Tannehill on Gase and This Year

I have refrained from commenting similar things, but it has really stood out to me how many good things Gase had said about Tannehill. Gase certainly seems to feel that Tannehill will be fine, in fact, in the other Gase thread, Gase was quoted as saying his biggest concern is whether or not other offensive players will be as fluent in the offense and executing it, as Tannehill will be.

I believe the coach having Tannehill's back will be huge for him, and I think we'll see Tannehill play looser, and hopefully be willing to go off script, and extend plays with his legs.

 

I like the part about how Gase commented about challenging Tannehill to find his breaking point, and that it's insinuated that he has yet to find it. That tells me Tannehill's handcuffs may have been even more significant than we thought. I'm moderately hopeful that we are going to see an explosive offense this year. 15 plus years of let-down have left me very weary though. With camp starting, we will get all kinds of hope stories coming out. It's the NFL doing it's job. But could we maybe have a significant turn around year ahead of us?

I was not a Tannehill supporter when he was first drafted. In fact I sure he'd be the second coming of Chad Henne adn I actually wanted to see Matt Moore get a shot with his remarkable long ball accuracy. But certain moments over the past few years have won me over to RT. The critics will rip him and say there is no excuse for a QB. Losing record is what matters to them. I'm in the camp that believes RT has had uncommon hurdles to overcome and he has performed extremely well despite them. Biggest areas in need of improvement I see for him would be aggressive confidence and deep ball. The thing is he reall knows this about himself. And if he approaches these areas with keys to the kingdom and with the same effort he's put forth to improving each year so far... well... I'm moderately hopeful.

 

Anddddd here we go again.

Im getting sucked in...

This team CAN be a playoff team despite the schedule. Im falling for it like I said I wouldn't, tis that time of the year.

 

I have not really seen where Gase has been super supportive of Tannehill.

 

He tons of examples in the OP. Just gotta scroll up.

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I'm holding fast bro! Show Me Mode!!!

 

I love this article! This team has so much potential. I want to see it on the field. The season can't start fast enough!!

 

Have read ANY quotes from Gase regarding Tannehill? You'll probably argue they're all coach-speak, but he's always talking about how prepared mentally and physically Tannehill is, and says that he's concerned with other players not being able to execute at the level Tannehill can or will.

I know you're not a fan of Tannehill, but Gase has had nothing but very good things to say about Tannehill.

 

Wait until late August...THAT will test your will.

 

Musssstttt resisstt Optimism!!!!!!

 

from a financial standpoint, Miami will have to give some of that Guaranteed money and convert to bonus, so we can level out the cap hit

 

After buying in hard before last year I refuse to this year. Now that doesn't mean that I am unhappy with what I see. I like Gase, I like the draft, I liked the trades and more subdued approach to free agency.
I like that Thill finally has a coach that seems to be supportive and will do the right thing and allow him to audible out of bad plays giving him and the team a fighting chance.
I think that the changes this year have been for the best and will lead to improvement.

Am I excited football season is upon us? You betcha'! I just refuse to put myself on that emotional rollercoaster with the Dolphins until I actually see a team that, although still has some holes, is competent, capable and playing with
some passion. It has unfortunately been awhile since any of those things happened on a consistent basis.

 

He's been 100% supportive of Tannehill. "Super" supportive? I don't know about that. But he's been supportive with nothing negative to say.

That said, let's wait until bullets fly. I do feel Gase is the best guy to get the most out of him.

 

The fact he said that his coach having his back is "a little bit of a changeup for me," is just...I mean, good god I hate Joe Philbin.

 

Exactly.

 

Its really hard to think of many head coaches with the "deer in the headlights" look in pressers who ended up being successful. You can only do so much to hide who you are on the inside.

 

I think Philbin is an introvert and wouldn't surprise me if he was on the autistic spectrum.

 

It's really quite amazing that Tannehill hasn't been permanently ruined by this past coaching staff. I keep trying to put myself in his spot and imagine how I would react.

Like, imagine you've just graduated from college and got yourself an awesome job... you have very little experience and everyone knows it, but some of your superiors really like your potential. Things is, your boss, who was supposed to show you the ropes and teach you the ins an outs of your new job isn't doing anything to help you. Actually, quite the contrary, when things go wrong he repeatedly places blame on you behind your back, shows no support and even implied that he wanted to demote you.
You have to learn everything by yourself and are expected to solve big problems but have little authority in the company. Your peers do not seem to respect you because your boss clearly does not support you. On top of that, you notice that your boss is really bad at his job.

Honestly how did Tannehill withstand this?

 

The bold is putting it midly.. a vast exaggeration.

Clearly Tannehill got a lot better over the years he's been here. That's to a great deal due to his coaches. That many, including Ross, think the coaches stalled his development just means they think the coaches couldn't take him far enough. Besides, it's not yet clear how much of that stalled development was due to Tannehill.

 

Whilst it is an exaggeration I wouldn't say its a vast exaggeration.

Firstly, we drafted a QB who we knew needed extra development because of his college career, yet instead of hiring a known 'QB whisperer' Philbin hired Zac Taylor. Now Zac Taylor may end up being a good coach, as he showed some good things as interim OC, but he isn't the guy to hire to drill and develop young QBs.
Secondly when you look at what Gase has concentrated on with Tannehill in OTAs this year it has been drilling of the fundamentals. Footwork and throwing position. While I do firmly believe that drilling of fundamentals is important in any job, the amount of emphasis that Gase has put into it this year is a strong indicator that the prior regime had put insufficient weight on it.
Thirdly Lazor's refusal to let Tannehill audible. The only way to learn to do something properly is to do it in real situations. Leaving the aside the negative aspects the inability to audible has on the game itself, by refusing to allow Tannehill to audible stopped Tannehill from learning how to do it. If Philbin was genuinely interested in developing Tannehill this is something Philbin should have overruled Lazor on.

I do agree that its murky how much of the stall is due to the QB and how much due to the coaches. However, I do think it is clear that the previous coaches failed in their duty to fully develop the talent at their disposal.

 

Don't do it Fin!!!

They're not getting me this time LOL

I'm confident in the new staff but I want to see it on the field before I start getting my hopes up.

 

The team tried to make Tannehill's transition to the NFL as smooth as possible by keeping Mike Sherman. Zac Taylor is a minor player in this story given what they tried to do with Sherman. And it's not like they thought beforehand that Taylor wasn't the best available guy for the job.

Regarding the audibling issue, the coaches ultimately need to help the team win the game. It's not clear to me they were right or wrong in narrowing Tannehill's responsibilities. Maybe that's what they thought would help the team most and maybe they were right. We'll see.. gotta first see Tannehill become a much better QB when he has those responsibilities to attack the previous HC for that.

Finally, just because Gase is working on fundamentals doesn't mean the previous coaches didn't help a ton. Remember how Tannehill couldn't make some throws with the proper touch, how his deep ball improved, how he no longer locks onto one WR like he did in 2012, etc..? Guess who that was due to? A lot of the credit goes to the coaches. So yeah it's a vast exaggeration to suggest he had to learn everything on his own.

Of course we all agree the previous coaches weren't good enough. That part is not in dispute (I hated the fact we didn't fire Philbin earlier).

 

This is pretty spot on. I've been trying to say this for years. I mean, some will focuson that one phrase, "have to learn everything for himself," but, focusing on that misses the point, and really only serves to try to dismiss the overwhelming point being made.

 

I didn't hate the Philbin hire, but I got on the fire Philbin bandwagon in his third year.

I obviously differ in the Zac Taylor hire. For a veteran QB, the QB coach should be there to tweak little things, but for a rookie I believe it is more important to get get known coach who can improve technique. Ultimately I believe Zac Taylor was hired because it would be good for Taylor's career,not because it would help Tannheill. Secondly Sherman had Tannehill not playing as a QB in college, and I remember when we drafted Tannehill some Texas A&M fans coming here and telling us Sherman was playing an inferior QB ahead of RT17. Then you add in Sherman's schemes being old school and passed their use by date in the NFL. So while on the face of it hiring Sherman helped Tannehill in retrospect (20/20 hindvision and all that) it probably didn't really help a lot.

As far as the audibling goes, my comments were based on how it did not help Tannehill improve as a QB. One thing that great coaches do is they keep stretching their players limits. Failing to do that is settling for mediocrity. Basically RT17 is the franchises' meal ticket. Not taking the risk and seeing what he was capable of in real game situations is guaranteeing you'll never make the Superbowl.

Also the deep ball improved when he had receivers who worked on their routes and weren't limited athletically. Also his skills at the deep ball naturally improved simply by doing more repetitions. I am surprised and disappointed at the amount of time Gase has been spending on fundamentals for a 5th year QB. As I said their definitely should be some, and I agree the previous staff did work on that too. My problem is just how much Gase has focussed on it, when it should be second nature by now,

I totally agree it is an exaggeration to say Tannehill had to learn the job by himself. I would say that the coaching support Tannehill got was far from adequate in terms of what you would expect a successful NFL franchise committed to developing a rookie QB would do.

 

IMO people vastly under-estimate the importance of a QB's surroundings. When Bill Walsh was there, SF had one of the best QB situations in the league. Steve Young was being labeled a bust after a couple of years in TB and I doubt that Montana would have even been a starter on most teams, but in a great situation in SF they both looked like GOATs. The impact of the surrounding situation can be that huge. I feel that Tannehill has had one of the worst QB situations in the league since he's come in. Aside from a revolving door of coaches, the protection has ranged from bad to horrible and the passing systems and play calling have been embarrassingly bad. Additionally, he never had the benefit of a great other unit to carry the team and as this thread discusses, he's had some questionable backing from some of the staffs. I don't believe that most QBs would have survived.

 

You kinda mean like every other job in the world? I know if I don't get done what my boss thinks I should get done he will demote me if not fire me.

 

From what I am reading he is doing that with ALL positions. He seems to be a huge fundamentals guy, which I personally find to be refreshing.

 

With respect to the audible issue,

Tannehill was unable to audible, period. No changes to the play at all. So when they get a play sent in from the sideline, they line up, then the defense reads and audibles their protection to match the offensive front they are seeing, and the offense is now stuck in a losing position. That is why it is so important to be able to do some of that improvisation at the QB spot.

Now the question becomes, is RT17 capable of running that kind of offense, with those kinds of responsibilities? No one knows. We haven't seen him ever be allowed to try it. My guess is we see a lot of testing in preseason games which will likely lead to a bunch of WTF moments from the fans. However this is the only way for him to really learn and we should be a little patient, especially when the games don't matter.

 

teams hide their defenses better now, so I am not sure how valuable the audible is now in days. Still, nice to have.

 

I don't know what kind of company you work for but most smart companies try to develop and train their incoming employees, especially when they're fresh out of college with little to no experience. A smart company is not going to have its young employees lead big projects without giving them the proper support and authority to do it.

 

he might work for Microsoft.

 

Not true.

 

Surroundings entail so many other players that regression to the mean is statistically inevitable. There is a lot of research indicating that talent acquisition regresses to the mean rather quickly.

Coaching is certainly different, however. An NFL QB likely won't make it past his second coaching staff. In the case of Tannehill, I have no doubt that Philbin and his staff did not coach him well. That said, it certainly isn't comforting knowing that these coaches likely wanted Tannehill drafted when he came out.

 

Don't agree. Amazon is a great example.

 

You should not have to teach a QB how to play QB. Do you teach a chemist how to be a chemist? A teacher how to be a teacher? A doctor how to be a doctor?

 

Not sure you're phrasing this right because you definitely have to teach a chemist how to be a chemist (that's what grad school is for) and a doctor how to be a doctor (that's what residency is for).

Doesn't mean that if you don't succeed it's all the fault of the environment. Practically everyone faces adversity in life and you have to deal with it. So yes Tannehill wasn't in the best of situations, but who is? Not many. Can't blame it all (or even most of it) on everyone else.

 

Don't you need to teach all of those professions? I mean, thats what college, and grad school are for.....

As for RT, he's been poorly coached for the past nine years, and yet he's overcome that and shone when given the chance. He now has a HC who everyone agrees seems to be great as a teacher, for the first time in his life. Lets see how that works.