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Dpark, Matthews and Juice...ones a star, can the other be as well

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, I'm not arguing against bringing Matthews back, I'd love to keep him. I just don't see him looking a similar contracts from say us and Green Bay or Seattle or New England and going "yeah I'll stay in Miami I love it there". I don't think he likes it here and I think he's looking for a place to play. I think the only way we will keep him is with a tag or to overpay and I don't see us doing that. Its just a bad mix for us because we basically held him back and had him in the dog house and we dont' really have a huge amount of cap room to really go after him, Miller and OV. I agree that I would love to keep him but I think the writing is on the wall, he probably wants a new team and I don't blame him.
     
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  2. keithjackson

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    [video=youtube_share;azDvoSVKMi0]http://youtu.be/azDvoSVKMi0[/video]

    Random DeVante Parker thoughts:

    * That took patience to get him on the field, but it was worth it. Ultimately, he looks like a quality starter in the NFL, and this WR unit is now the strength of Miami's offense.

    * Positives from the draft profile were also true on Sundays; he showed the valued size to out-jump and outmuscle his competition, he displayed similarly excellent body control as from his Louisville days, and he looked great when he had the opportunity to run with the ball in his hands.

    * Draftniks' biggest qualm with Parker was a lack of speed and separation. While he can look slow or lumbering out there at times, DeVante was able to create separation when needed in tight spaces.

    * The biggest disappointment with player may have actually been with the sureness of his hands. Catching 26 of 51 targets is comparable to most big body, downfield receivers, however Parker came in with some of the most reliable hands in college football and you expect him to display that extra dependability. Still, that should improve as chemistry with Tannehill builds. On a side note, Jarvis and Kenny both came back to earth after leading the NFL #1 and #2 in catch/target percentage last year, so perhaps there was a system-wide reason for that.

    * The most exciting development from Parker's rookie year is that he became the perfect stretch-the-field weapon he was intended to be. His 19.0 yards/catch average was higher than every other NFL player but one (25+ rec). That's awesome!

    *DeVante is a Patriot-killer. They had no answer for him when home field advantage was on the line. Everyone knows the blueprint for defeating NE's offense; well, we may have figured out their weakness on defense.

    * Looking forward to the real potential of two 1000 yard receivers next year.
     
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  3. Finster

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    Ok, I get what you're saying, that he just doesn't like Miami and will simply opt to go elsewhere because of the bad blood, and I understand that, but everyone he had the bad blood with is gone also, so Gase may very easily be able to smooth things over in that dept, hopefully.
     
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  4. finfansince72

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    I think he's going to be a popular target in Free Agency, he's not going to command Dez Bryant, D Thomas, Megatron type money and he'd be very productive as a featured WR in a good system. I'd be shocked if a top team didn't offer him a solid deal, so he's going to have to choose to stay with us or go to a Superbowl contender. Or he could get a huge offer from a cellar team with a big hole at WR. If Megatron really does retire maybe Detroit throws a big contract at

    I hope we can keep him but Philbin might have burned the bridge. Another parting gift from Philbin. I hope I'm wrong, we really could have an elite WR unit with Landry, Parker and Matthews with Stills as the 4th. Add a TE, one or two guards, bring back Miller and Gase has good to elite talent to work with.
     
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  5. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    All valid points, I just hope the Fins remain competitive in regards to his contract, outside of course a team that wants to throw a huge contract his way.
     
  6. Alex44

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    I could see Matthews as a great fit in Seattle but I don't think they need more upper mid-level receivers.
     
  7. Pandarilla

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    Parker is a true #1 and he's fun to watch. He could explode next year...Better blocking is all we need.
     
  8. jdang307

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    Locket has the skills to be upper tier already.
     
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  9. tirty8

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    Sadly, I think Matthews is gone. He has wanted out of Miami for quite some time now. The fact of the matter is, it would be difficult to justify paying him despite his production. Landry and Parker will be engrained in the lineup as starters which means Matthews and Stills will be competing for playing time as the number three wideout. I couldn't imagine that being a part time number three would excite him. I think he could certainly be a full-time number three or even a number two elsewhere.

    My guess is that we enter the season with:

    Parker, Landry, Stills, Hazel, Late Round Rookie/UDFA

    I think the front office new that this was coming and that is why they kept Hazel on the active roster all year. He is good enough to get claimed.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats what worries me.
     
  11. Finster

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    The thing with Matthews is that he won't be the "3rd" WR, he may very well end up as the 3rd in catches, but he will be a boundary starter, the SE, who has to line up on the LOS, giving Parker the cushion on the other side, so he doesn't have to deal with bump and run.

    Stills isn't good at that, he needs the cushion to operate, even better to have him in motion, he's a 3rd or 4th WR, on a team with Matthews, Parker and Landry he's a 4th WR, Matthews won't have to compete with him for snaps.

    Having Matthews out there gives Tanne the perfect compliment of WRs, because he's the only true SE we have, and he's a pretty good one, Tanne needs everything in place for this year so he can be truly evaluated, because imo, Stills, Parker and Landry is only 2 effective starters on the field, and allows most teams to put the #1 CB on Parker, Matthews on the other hand will draw the #1 CB in a lot of situations, especially the press CB.

    I also hope that because all the guys he had bad blood with are gone, maybe it can be a clean slate with him, and who knows, Gase may really like him.
     
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  12. jw3102

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    I thought Matthews was the best WR on the roster prior to his injury last year. He just never got the opportunity to play much in his first few seasons with the Dolphins.

    I would love to see him remain with the Dolphins. I think a WR Corp of Matthews, Landry, Parker, and Stills could be as good as any WR Corp in the NFL next season.

    My biggest fear is that Belicheck also realizes what an excellent WR Matthews can be and he signs him instead. I think with the Patriots, Matthews would be a 1200 yard WR and he would catch 10-12 TD's.
     
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  13. rafael

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    Don't disagree with anything you said here. The issue is that if I were Matthews, I'd want to leave due to my lack of opportunities. I'd want the opportunity to be the top guy and get 1200 yards and 10-12 TDs. I would doubt I'd ever have that chance here. Miami would have to over pay substantially to keep me.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the nfl these days is about getting paid, I'm sure he'll go to the highest bidder..there's no loyalty on the table..I don't blame him if he leaves for more money.
     
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  15. jdang307

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    While true, the thing about the Patriots is you never know how a WR is going to do up there because we don't have firsthand experience of their football IQ. Belichick's system is ridiculously complex.
     
  16. rafael

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    I'm saying that if the money was equal I'd leave. If the money was slightly less in a better situation I'd likely leave. I just wouldn't see Miami as a very good situation for me professionally speaking.
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    why do you say that with all new coaches?
     
  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    B/c all new coaches means is words and promises. I'm sure he heard the same thing last time. The reality of the situation is that he'll be behind a pro bowl player and a 1st round pick who'll be given every opportunity first. If he went to a NE or a Seattle he'd have a legit shot at being the #1 there and he'd have a lot better odds of winning a championship. Why would he stay here? For more promises and a better tax situation for 8 games?
     
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  19. jdang307

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    He's sitting behind Landry and Parker.
     
  20. Shane Falco

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    I don't see anything special in Matthews.
     
  21. invid

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    Marvin Jones was selected in the 5th round. If you're drafting right then a receiving corps can be rounded out without using a higher pick. This is, of course, if Matthews doesn't resign.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    he would be the third option in new england behind eddleman and gronk, he'll have all new coaches wherever he goes...Juice is a pure slot...we need him on the other side of parker..dude can house a slant at any time because of his strength, body, hands and speed..I think we should kiss a lil *** here.
     
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  23. sandcastle

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    Rishard Matthews best games were against soft coverages. He's better suited to play with a dominant #1 WR that defenses try to blanket. The Giants may be a good team for him with OBJ and Manning's history of throwing lots of intermediate passes.

    It may be a win-win to lose Rishard as Matt Hazel may be a better fit. His college highlights show good ball adjustment, which may make him more similar to the team's top 3 WRs. As the back-up, he may have the mindset to run the routes as intended, be prepared to enter game for limited snaps, and targeted as the 3rd or 4th option. As for Kenny Stills, hopefully he has more room for improvement. Perhaps, the last game of the year shown Tannehill at his finest, while Stills was at his worst. With a full off-season and his friendship with Landry, I think the misplays in the Patriot game will turn into successful plays.

    Freeing up WR spot and snaps, I think a player like Tyler Murphy could emerge. He seems to have a down and distance mindset to use his elusiveness effectively. Additionally, spending the money on Lamar Miller instead of Rishard Matthews could free up Jay Ajayi to have larger role in the passing game. Emptying the backfield with 2-3 vertical threats from WR/TE position could lead to significant YAC opportunities for Ajayi.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    I just wanna sign the guy to a contract that reflects what a #2 or 3 gets...I think he's good enough to be in the rotation, if he gets more then he's gone, we'll move on, my whole objection has been for those that think stills can just easily slip in there at 3 and were good...I worry if thats the case..
     
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    I appreciate the toughness that Matthews brings, especially with the lost of Charles Clay. Stills has huge question marks regarding his toughness and ability to be effective on shorter routes. The difference in choosing between players is to not pay 2nd or 3rd WR money this year. Matthews has not demonstrated to be a well-rounded 2nd or 3rd WR, while Stills may evolve into one.

    Another dilemma with keeping Matthews is if the offense would be better if his role and targets was increased to match his new salary. Or would offense be better if his signing bonus money was allocated to pay the final year on Jordan Cameron or Greg Jennings contract. I don't see Matthews' potential production significantly greater than Stills and Cameron, while Jennings is likely a better depth player. Therefore, why make a multi-year commitment to Matthews while the players under contract offer greater flexibility for the offensive scheme as well as the salary cap.
     
  26. sandcastle

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    It looks as if I was wrong. If they are trying to woo Matthews back, does it mean that another WR will lose snaps and perhaps moved to another team?


     
  27. dgfred

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    Maybe a perfect 4 man WR corps... Landry, Parker, Stills and Mathews and throw in Hazel. Not bad. Now, what about TE?
     
  28. Finster

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    How can you say these things? Matthews, significantly was better than both those guys last year, and he only played 11 games, 10 really, because he got hurt early in his last game, and when he played he was the #1 WR, getting #1 attention, and Still was on his way to a 1000yds and 6-7 TDs.

    Matthews was the best WR on the team when he got injured, not a well rounded 2 or 3?, No, he was a solid 1 or 2, and never did get to play across from Parker, which would make them both more dangerous.

    Not sure what you have against Matthews, but those statements are way off imo.
     
  29. sandcastle

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    I was wrong. The new coaching staff must have initiated the contract talks as there was never any indications that team was trying to keep him.

    My issue with Matthews is that he never seemed to match the offense; and his best routes are a better fit with a team that throws more intermediate passes. I appreciate his toughness, but I thought the team was better off using his salary on retaining other players and finding similar skills in the draft. Within hindsight, Matthews should have been used as the Jets incorporated Quincy Enunwa. They seem to run special plays versus Philbin's strategy to have interchangeable WRs. And applying this logic, it seemed the team would go young and inexpensive to find a explosive, YAC receiver.

    As for foresight, I don't have any but I'm intrigued by what Gase might be planning. My assumption is that if Matthews is re-signed, his role is increased while others are decreased.
     

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