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X-Man - Dion Jordan

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    It's a bit of a misnomer that OLB is his natural position, in college he played the "elephant" position in a 3-4, and also DE in a 3-4, which translates to 4-3 DE in the NFL, he spent most of his time at the LOS, he didn't play a tradition "LB" position, with the responsibilities that that entails, so based on what he played in college it's not evident that OLB is his natural position.
     
  2. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I agree that there is a lack of technique, as you say, but he's stonewalled by TEs on running plays nearly all the time, and that is a lack of strength, to go along with a lack of technique, because he should be able to win most of those matchups on pure strength, if it was just OTs that did it I would agree that it was just technique, but since he gets owned by TEs all the time, lack of strength is playing a factor.
     
  3. cbrad

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    I mean he's more a natural at the OLB position in the NFL given the skills he demonstrated as a rookie. His weaknesses were known at the time of draft: not good against runs and lacks pass rushing moves.

    But one thing he definitely showed early on was the ability to cover TE's and slot WR's. And for delayed blitzes he's perfect, especially if you already have good pass rushers on the DL. So IMO it was a huge mistake trying to force DJ to bulk up and play DE straight up after seeing him as a rook (indeed that experiment failed). I would've preferred to use him at OLB and slowly correct his weaknesses. What's really sad is many observers said that but our coaches obviously didn't.
     
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  4. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I do get what you're saying, but it may be that he doesn't have the "instincts" to play LB, as a LB you have to be kind of intuitive, so to speak, they have to be able to read even before the play gets going, and have the ability to process info quickly, and perhaps that's why he was put on the line, because maybe he just doesn't have the metal abilities needed for LB.
     
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  5. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    You can add him to the long list of reclamation projects we've taken on that will likely fail.
     
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  6. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Your boy Dak got arrested the other day.
     
  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Your boy Dak got arrested the other day.
     
  8. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Dunno... Are you gonna be a good girl and wear that little thing you wear late at night on web cam when you do those naughty things you do with the other "props" for Todd? :shifty:
     
  9. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I didn't hear that until now, thanks for the info, a DUI, he took 2 breathalizers, the first was invalid, and the second was insufficient, lol, whatever that means, but he did man up and not give any excuses, apologized for his bad judgment and promised to show what kind of man he is in the future, basically just saying the right things.

    It's not good obviously, but not the end of the world either, there was no "incident" to go with it, like a crash or what not, so it wouldn't scare me away from drafting him.
     
  10. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Well, the only full year he played(rookie), he played at his college weight, he was a complete liability vs the run, and couldn't beat the man in front of him in the passrush, the team wanting him to gain weight going into his second year was just hoping that would make him more effective, but he got busted for PEDs.

    This all just mirrors his college career, where he wasn't all that productive, didn't have many sacks, and didn't have a lot of TFLs, or much of anything else for that matter, and as Pauly has pointed out, many of the plays he actually did make he was unopposed, he is an athlete playing football, not a football player who is an athlete.

    Having said all that, any player who is good for the Fins, I'm a fan of, and I will give anyone props that can predict something like that.
     
  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    exactly, I'm for any player that makes the team better.
     
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  12. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I'm not expecting much but at the same time people do change.
     
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  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    As Trailer Park supervisor Jim Lahey once so eloquently said, "A sh!t leopard can't change its sh!t spots."
     
  14. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Per Mando:

    "Dion Jordan within window to request reinstatement

    Dion Jordan is eligible to apply for reinstatement from his NFL banishment under the league's drug policy.

    Any player -- in this case, Jordan -- who has been banished under Stage Three of the NFL's drug policy may apply formally in writing for reinstatement up to 60 days before the one-year anniversary date of the letter so banishing him. Jordan was banished with the opportunity to seek reinstatement after one year on April 28, 2015. That means he was eligible to begin the process of getting back in the league as early as February.
    It is not known if Jordan and his representation has indeed begun that process. The Dolphins have repeatedly declined to discuss Jordan's status, citing the NFL's confidentiality clause in the drug policy and fearing penalties for violating any portion of that clause -- perceived or real.

    The NFL and NFL Players Association agreed to a drug policy that has clear guidelines Jordan must follow to return to the NFL.

    His application should include all pertinent information about the Player’s: (a) Treatment; (b) Abstinence from Substances of Abuse throughout the entire period of his banishment; (c) Involvement with any Substances of Abuse related incidents; and (d) Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including Substances of Abuse-related offenses.

    Once NFL commissioner Roger Goodell receives the reinstatement application the following happens:

    1. Within 45 days of receipt of the application, the player will be interviewed by the medical director and the medical advisor, after which a recommendation will be made to the commissioner with regard to the player’s request for reinstatement.
    2. The Player will execute appropriate medical release forms that will enable the commissioner’s staff and NFLPA Executive Director’s staff to review the player’s substance abuse history, including but not limited to attendance at counseling sessions (individual, group and family); attendance at 12-step and other self-help group meetings; periodic progress reports; and all diagnostic findings and treatment recommendations.
    3. The player will submit to urine testing by an NFL representative at a frequency determined by the medical advisor.
    4. The player will agree in a meeting with the commissioner or his representative(s) to comply with the conditions imposed by the commissioner for his reinstatement to the status of an active player.
    5. All individuals involved in the process will take steps to enable the commissioner to render a decision within 60 days of the receipt of the application.



    The earliest Jordan can be reinstated is April 28. That assumes he and his representation have abided by the steps listed above to the letter and did so in timing that suggests they are in the final stages of working toward reinstatement.
    But that is merely a best-case scenario. That is not necessarily the reality of this case.

    Indeed, it is quite possible Jordan has not applied for reinstatement yet as his target date for returning to the league was -- according to one source -- fluid. There have been times Jordan told confidants he wanted to return "as soon as possible." There have been times he's said he wants to be back in time for training camp. There was even one time, midway through his suspension, Jordan signaled he might be done playing in the NFL.
    The fluctuation itself is curious.

    Dion Jordan has served three NFL suspensions since being drafted No. 3 overall in 2013. He was suspended four games in 2014 for violating the performance enhancing drug guidelines. He was then suspended four more games in 2014 for violating the substance abuse guidelines. He was then banished from the league with the opportunity to apply for reinstatement after one year last April -- the current suspension he's serving.

    During that time the Dolphins have failed to find a position for Jordan when he was been on the field, suggesting a lack of organizational vision for a player they drafted so high. The team also has wavered on whether it wants to keep Jordan.
    He has been on the trade block numerous times and the Dolphins were expecting to trade him to Philadelphia (and coach Chip Kelly, who coached Jordan at Oregon) when he was suspended the last time.
    Kelly is now in San Francisco.

    One Dolphins source has told The Herald the team expects to welcome Jordan back if and when he is reinstated. Another source has told me that is mere posturing in hopes of making Jordan viable enough to trade."


     
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  15. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    But people do mature as they get older. Not that I'm expecting DJ to even make the team, but it's possible he could wake up and smell the cat food.
     
  16. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    There are exceptions - Chris Carter being the poster boy for change. maybe if Dion burned through all his money - that could be a driving force but I just haven't seen any evidence that he wants to be back on the team. I'd be fine if we just moved on.
     
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  17. jw3102

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    To me, the issue with Jordan isn't just the drug problem. The real problem in regards to playing in the NFL is he just isn't very good. He was a below average player when he was active and after sitting out the last year, I don't expect he will be any better.

    It will be a huge surprise to me if he is on the Dolphins roster once the regular season begins. Hopefully the Dolphins can trade him for a 7th round pick to the 49ers, since Kelly was interested in trading for Jordan before his drug issue last year.
     
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  18. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    the guys been out of football basically for a few years now (not playing) so hes out of conditioning and skill set has diminished im sure. We would not get anything out of him IMHO.
     
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  19. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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  20. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    Read the rest of the article here http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...n-within-window-to-request-reinstatement.html
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ill make it extra naughty
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ewww, that felt weird.
     
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  23. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I haven't been on the forum for a few days. I haven't even read a single response to the thread.

    But please. I know its "the off season". A 4 page thread about Dion flipping Jordan being anything other than a nasty taste in your mouth when you wake up that makes you wonder what the flip you did last night...

    Let alone an Xfactor. Is that a new STD?

    Tell me I have to pin my hopes on Dion Jordan? Rhymes with Jamar Fletcher. Or my favorite... Eddie F. .N. Moore

    No offense but, that was the first thread title I saw when I logged on tonight, and I already can't stand it so... goodnight.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This post^ is a silly over reaction, WADR.

    No one is expecting anything. No one is telling you to pin your hopes on anything.

    Its merely a discussion about what if X happens or Y happens. Nothing more.

    If you're frustrated with the Dolphins or with a player, fine there's good cause for that, but there's no need to attack thread for doing nothing wrong or crazy.
     
  25. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Bite me. If I want be a grouchy old bastard I can and will be!
     
  26. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yes and I said as much. If you want to yell at the kids walking on your lawn, then by all means go for it. My point was, you're yelling at kids that aren't there.
     
  27. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    HERE HERE! Poor unappreciated thread. We should let his employer know he's being such a bully!
     
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  28. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Sorry. Missed the memo where you were put in charge of thread etiquette. Still wouldn't care, but at least id have been informed.

    Talking about "the player" is a waste of brain cells. And oh so precious time.
     
  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    And yet....here you still are talking about the player.

    This also has **** all to do with thread etiquette. I was just pointing out that you're being such a grumpy **** you're literally fabricating stuff and attributing it to people.
     
  30. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Its a good thing you're pretty. Try being quieter though. Please.
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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  32. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Ok. I'll play. But first off its 2016. I'm pretty sure goat ducking is legal. At least in Washington. And again. Who are you to wave you're finger at me? Arabs been doing it for centuries.

    Back to the thread... What exactly did I fabricate?
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I've made it pretty clear, just look up a couple of posts. This isn't that hard.
     
  34. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Oh and again, I'm old, and act like it. So what does WADR mean. My teenager isn't home or I'd ask her. Thanks.
     
  35. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    What, the part about waking up with a funny taste in your mouth wondering what you did last night? I'm sorry. That was a fabrication I guess. I don't know what you did last night either. Just made an stereotypical assumption based on your reputation. Shouldn't assume. My apologies.
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Maybe its time to take those meds then, old man.
     
  37. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Good idea. Don't mind if I do.
     
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