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Has Jason Allen turned in a Pro Bowl caliber half-season?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Hugo Guzman, Dec 26, 2007.

Has Jason Allen been playing at a Pro Bowl level?

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  2. No

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  1. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    should be a third option for "laughing too hard to click"
     
  2. finfan1966

    finfan1966 New Member

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    I wouldn't say Ginn was a bust but he definitely was not the best player available at number 9. Thats why I hope Mueller and Cameron are gone at the end of the season!
     
  3. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    he has the potential to play at that level and he deff. has taken steps closer to that level but hes not there yet.
     
  4. NJL52

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    He has dropped the bust label but no pro bowl.
     
  5. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I can confirm, almost from the horses mouth, that this is 110% nonsense. It MAY have been the case last year, but not in 2007.
     
  6. Boomer

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    I have no good idea how you can say this? Is this performance based? Because if it is, I'd have to say that off the back of his 8-23-89 yard, 3 pick, 4 sack, 1 fumble performance on Sunday, that JaMarcus Russell should have gone late 6th, early 7th round. You simply cannot judge a rookie, especially a rookie WR after year 1. Ginn is already a top 5 return man, league wide and when this team is better offensively, it will be able to capitalise on this.
     
  7. Dors156

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    This was a great write up. The thing that I have paid the most attention to is his tackling ability. You said it best when he was playing the Eageles. If it werent for Allen, Westbrook has two big runs for touchdowns. Allen has impressed me the most by his tackling ability. All through the draft and training camp, we saw highlights of Ronnie Brown trucking him multiple times but he has improved significantly. Is he a pro bowler no. Could he be next year if he starts a whole year, Possible. Good job!
     
  8. DolfanDaveInATX

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    After a shaky first game, Jason has no longer become the glaring weakness in our secondary. For the most part, his tackling has been solid and he has been around the ball. He took a terrible angle on that long Maroney TD run, but as badly as our front got blown up on that play, I'm not sure that Jason would have stopped him even at a proper angle. And plays like that have been the exception rather than the rule since Cam threw down his public challenge to Jason.

    His play as a starter has not been worthy of a Pro Bowl, but he has convinced me that he deserves to compete for a starting job next year. Me saying that after asking about the salary cap consequences of cutting him just a couple of months ago tells you how far he has come.
     
  9. Danny

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    Agree with those who are saying that he's gotten better but not at a probowl level....he's never gonna be worth that 16 pick in the 1st round but he can be a solid starter for us for the next 10 years lest hope.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  10. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I thought he was more suited at FS because his speed gives him a lot of range. However, he has been very good at run support for the most part, and is a hitter. So maybe he is more natural at SS, especially if he doesn't develop those instincts you mentioned. Your definitely right about him not being dumb!
     
  11. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    J-Allen shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with Pro Bowl.
     
  12. Captain lou

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    Are you making this up? He is 11th rated kick returner in the AFC. The Miami Dolphins are 29th in the NFL. HE has great potential but I haven't seen the instincts. He is definately not top 5 by far. I know he had 2 kick returns called back that means they don't count. If we weren't Dolphin fans we wouldn't even know that nonstat. I'm sure there are many other returners that had TD's taken away due to penalty.
     
  13. Boomer

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    No. How many teams kick away from the majority of returners in football? Very rarely. Teams have kicked away from Ginn. Hell, CNN last week said that he was the 6th best return man in football.

    What you're seeing on a Sunday is probably the worst ST play I've seen in a long time in terms of blocking. You throw in the two returns that were called back on questionable calls and the 52 yarder against Houston and he's behind Josh Cribbs, Hester and Leon Washington. Let me know if those three have had 2 kicks called back.
     
  14. Kdawg954

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    Man I laugh at some of you guys man.

    I mean nobody deserves a Pro Bowl slot on this team . . . Jason Taylor made it on name more than performance . . . . but why has this turned into a Jason Allen "bash" thread. The guy can't catch a break.

    Yea he has made mistakes, yea he still needs to learn and grow . . . but u are kidding yourself if u haven't realize that Jason Allen is easily our MOST athletic DB and possibly most athletic defender. The kid is EVERYWHERE . . . and he is a solid tackler . . . and has playmaking ability . . . and he is continuing to get better. U just can't satisfy some people man . . . I mean c'mon . . . and people have the nerve to say "SCHULTERS" was getting on him for a bad read on a play . . . . gimme a break . . . not Lance "butterfinger" Schulters . . . not Lance "Welker broke my ankle" Schulters . . . . remember the deep ball to Moss . . . Jason Allen was ALL over Randy . . . and Schulters almost caused a PI with his bonehead running into Moss . . . . Jason Allen is a player who will hopefully continue in the right direction . . . and the kid definitely has PRO BOWL talent . . . lets see if he can get the most out of it and get there one day.

    Either way, be happy the kid is making plays . . . he is a Miami Dolphin, and his success would be a great asset to this team.
     
  15. Miamifire

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    Boomer, how do you explain the reluctance of the coaches to put him on the field and play him? What impeded his eventual graduation into the starting lineup? I do not recall which one but I recall a Dolphin beat writer implying he did not like to put in the time in the film room. I do not have a first hand source, it was something I had read. (It was actually quite believable as he has physical talent, but could not sniff playing time for quite awhile.) You mention "almost from the horses mouth". I would be interested in your source. I have read many of your posts and both admire and respect your opinion.
     
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    I didn't read all of ur post as im tired but i read the first part n the 2nd part ( i skipped the body) and off those 2 lines so far i agree 110%. The guy makes players, hits hard, and is the only one capable of GOING and grabbing INTS and this is with him still not sure of our scheme and how to run it w/out thinking bout it. Wait till he gest the mental part down hell rock ppls coordinators on offense.
     
  17. sabanhater

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    he's played better, but he's a long way away from the probowl. a loooooonnng way.
     
  18. Hugo Guzman

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    While I respect all of you who say that Jason Allen is not close to Pro Bowl caliber yet, I think that you all fail to realize just how impressive his last seven games have been.

    If you projected his numbers out to a full season he would have over a 100 tackles, 6 interceptions, and 2 forced fumbles. Those numbers, on a winning team, would almost always translate into a trip to Hawaii.
     
  19. billsfaninpeace

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    Yeah well you always can go by projecting numbers either. I will reserve my judgment until I see a full season out of him. Which you never know might not be with the fins.

    But as of right now Allen would be leaning toward the Bust pile IMO. Based off his performance and where he was selected.
     
  20. alen1

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  21. alen1

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    texans were gonna take him at 10
     
  22. Captain lou

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  23. Hugo Guzman

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    I know you're a Bills fan and all, so you may not be totally up to speed on all things Dolphins, but are you saying that despite his consistent production in the last 7 games, he's still leaning towards the bust pile?

    He's a second year guy that has been playing very well now that he's finally settled into a position. I respect your opinions, but I just don't understand where you're coming from on this one.
     
  24. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Well he averages more tackles a game as a starter, and has the same number of career FF, and 4 times as many INT's as Whitner. Are we really gonna compare draft position to production at this point? They are solid players, JA is better against the run, whilst Whitner is more savy against the pass IMO. Thats it both are producing, maybe when both get some consistent pass rush then they will excel.
     
  25. Whitedolphin54

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    Personally, i think not. He has had a better year on a very below average secondary. I still think for a first round pick, he is a little disappointing thus far. We could have had a much better pick in the first round than him IMO. I know on hindsight that it is easy, but I never wanted him to start with, and never thought him to fit in right away, when we desperately needed help right away.

    When will people start to understand that CB is so more important to a team than safety. Now that should start some sort of debate.
     
  26. NaboCane

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    Jesus, some of y'all are just bonkers.

    Of a 16th overall pick in one of the deepest drafts in memory, I expect to be able to say more than "he's not the weakest link in our secondary anymore."

    In his third freakin' season.

    Allen is serviceable as a Safety, where I thought he'd play all along until someone snaps him like the delicate branch of the tree of misfortune that he is.
     
  27. Kdawg954

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    Stop overreacting . . . his second season isn't even over . . . and the switching of positions and late first camp . . . I mean . . . he still needs time.

    U make it seem like he is a veteran or something . . . this was like his rookie season . . . but I agree next year is the year he needs to prove to the doubters like yourself if he is a bust or not. He hasn't lived up to the 16th overall pick . . . but I see potential that he may . . . hey many thought Ronnie didn't live up to #2 overall . . . . he was this year before he got hurt . . . and it was his third season . . . so the man needs time, especially w/ all the switching going on.
     

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