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How much does a QB contribute to winning?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pauly, Aug 5, 2016.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Well brady was 25 for 25 yesterday in pats scrimmage

    As much as I hate that ****er he is a leader and Tannehill is not.
     
  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Shula hung onto archaic formations, was still drafting based on old strategies, had many time management slip ups, would go into prevent defense with a 3 point lead, was clueless in how to use the 2 point conversion, and was always fielding an overall bad team.

    He had lost it.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That would scare me if Tannehill went 25 for 25 on Saturday.
    Would mean a terrible year for our defense
     
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  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    It wouldn't scare me because I know our defence is not going to be good.
     
  5. Man-U

    Man-U New Member

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    Because you know Tannehill cannot do that unless someone on defense is screwing up.
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Not at all.
    New offense verses new defense. Defense should win every time
     
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  7. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to gase.
     
  8. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Why is that? :confused1:
     
  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Gase wasn't pissed that the defense won, or did better. He was pissed that the offense was just playing lackluster football.
     
  10. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Exactly because we have no leader at QB.
     
  11. cbrad

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    Whatever the reasons are for the lackluster effort on the offensive side.. going forward the blame will lie squarely with Gase if it doesn't get fixed. More than anyone else, responsibility for making sure the team is motivated and properly prepared lies with the HC.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I guess that is the only answer.
     
  13. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    It is.He is not an alpha male.Average qb on average team.He cant elevate his teammates to be a playoff team.6-10-8-8 here we come again.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Put it simple, defense isn't as complex and doesn't need as many moving parts to work together to succeed. If 5 people on the defense are not doing their job, 5 are doing just enough and 1 person has a great play, there is a much better chance of a good defensive play. On offense, if 5 people are not doing their job, 5 players are doing just enough, and one person has a great play, there is not as good of a chance of the play being successful.

    Corners do a decent job, Defensive end has an amazing play, you have a sack.

    Wide receivers do awesome, quarterback does a decent job, offensive line is blown out of the water, you ahve a sack.
     
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  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I guess we'll all have to just take your word for it.

    It's not even about whether I agree or disagree. It's about people with zero real knowledge of the team or the player in question, making absolute statements and judgements. It's crazy.
     
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  16. Stringer Bell

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    Gase has a pretty decent runway before he takes any blame.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
     
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  17. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Well I Know I wasn't at the practice but as a QB it's ur job to be leader and make sure the effort is 100 percent.If the players don't follow what does that say about ur leadership skills?
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Nope, that's not really your job as QB.

    It's what YOU want the QBs job to be.

    Further, you know nothing about Tannehill other than done sentences from pressers, or what you've seen in a game. You don't know him. Leadership is more than fiery outbursts, throwing chairs, or grabbing facemasks.

    Please note, I'm NOT saying Tannehill is or isn't a leader. I don't know. I'm not around him, I don't know him. I'm pointing out, no one, as a fan, really has any idea.
     
  19. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    All you have to do is watch the games.
     
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  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah...

    Not sure what you expect to see from a young QB who's neutered by a coach who claims to be "queasy" and who is actively campaigning to replace him cause he's using him as a scapegoat for his failure as a coach.

    But, yeah, all you have to do is watch the games.
     
  21. jdang307

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    Practice squad and roster players disrespected him (and Philbin) last year.

    Can he be a leader? Sure. Is he yet? I don't think he's there yet.
     
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  22. pumpdogs

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    I am not sure how many years you give a Qb to become a leader?This is year 5 upon us and he is no longer a young Qb.
     
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  23. Finster

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    A leader is a leader, especially in bad situations, that is when their qualities show the most, and the defining quality of a leader is that people will follow them, people will always look to a leader for answers and direction.
     
  24. DW2

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    How much does a QB help a team win?? ALOT. Period. Stats are useless. Adjusting at the line of scrimmage and making a play out of nothing doesn't show up on stat sheets.
     
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  25. jdang307

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    As long as he still has the starting job, he could become that guy. Winning cures everything.
     
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  26. pumpdogs

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    I sure hope so because like most of you I am sick of these 6-to 8 win seasons.
    Tannehill I don't think you will ever be an above average QB and lead us to a superbowl but please prove me wrong!
     
  27. cbrad

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    I don't think Tannehill's personality will change even if we become a perennial playoff team, so IMO realistically you shouldn't expect him to show the type of leadership abilities you're referring to.

    The big question is whether with the right coach and surrounding cast we'll have a good enough offense with Tannehill as QB to be a perennial playoff team. The answer is it's possible and we'll see if it happens this year. But yeah.. year 5!!! So personally, either we find out Tannehill's a franchise QB with Gase and (on paper) the necessary WR and OL talent (WHY did we lose Miller??) or we find someone else.

    Like you, I am SICK of these mediocre seasons.
     

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