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Tired of Ryan Tannehill? He would be prized by other teams

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    This is pretty much the equivelant to throwing one last haymaker before tossing in the towel, and admitting you're in over your head, through with reaching, etc.... You should have given up before laying out on a limb for some lowsy slouch like Wallace. Now you're just desperate !
     
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  2. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Only 3 QBs I'd put in that top tier in recent history. Rodgers Brady and Manning.

    That's why I never put Brees and Big Ben in there. They weren't good enough to have their teams at least limp into the playoffs every year. But they're really really good. Romo right behind them.

    I'd love for Tanny to ascend into the Big Ben level. Or Romo. Can he get to Romos level? Not sure.
     
  3. dgfred

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    Yeah... the Cowboys are very satisfied with all their playoff victories under Romo.
     
  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well instead of "believing" you should verify.

    Bridgewater was 2 of 13 31+ yards down the field. One Td. One INT. 57 rating.

    Flacco was 5 of 18 with absolutely nobody to throw it to, 1/1 td/int. and a 75 rating. In 2014 he was 7 of 30 but with 5 TDs, 3 INTs. and was lights out 21+

    Flacco will be better for Wallace. Yes he had no receivers and he was still better. Steve Smith was fantastic ... for 6 games. After that it was Kamar Aiken and that's all he had. Crocket Gillmore was his 3rd leading receiver and he's a mediocre Tight End.
     
  5. dgfred

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    Of course he did come back this year from a broken collar bone and hurl a win over the Dolphins D... but then he was gone again. Need any practice Tony? Nah... we are playing the Dolphins D when I return.
     
  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When they finally had a less than bottom of the league defense (instead of 32 they were like, 25) they were a Dez Bryant catch away the NFCCG. They went from allowing 27 pts to 23 pts per game and were in the playoffs and about to beat Green Bay.

    You bet they are satisfied with Romo. He's, when healthy, now a top 4-5 QB in the league. Rodgers, Brady, Ben, Brees, Wilson with more time. Newton maybe (I need to see another year) That's it. How many playoff victories does Miami have since 2001.

    See, you guys complain about people elevating Wallace to spite Tannehill, but then you guys turn around and try to discredit players such as Russell Wilson and Tony Romo.
     
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  7. dgfred

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    No... I have mentioned following the Cowboys and I know what their fans are saying. He has like 1 playoff win, is old, is easily injured, and they have no plan after him.
    They have what??? a one year window with him. I don't call that satisfied. Maybe you do.
     
  8. cuchulainn

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    Dude, let it go...

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  9. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nobody is satisfied unless you've won the Super Bowl. Doesn't discredit what Romo is and what they have One of the best QBs this generation. Period. 3rd highest rating of all time.

    He's still got 3-4 years left. The idiot there is Jerry Jones. Their pass defense is horrific. But with a mediocre defense they were a threat in the playoffs. Their offense never had trouble scoring. Their defense just let up the same amount of points (hence 8-8). Their defense in 2013 gave up 27 pts per game and 415 yards a game (dead last). Still go 8-8.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    if you simply watch bridgewaters release, and I talked about this when he was coming out, that he he's a wristy flicky release that is not conducive to deep ball accuracy..without looking at the numbers and just listening to people who are paid to judge I think you will find that it had now been exploited..flacco is on another level in that area of the game
     
  11. resnor

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    You have different stats than SportsCenter, then. Your stats for Bridgewater look right, but they had Flacco with worse stats and a 40 something rating.
     
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  12. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Are you too lazy to read the tables posted a few comments back?
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    All you do is personally attack and insult people.

    Those stats posted are different than what was on SC.

    Can you not read?
     
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  14. dWreck

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    From what i'm seeing here, When the Ravens release Wallace (presumably after year one) It will still be Tannehills fault.
     
  15. number21

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    And then we will hear how Tannehill, Bridgewater, and Flacco wasn't good enough to use him.
     
  16. dgfred

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    That is what I am saying... nobody is really satisfied. I can say with certainty that both the Cowboy and Charger fans a not at all satisfied with their aged almost-HOF QBs. Cowboys suck because of bad D, Chargers same. Do you see a pattern. They got the hof QBs but heck they are even drafting above where we were. But hey... blame RT. Broncos are satisfied with the SB but they would give their good nut for RT right now. They won with mediocre play and a stellar D. Could we win with an above average QB and an above average D? Probably... but you might want to throw in an OL that is at least ranked 20th in something besides QB pressures. Since IMO we have an above average QB and are at least trying to work on the D. What is missing?

    Dang that RT.
     
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  17. number21

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    That's the thing. It seems like the ones who are against Tannehill aren't happy with just above average. They want a super star on the levels of Brady, Peyton Manning, and Rodgers or bust.
     
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  18. Fin-O

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    How about we agree to to stop commenting on each others posts!!

    Errrrrrrrr


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  19. Fin-O

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    What does Mike Wallace have to do with other posters being jack asses?

    Who even discusses that guy anymore? Whats your problem.


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  20. resnor

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    This is so false. You say pointing out advantages that Wilson and the Seahawks have is discrediting him. It's not. It's also unfair to put playoff losses on the QB, unless he deserves it. Like fumbling the hold on a kick.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    I thought that's what we were doing, till you started insulting me directly.

    So back to you being offended by everything....gonna need that list from you.
     
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  22. jdang307

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    Or having to beat one of two bad teams to make the playoffs and then doing squat. Tannehill has played like sheeyat at the end of 2013 and 2014 with the season on the line.

    Also. What advantages? Defense is stellar but we talk about individual performances. Receivers? Seattle never had great ones or even a good corps. Running back? Nullified when all their RBs went down and he just went on a run never seen before. Ever.

    Oline? As bad or worse than ours at times. There is literally no advantage to speak of except his superior ability

    In 3-4 years if he keeps playing like that he's legitimately in the argument for one of the all time greats. We're hoping Tanny pulls away from Matt Ryan and Joe flacco. It is what it is.
     
  23. Shane Falco

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    This is the best thread! Way to spice up a dull offseason!
     
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  24. Fin-O

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    I tried to explain to you how the ignore feature works...ask someone to explain it to you.

    And what list are you reffering too?

    I simply pointed out how you came off and turned this thread into what it is.

    You are simply a flawed poster.


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  25. Fin D

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    Putting you on ignore would do nothing but keep me from seeing when you get your ample panties in a bunch and start insulting me.

    It would probably also raise my IQ a point or two.
     
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  26. resnor

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    Yeah, the defense is a huge advantage. I like how you gloss over it like it's no big deal. The scheme, another big deal. Having a consistent, good run game whether with Lynch or someone else, is a big advantage. Yes, Wilson makes plays. But denying those advantages haven't made his job a whole hell of a lot easier is idiotic.

    Now Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are not good QBs? I guess it all depends on the day, and what you guys are arguing against. Those are two QBs that I've seen touted as far superior to Tannehill...if Tannehill is average, and they are far better, then they must be borderline, or solidly, top 10. But now they're not great, and we're hoping Tannehill can be better than them.
     
  27. Rock Sexton

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  28. bran

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    everyone is better, nick foles, ryan fitzpatrick, the water boy, the towel boy, the ball boy, the AFL qb that plays for tampa....
    everyone will give other teams qb's the benefit of the doubt, andrew luck sucks this year HE IS HURT! SHOW SOME RESPECT, well tannehill has a messed up back, ankle and pissing blood IT DOESN'T MATTER! well tom brady has struggled with the oline being crap and he is taken a lot of hits,TOM BRADY IS GOD HOW DARE YOU! it has become a stale joke.
     
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  29. jdang307

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    What is SC? Sports center? You're basing your argument on what you "remember" watching on Sportscenter? Oh my. I hope you don't mean Sportscenter.
     
  30. Pauly

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    I know RT had a down year last year, but I am still optimistic about his upside.

    He improved years 1-3 and then regressed. The regression did not appear to be the result of a flaw in his technique that was consistently being exploited, at least as far as I've read, so I think that it is more likely that bad circumstances caused his regression than fatal flaws in his skill set.

    As I see it there were a group of poor circumstances that negatively affected RT's performance.
    1) A poor defense. Statistically QBs, on average, have a worse rating when they are playing from behind than when they do when playing from in front. The explanation offered was that teams who are behind take more risks in the passing game, and over time those risks lead to more interceptions and lower completion percentages. But the difference is RT's rating in wins and losses was much higher than what you normally would expect.
    2) Lazor abandoning the run at any time we were behind. Compounding the fact that playing from behind means calling riskier passes because our tendency was both obvious and well known opposing Ds were able to go into full pass defense mode and not worry about defending the run.
    3) RT not being able to audible. In and of itself this isn't a huge problem, but when your opponents know this is a fact and that the OC publicly says he isn't changing it, again makes the opposing D's job easier, because not only do they not have to worry about defending the run, they don't have to worry about an audible.

    It seems probable that NFL defenses have more accustomed to and better at defending 'Chip Kelly' zone-read style offenses. Certainly Kelly and Lazor seem very resistant to changing a system that they have had initial success with. Because I think that the zone-read style should be capable of evolution like the Bill Walsh 'west coast' offense I don't think that the system is holding RT back. Maybe the implementation was flawed or the authors didn't work hard enough on keeping ahead of opposing Ds, but the basic system seems sound. This isn't like the wildcat bamboozling the NFL for three quarters of a season then getting figured out.

    It's been suggested RT was playing through injury. I'm not sure of the true extent of it and in any event every NFL player is playing through some sort of injury, so I find it hard to buy into injury as cause of his reduced performance. Especially as some of his worst games were early in the year before injury was indicated to have happened.

    I know some people point to poor pass protection as an explanation for his down year. I don't buy the narrative that RT has poor pocket presence. I won't say he has great pocket presence, but the stats show the ball was leaving his hand quickly, it's just that the pass rush was getting to him quicker. Some of the sacks our guards allowed were amazing in that I thought it's impossible for a 300 pound man to be thrown out of the way so easily. But considering how RT has had poor pass protection all of his career it doesn't explain why 2016 was a down year.

    So I think that if our our playcalling becomes less predictable I can see RT stepping back up to his 2014 level without fixing the O-Line or the Defense. I can see RT making further steps forward with an improved O-line. I see the team being more successful with an improved O-Line and an improved D.
     
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  31. resnor

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    Yeah, SportsCenter just makes up stats. You can complain about their opinion pieces, but stats are stats. They were specifically talking about deep balls, and Bridgewater was more successful last year than Flacco. One of the guys in the show actually made reference to the Dolphins, and said he wasn't defending Tannehill, but the facts were the facts.
     
  32. Shane Falco

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    Sir, we don't use facts here. Have you forgotten?


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  33. Rock Sexton

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    Even though I posted stats from ESPN stating otherwise.

    Also, "Bridgewater, who ranked 30th in the league in net yards per pass attempt last season"

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/mike-wallace-i-wasnt-being-critical-of-teddy-bridgewater/

    That sounds like a QB a deep threat like Wallace could flourish under?
     
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  34. Rock Sexton

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    Troll account is trolling.
     
  35. Fin D

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  36. resnor

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    If I could find the video I'd post it, just to end this stupid discussion.
     
  37. jdang307

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    I gave you the stats from ESPN. you know, the website of the company that puts on sportscenter.

    Those stats were also linked earlier. So you are disputing the stats given by the parent company of sportscenter based on your memory of a show on sportscenter. Do you see how silly that is?
     
  38. Rock Sexton

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    Of course he doesn't. Otherwise I'd just admit he goofed and be done with it.
     
  39. resnor

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    Listen. On the show they had stats about the deep ball, comparing Flacco and Bridgewater. The stats showed Bridgewater with better numbers.

    It's ridiculous that you're arguing with me about it. Whether I can remember what the exact stats were or not doesn't change the fact that they were a story in a nationally televised show.
     
  40. Rock Sexton

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    You dropped this ....

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    The show in your head maybe. :tongue2:
     

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