Offense vs defense.

To me, the problem is that both the offense and the defense kind of suck right now and yet we can't keep the conversations straight.

Do you want to talk about how the defense sucks or do you want to talk about how the offense sucks?

Let's just pick one in each thread and stick to it.


We lost to Seattle and NE because they scored more points than us. We beat the Browns because we outscored them. I don't see the offense or defense as being totally responsible for any of that. It's always a combine effort.

Right now, I'd say the offense is disappointing us early in game and the defense is disappointing us late in game.

 

Neither are very good.

To me the offense has flashed potential to be really good. But it'll take some time. And I fear the hole at RB could keep the unit from reaching its ceiling.

The defense doesn't have as high a ceiling. CB is a HUGE problem that I don't think the defense can overcome. The pass rush should be able to take advantage of certain matchups, but our inability to cover (CB and LBs struggling too) will be exposed every week in today's game.

 

From a stats perspective, I'd go with net points. The defense gave up only 17 points and the offense scored 24 (they didn't kick that last extra point so just subtract 6 from 30).

Anyway, run defense is CRAP. All that talk about how this wide-9 defense would still be fine for the run.. yeah, our LB's are just not good enough. But overall, I'd only fault the defense for game #2 because they gave up less than 20 points otherwise, and that should be more than enough for an offense to win the game.

Offense is just inconsistent. Sometimes we have great drives and sometimes it's just 3 and out crap. Overall they are average. Gase was brought in to fix it and I'm not seeing the fix.

 

They gave up 17 points. not 20+....they can't be blamed for the a pick 6.

Defense has been frustrating but hasn't been all that different from the offense in terms of being bad.

 

I'd say the coaching is to blame. If I didn't know any better I'd say Philbin was still here.

 

Its a culture man. A culture that breeds failure and brings out the worst in the players and the fans. I can't blame any single entity, I blame the entire organization for SUCKING.

 

The defense gave up 17 pts. Tannehill gave them another 6.

 

They're both terrible. Can't consistently run and can't stop the run. D can't cover intermediate or deep.

What I saw that I'm intrigued by is Drake. I'd like to see what this guy can do. I suspect Gase is too deferential to Arian Foster and behind him he's too egalitarian to pick amongst the remainder.

To fix this team, short of winning the lottery and actually PICKING THE next ACTUAL franchise QB, Dolphins need: 1) a bad assed RB that can pick up, reliably, 4+ yards every carry; 2a) a quick tackling machine at LB; and 2b) another CB to pair with Howard. I'm pleasantly surprised with what I've seen of Howard.

 

Well, here we go with the he said/she said arguments.

This TEAM, on both offense AND defense, has shown flashes. I mean, damn good flashes. The problem is consistency all the way around. The big holes that are apparent are the run game and the run defense. Not concerned with the pass blocking, passing game, pass rushing, or pass defense. Yes, they need work, but I actually am fine with those parts of the game.

Without the running game, they're relying on Tannehill in a new offense to control tempo. Ain't happening. He still looks like a scrambled egg out there at times; though at times, he looks really sharp. This is okay by me simply because I understand that this is like his fourth different offense in 5 years. It'll take time. The run game is holding them back, mainly in conversions and time management. This hurts the D tremendously given the HUGE swings in TOP. Even Gase said it was on the offense to get going early.

Today, Gase tried several backs to see who would/could make plays. Basically, he knows what Ajayi offers, and he knows that Foster is an injury away from saying buh-bye. Drake seemed okay, but also ran like a rookie at times not showing any patience. I look for Drake to maybe break the lineup more often. But I'm not sure he's the bellcow type. And Miami needs that right now. I think Gase needs that right now.

Because of these things, the D is playing on their toes. They're going to wear out quicker and quicker each game. And the bad part about this OT "win"; they have to head to Cincy in just a couple of days. Yay! Go Miami!

Gase and Co. seem to be getting outcoached at times. And they lack a good sense for in-game adjustments at this point. I don't know. They're green, so I'm giving them a pass for a while. I just hope they learn from all of this. Maybe Gase is being hindered a bit by calling his own plays instead of being a HC 100% of the time? It's certainly frustrating for sure.

 

If you count only regulation time, the defense gave up 17 points and offense put up 24.

Considering we played the Browns at home missing essentially half their starting lineup due to injury, those numbers are pretty bad on both sides.

 

The way people are reacting to how Tannehill played you'd think he had a game like...

Cam Newton ... 21 / 35 for 262 yds 0-3 and 47 QBR.

Carson Palmer.... 26/50 for 287 yds 0-4 and 36 QBR.

Roethlisberger. 24/55 257 yds 0-1 62.4 QBR.

Flacco .... 29/40 214 yds 0-2 64 QBR.

Dalton ... 21/31 206 yds 0-2 72 QBR

Fitzpatrick 20/44 188 yds 0-6 and 18 QBR.

Instead of being the 6th overall rated QB for week 3 with a 94 QBR.

Both sides of the ball are really bad but I don't see an even split like some do, I see the defense as IMMENSELY worse. We are getting torched by 3rd and 4th string no name QBs no one has ever heard of for the SECOND week in a row now and people are harping on our QB. It's insane.

 

Careful, when you point that giant gapping holes in their logic, there's whole discussions about you being a troll.

Its really simple, there's a contingent of this board that bends logic, reason, football sense and the truth all so they can ***** about one guy. It is destroying this board.

 

Couldn't agree more with that. This might be the worst defense i've seen in a long time, including Philbins, and all I see here is Tannehill.

 

Exactly.

You probably don't know this but Thill is the only QB to throw 2 INTs in a game. Until today its never happened.......

 

It's funny, Week 1, they argued with me that Tannehill was not good based on stats, and said you couldn't use the incomplete to Stills to look at what could have been.

Today is, doesn't matter what the stats say, he was bad.

The flip flopping is expected...and amazing.

 

There's no flip flopping. The stats are the stats, whatever they're worth, and I'm certainly not playing "IF" games on any of them. Flip flopping would be if I did.

For example, I don't go around constantly talking about IF the Browns didn't miss even one of the FG's, etc.. right? But who here keeps making that argument like many kept trying to give Tannehill credit for Stills' drop? No excuses period.

Also.. in both the Seattle game and this game, Tannehill's rating was below the average rating given up by the opposing defenses in 2015. That's the same comparison I made for both games.

And finally, I think we all agree that Tannehill played better than his stats suggest in that Seattle game, in good part because of that Stills drop. So acknowledging the stats aren't telling the whole story isn't flip flopping. Same thing here. Tannehill played worse than his stats suggest, at least IMO. All this is consistent whether you like it or not resnor.

 

It is flip flopping, when one week it's "He was bad, look what his stats were. He had a below average rating. Ignore the horrific drop that wrecked his stats." And then this week it's, "Ignore the stats, he played badly, don't worry about his rating, it's fraudulent."

You can try to spin it however you want, but that's exactly what's happening.

 

I can only speak for myself resnor.. not tracking what everyone else that thinks Tannehill didn't play well has said, but I didn't even mention Tannehill's stats in the 1st game until you mentioned them. I was only going by what I saw in the game until this Stills drop issue and the "IF" rating kept coming up.

So what you're saying doesn't apply to me. What I'm doing is exactly what I described in the post you quoted. No flip flopping.

 

I don't understand why you took my post to be directed at you??

 

what i see with the offense is a good offense. they can score on anybody. they are still a work in prgress though. today we saw the first seasonal adjustment that gase made when he decided to attack cleveland's defense with intermediate passes instead of the dink and dunk he favored the first two games. thats why you saw the sacks again. but you also saw the big play chunk plays. really the only guy who played poorly today was ROT Jenkins. Was he going against their rookie emannuel ogbah? if he was that kid's going to be good. i think the only glaring weakness we have right now on offense is run blocking. If we fix that over the next month we should be a top ten offense for the last eight games of the season

defensively we are all over the place. it seems to me that we have to wait until week eight to figure out what we have in our defense. people simply arent on the same page. missed assignments, blown tackles. it just seems its going to take the full eight weeks to adjust to this new defense. i know right now we suck. when crowell can gash you for a twenty yard run up the middle with nothing but a straight ahead run we have problems. i think there is potential there but its difficult to scout because our players are just missing too many assignments

 

Res,

You're a good dude who I'd never ever call a troll but please stop the vague, snarky posts you sometimes make which accuse "the board" of one crime or another.

My attitude is, if you can't address a complaint towards a particular individual you shouldn't say it. On that note, if there really are people who are unfairly blaming the QB without giving him any credit then call those people out by name so the board knows who they are.

But enough with defending Tannehill like it's you against this board.

 

Oh stop it.

Number 1, were not supposed to actually call out individual posters in posts like that.
Number 2, read the damn board, then be intellectually honest and tell me whose being ridiculous....resnor or the people saying Thill and Gase need to be replaced and acting like yesterday was the biggest loss in franchise history.

 

The team is awful together.
#AwfulTogether


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The offense has 4 or 5 chances to put the game away and could not do it. Gase is not happy with the offense.

 

Yeah like when we were up by 10 late in the game and a 4th string QB played our defense like tools. I remember.

Or when the offense drove down field for the game winner in OT.

or when the offense took the lead vs Seattle with 4 minutes left and the defense folded.

Or when our terrible defense had us down 24-0 vs NE and our offense put us back in the game on a 24-7 run