Kelly might be.
     
  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    A Trevor Semien has been plenty good enough.
     
  6. Not So Fast

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    Tannehill isn't tradeable with his contract. He would have to be cut outright.
     
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  7. Fin-O

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    We screwed him over too. If he had been drafted by a stable organization and developed by competant coaches he could've been really good. Instead he came to a cluster-fk of an organization with not a clue of how to do much of anything right.

    This organization as a whole makes me want to vomit honestly.
     
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  8. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Pryor didnt turn the ball over 3 times and almost single handidly lose the game for mia. Our QB did. He all but handed Cle 13 points. 7 on a pick. He threw a td to each team in the 1st half and threw a pick on the first pass of the game because he made his decision where the throw was going before he ever broke the huddle. And then ofcourse literally fumbled the game away with 20 secs left lol. He was 2 missed fgs away from scoring 13 pts. He did more for Cle passing offense than their 3rd stringer who didnt look anymore overmatched than Thill jn his 5th yr. This gift of a win is the difference between 3-13 and 4-12. Yippee! 7 turnovers the last 2 weeks. Our offense is more likely to turn it over than they are to score a td.
     
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  9. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Thill wasnt good @ A&M. It didnt matter where he went. He is what he is.
     
  10. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    He can restructure the contract.
     
  11. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Its been clear for 2 yrs. Today shouldnt change anybodys opinion. This is year 5. He isnt all of a sudden going to go from the 20th best QB to a top 10 guy. Not gonna happen. 15th best guy in a career year. Better build a powerhouse D and run game around him if you even want to win 10 games.
     
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  12. Fin-O

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    Nonsense.

    Look at NE and Denver. He would be a a Pro Bowler if he had been drafted by those teams.

    Qb's get ruined all the time...what if Tim Couch had went to Philly with Andy Reid and McNaab to Cleveland? You would've had 2 totally different careers.

    Rarely can a QB overcome his environment, you have to be one of the special ones to pull that off. Ryan is inconsistent as hell....he will wow you then will leave you scratching your head. The talent is there....just was developed poorly and likely will cost him a second big contract.
     
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  13. Silverphin

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    You can't be serious.
     
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  14. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I stand corrected, just watched the replay. I had to work today, so I could only really keep up with the score. I just know that we won on a TD in overtime. I'll take the W any way I can get it. I just think people should be happy with a W. Yeah....Tannehill played terrible, but our defense gave up a ton of big plays to a crappy offense led by a third string QB. We should have lost this game for sure.
     
  15. jdang307

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    This is exactly the reason he isn't great, and won't become great.
     
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  16. dWreck

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    Cam Newton ... 21 / 35 for 262 yds 0-3 and 47 QBR.

    Carson Palmer.... 26/50 for 287 yds 0-4 and 36 QBR.

    Roethlisberger. 24/55 257 yds 0-1 62.4 QBR.

    Flacco .... 29/40 214 yds 0-2 64 QBR.

    Dalton ... 21/31 206 yds 0-2 72 QBR

    Fitzpatrick 20/44 188 yds 0-6 and 18 QBR.



    I think we should officially move on from this Defense and posting online after binge drinking, IMO
     
  17. Shane Falco

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    I know who this is. Anybody wanna guess who is back?
     
  18. jdang307

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    People overlook this. Tannehill has never been dominant ,now after what, almost a decade? It's hard enough to project a great college QB to be good in the NFL. What happens when you project a decent college QB to be great in the NFL? The odds are that much harder.

    That said, a win is a win. I'm not ultimately judging him until the end of the year. Let's see how he rolls.
     
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  19. Limbo

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    This has been my thinking as well. But honestly I saw some things in the first few weeks that have me optimistic Tannehill can make a legit step forward, after having been largely the same player for the last 6 years. Give Gase some time, keep Parker healthy, and I think Tanny can turn the corner by the time the season ends.
     
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  20. muskrat21

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    http://slicemiami.com/2016/08/23/madden-17-ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins/

     
  21. cbrad

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    For me, this stat is real interesting. I never really bought into the Cam Newton hype as one of the absolute elite QB's. I totally agree he was last year, but it didn't look like it to me the first 4 years (he was good, but elite??)

    It'll be very interesting to see how Newton performs over his career because I'm still not convinced he belongs with the very best. We'll see..
     
  22. Colmax

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    Man, he's close. The guy has obviously worked really hard on his passing. It definitely shows. Some folks have bad games, and this one might be it. I think his only issue are the hits he takes, much like a Roesthlisberger. I mean, didn't they have 8 sacks today against Carolina? Whew, that's a lot of being hit.
     
  23. BigNastyDB13

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    Im 100% serious. Unlike you, I actually watched him play a lot in college. I live in the old Big 12 country. Thill was erratic in college. He was a decent scrambler but couldnt pass well for "top" college prospect. Since you didnt actually watch him play you may want to take the time to at least look his numbers from college up. Im guessing they arent that impressive.
     
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  24. adamprez2003

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    is that adam13 or something or one of the others that was banned last year?
     
  25. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    None of those guys played the sorry *** Browns.
     
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  26. Shane Falco

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    Nevermind, he's already banned again lol
     
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  27. resnor

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    They must have all played against elite defenses.
     
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  28. dWreck

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    That's adorable.

    Cam Newton
    Carson Palmer
    Roethlisberger
    Flacco
    Dalton
    Fitzpatrick
    Rivers
    Mariota
    Osweiler
    Gabbert
    Taylor

    Every one of these QBs I presume you think is better than Tannehill, and they are 0:22 between them TD:INT this week..... And that's the best you got?
    You're going to sit there and pretend Clevelands defense was more depleted than their offense? Lmao. Did you even know who their QBs were going into this game?

    "Tannehill doesn't score enough" but when he scores more than 1/3rd of the QBS in the nfl COMBINED, he is still a bum.
     
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  29. Fin-O

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    This may be one of the most laughable attempts of making a "point" I have ever seen on this board. You are taking proven QB's and trying to highlight one bad week in some cases? Yikes.
     
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  30. dWreck

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    This might be one of the most laughable (and not surprising) attempts at being a "smart ***" ive ever seen on this board. What's that? getting torched in a thread? Let me go to a different thread and insult him.

    Let me simplify it for you Einstein.

    People have said here on this very board Tannehill sucks because he doesnt score. People said other QBs score and he doesnt. Constantly spouting off names of QBs Who are "immensely better" than him. When he does happen to score, or outplay them, The narrative just changes and it's an endless spin. I understand it's 1 game and 1 week It was a tongue in cheek example because people like you are trying to act like the offensive and defensive deficiencies of the browns were equal. Way to look too far into it just to be the prick you got banned for being. I know you're upset about being wrong since our defense is so much worse than our offense, but maybe you should relax. Take your own advice.

     
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  31. Fin-O

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    "prick" hehehe. been awhile since I've been called that. I was banned? Damn...sucks to be me.

    Either way back to the bad post of yours...it sucked.
     
  32. dWreck

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    Defense is worse than the Offense. Fact.

    Defense has been given gift-wrapped circumstances, such as two straight weeks of 3rd/4th string QBs and still got torched, Fact.

    Our offense is middle-of-the-pack in the NFL, in terms of yards and lower middle tier of Points, which is still light years ahead of the defense, Fact.

    Tannehill has a 90QBR, 6th best QB of this week and in the upper tier of the season thus far, Fact.

    Offense put points on the board and kept us in every game, Fact.

    Offense > Defense and it's not 50/50 or close. Fact.

    Ouch.
     
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  33. Rocky Raccoon

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    Flacco did last week...and had a 72 rating.

    Ryan Tannehill had a better rating in Seattle and New England than Flacco did against the sorry *** Browns.
     
  34. Fin-O

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    I truly feel sorry for the lack of football knowledge floating around these threads. If I were to bring up Carson Wentz's rating compared to Ryan's half you clowns would cry yourselves asleep.

    Picking and choosing stats and numbers when it serves your purpose. And me making fun of you guy's will have me labeled a "Tanny hater" when in reality I just understand the game of football at a much higher level and have the ability to be honest with myself on every player. Not cherry picking stupid stats just because Im a Dolphins fan.
     
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    Going from this link:
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

    It looks like we are currently ranked 20th in points per game on offense at 21.3, and ranked 14th in points allowed per game on defense at 22.3. So for points per game, defense is better so far, just looking at stats.

    Also, it looks like Tannehill's 88.8 rating so far is 18th in the league, so not upper tier. At least this is what the NFL is saying.
     
  36. Fin-O

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    :lol: #facts
     
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  37. Rocky Raccoon

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    EJ Manuel, Brian Hoyer and Trevone Boykin should be removed as they're not starters. So, Tannehill is really 15th. Not bad! Considering the first two games were at Seattle and New England.

    Also, better than:

    Wilson
    Roethlisberger
    Winston
    Palmer
    Newton
    Flacco

    #facts
     
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  38. Fin-O

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    See how this should be a good lesson for the uninformed of how "stats" are far from a correct measuring stick. Not a man alive with an ounce of football knowledge would ever take Ryan over Wilson, Big Ben or Cam (Not likely Winston either) yet these "stats" show he is having a better year which is laughable.

    A good lesson will fall upon deaf ears and aqua n orange eyes in this case.
     
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  39. Pauly

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    I'm not sure what everybody else expected but I was expecting a Jeckyl and Hyde season, especially in the first 8 games. So far our O has been more Hyde and our D has been more Jeckyl.

    At this point I am far more worried about the RB situation and the LB situation than the QB. All those guys who said we were right not to overpay Lamar Miller or CJ Anderson must be feeling really good right now, maybe they're covering their tracks by blaming Tannehill. It still befuddles me how an organization can have an immediate and obvious need at LB for 3 seasons in a row and not invest in a decent FA or high draft pick.
     
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  40. cbrad

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    It's because it's such a small sample size. I think passer rating is actually a pretty good measure, but sample size issues never go away. Look at rankings for passer rating after any year, say 2015, and you'll find for the most part the QB's you think are the best are at the top (Wilson, Big Ben and Cam are above Tannehill in 2015).

    Should be the same at the end of this season too, though of course there will be exceptions.
     
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